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http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/ey...spygate-scandalEric Mangini regrets outing Patriots and Bill Belichick in Spygate scandal By Ryan Wilson May 01, 2012 In light of recent "Wait, why on Earth would he say that out loud?!" comments from Ravens head coach John Harbaugh singling out the Patriots' championships as "stained" due to Spygate, the man responsible for New England's fall from grace in 2007 spoke Tuesday about his part in all of it. The man in question: Eric Mangini, then-Jets head coach in '07 who later went on to coach the Browns before becoming an NFL analyst with ESPN. During an appearance on NFL Live, Mangini admitted that if he could get his hands on a time machine, he never would've informed NFL security that the Patriots were taping the Jets' signals during the Week 1 game of the 2007 season. “If there is a decision I could take back it's easily that decision,” Mangini said (via PFT.com). “Never in a million years would I have wanted it to go this way. It's disappointing whenever it comes up.” Before landing the Jets' gig, Mangini was the Patriots' defensive coordinator. Despite turning in his former boss, or Harbaugh's claim of a "stained" championship, Mangini believes New England's accomplishments are legit. “It's regret, it's disappointment, it's all of those things,” Mangini said of the whole he views Spygate saga more than four years later. “Because I know what it took to win those Super Bowls and I have so much respect for the people that were involved there. I'm disappointed that this is what it's translated into.” As PFT.com's Michael David Smith points out, Magini's disappointment may stem from the perception that he has loose lips, which can be problematic in a profession built on loyalty and, ultimately, keeping your mouth shut. It's not the first time Mangini has apologized publicly. Seven months ago in a radio interview he talked about Spygate and his relationship with Belichick, the man who played a big role in his coaching career. "It's one of those things where the end result wasn't the goal," Mangini said at the time of the scandal. "I owe so much to Bill, I appreciate what he's done for me and my intention was never to hurt him or the [Patriots] organization, the Kraft family. Yeah, there's a lot of regrets, I didn't want to hurt him or the Patriots by any stretch." In related news: Patriots face the Ravens in Week 3 of the 2012 NFL season. That should be fun.
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I'm sure he does regret it since I'm guessing most HCs don't want a guy who ratted on his mentor... be tough to trust him.
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And that's unfortunate, because what Belichick did was cheating, and it was absolutely against the rules. He deserved to be punished for what he did.
Does anyone not think that having videotape of his opponents' practices didn't help him prepare for what they were going to do in the games?
I think that what Mangini did was absolutely right, and I lost some respect for him saying that he wouldn't do it again.
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Sounds like someone wants to get back into coaching..................
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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...and you don't have any problem with the timing of it? Why didn't he reveal it WHILE they were doing it? Oh, right, because the loser slip streamed his "reputation" going with the cheat
What he did was the most two-faced, snake-like behaviour I can think of....1st profitting from the cheat and then ratting on it, when he didn't profit from it anymore, what a weasel....applaud for what he did? Yeah right....he deserves to be despised by the whole league because what and how he did what he did was even worse than Belly
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Yeah, there is a problem with the timing as well.
The whole situation stinks, but I do lose some respect for someone who (eventually) does the right thing, but then regrets having done so.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, how did mangini know it was happening if he wasn't at one time or another involved in the coverup.
He didn't speak out while in the employ of the patriots.. which I understand, but he was a well thoughs of assistent.. he could have quit and landed another job.
In fact, when Romeo came here, he was offered the job of DC for the Browns and elected to pass on that job and stay with the Pats as thier DC. and continue to reap the benefits of knowing what the other team was up to.
For me, he's as tainted as Belichick... and it's gotta make you wander about Romeo as well....
He didn't have to sit still for it if he didn't want to.. he had options..
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I agree with you.... Mangini should have spoken up... but he wanted until it benefited the team he was coaching...
I liked Mangnini when he was here, but after reading how he treated some of the players (mainly Colt) i lost a little respect for him.. .then listening to him talk about the Browns now that he's not coaching just gets under my skin.
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There are a whole segment of coaches who build up players they think are mentally weak by first tearing them down.
Bill Parcells was famous for doing so, even to the extent of calling Terry Glenn "She" in a press conference. I'm certain that it wasn't the worst thing he ever called a player.
I would bet money that Bill Belichick has torn down and rebuilt a few players in his time. Maybe he doesn't do it publicly, but with all of the headcases and nutjobs that he manages to get pulled into line, you know he isn't being the "players' coach".
I bet that Tom Coughlin has torn down a player or 4 in his time in New York. Player hated him ..... well, until they started winning Super Bowls anyway.
Whatever Mangini and/or Daboll did to McCoy is probably pretty common throughout the league. That I would bet money on.
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There are a whole segment of coaches who build up players they think are mentally weak by first tearing them down.
are you suggesting in any way shape of form that Colt McCoy mentally weak and needed tearing down?
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Thats the way I read YTown's comment as well.
I believe the truth is Mangini didn't want McCoy and chose to act like a jackass about. I mean let's be real here .... Yeah there are coaching techniques you can use to get the most out of people ....but there would have been no reason to apply those to a rookie 3rd string QB .......but there is a right and wrong way to treat people and Mangini and his idiot buddy Daboll acted like people should be thanking them to just be on the team.
Mangini's head got so big once he became HC of the JETS he could have floated away. Hell, even his apology is half ass ..."mis translated..." ....haha...yeah ok.
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There are a whole segment of coaches who build up players they think are mentally weak by first tearing them down.
are you suggesting in any way shape of form that Colt McCoy mentally weak and needed tearing down?
There were reports that Daboll (especially) saw McCoy as a kid who had a strong sense of entitlement, especially given the way that Holmgren was personally involved in his selection, and all but named him the future starter at the time. That was, supposedly, the whole reason that he was so hard on him.
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I have a hard time believing that they would want to mess with a quarterbacks confidence purposely.
But it wouldn't surprise me if those 2 boneheads did intentionally do it.
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There were reports that Daboll (especially) saw McCoy as a kid who had a strong sense of entitlement, especially given the way that Holmgren was personally involved in his selection, and all but named him the future starter at the time. That was, supposedly, the whole reason that he was so hard on him.
I'd like to see these reports where Holmgren "all but named Colt the future starter"......especially when we know that Colt wasn't supposed to see the field his rookie year.
I'll be waiting for your "reports" that Colt felt he was "entitled".
Seriously - did Colt do something to you or your family? Why do you hate him so much?
Anyway - I look forward to hearing these "reports" that Colt felt "entitled". I want to see them.
Oh, did you hear that the Browns drafted your saviour? Well, your second saviou.......wait, no, your THIRD "saviour"? The Browns drafted Weeden - the guy you have told us will fix everything. Yet you're still harping about Colt? Please.
Anyway - I'd love to see these "reports" about colt feeling "entitled". Thanks.
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Again, we don't know what happened exactly .... and this is total and complete supposition here ......
But, what it McCoy walked into Browns camp, after the big fuss that had been made about him by Holmgren ...... and decided that he was going to be the man. Whet if he decided that he knew it all already, and further had decided that he was entitled to be the starter.
We have all heard stories of players with attitudes. Hell, many have been on the Browns over the years.
In a situation like that ..... or in a situation where he was acting like he should be the starter because he was somehow better than everyone else from day 1 ... then I could see the need to break a guy down and make him more compliant to what the coaches are teaching.
I look at the results in that 1st year, and the results in his 2nd year, in an offense that suited him, supposedly to a t ........ and with a coaching staff prepared to give him the job from day 1, and I wonder if the break down/build up process wasn't the right way to go. Obviously in year 2 he was just handed the job, and he actually regressed in many ways as the year went by. Maybe he's a player who needs some "tough love", and needs to be kept on his toes every single day. That is also supposition on my part ...... but it is somewhat supported by the events as they occurred. (and yes, I know that there were other extenuating circumstances as well)
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There are a whole segment of coaches who build up players they think are mentally weak by first tearing them down.
are you suggesting in any way shape of form that Colt McCoy mentally weak and needed tearing down?
There were reports that Daboll (especially) saw McCoy as a kid who had a strong sense of entitlement, especially given the way that Holmgren was personally involved in his selection, and all but named him the future starter at the time. That was, supposedly, the whole reason that he was so hard on him.
I'm not doubting you Ytown, but I'm afraid the only things I remember hearing is everything to the opposite of that about Colt McCoy.. Great Team guy, Leader, take charge, hard working, good head on his shoulders, smart...
If Mangini was treating him like dirt, there is no apparent reason for it that I can see.
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Well, that's what the reports were ..... true or not, Daboll saw McCoy as a kid who needed to be molded .......
Whether that's the case or not will be left to history to judge, I guess.
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Yeah but what would Daboll know?
We finally got rid of him, and everyone who hated him was right in the fact that he would never get another job in the NFL...
Hint: He go two...
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You "suppose" a lot. In fact, a lot more than a lot!
Where is your proof that Colt "expected" anything? I'll answer for you: he didn't.
Look dude, you got your wish - we drafted a qb in the first round. He'd better be good.
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There were articles about the Daboll/McCoy relationship at the time this all became public. They outlined some of the reasons Daboll saw as creating a situation where he thought that he had to do what he did.
There were also things alluded to in the articles.
Now go hug your McCoy poster, and have a nice night.
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You are pathetic! SHOW the articles that back you up.
Me and a colt poster? Idiotic. I am Browns fan. When I know THE problem is not one person, but some idiot blames it on one person, I will call them out. You're getting called out - and your only response is some garbage about some poster............dude, really.
Your posts are here for everyone to see.
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Well, that's what the reports were ..... true or not, Daboll saw McCoy as a kid who needed to be molded .......
Whether that's the case or not will be left to history to judge, I guess.
Again, I'm not interested in getting into a peeing contest with ya. But I really don't remember one thing about McCoy that wasn't flattering.. When I say that, I don't mean physical tools, I'm talking about where his head was at the time.
I remember reading article after article about how humble this kid was. How hard he worked, how much he studied etc etc.
Again, I get it that some folks just don't like the tools he brings to the field. we can debate the "surrond him with talent argument till the cows come home, but it won't prove anything" But questioning just about anything else about the kid seems way over the top to me.
so honestly, all of this stuff you are talking about and these articles you mention is really coming as quite the surprise to me.
I mean, I do remember some stuff coming out about how McCoy was treated by mangini in his first year and how he was pretty much a second class citizen and all, but that's it. Nothing about WHY he was treated that way.
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Things were brought up about the way he was treated in High School (with his father as coach), and then at Texas with "Mack" as his head coach. The offense at Texas was "Colt's" offense. He really never had to learn anything but his own way of doing things.
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Things were brought up about the way he was treated in High School (with his father as coach), and then at Texas with "Mack" as his head coach. The offense at Texas was "Colt's" offense. He really never had to learn anything but his own way of doing things.
Ok,, this is starting to sound a bit made up.. sorry man..
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I hope you didn't post that article as a way to support your argument that McCoy might have deserved the treatment he got from Dumb and Dumber ........because if so, you have a ton of egg on your face.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Says Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, the team’s first-round draft pick in 2009: “When I got here as a rookie, I got hazed much worse by the coaching staff than I did by any player.”
So it's not like they singled out Colt, and only acted that way towards him. They did it to ALL ROOKIES.
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Rather than being embraced as a potential quarterback of the future, McCoy was treated very much like an afterthought with no hope of sniffing the field. He got no reps in practice, instead directing the scout team, as most third-stringers do, against the defensive starters.
Didn't Holmgren, the guy who pushed for Colt, say something to the effect, that Colt WOULD NOT PLAY in 2010?
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“There came a point where I just really had to find … me … who I wanted to be. It really gave me an opportunity to search, to find that, to decide what I want to stand up for. Do I even want to do this? Do I want to put up with that? I decided, when my time comes to play, I’ll be ready.”
What a horrible thing.
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“My problem is maybe I took it too personal,” he says. “I had my dad as a coach [in high school], and Mack Brown as my coach [at Texas] – the last two years it was my offense. Then I come here and I’m thinking, ‘We’re all professionals here.’ It was [confusing]. I get the feeling that he didn't quite comprehend that he was the 3rd QB ..... on the scout team ..... and/or maybe even that he couldn't do what he wanted. None of us were there, so it's all supposition on all of our parts. I'm not saying that the way he was treated was "right" ....... but I bet that a lot of other guys have been treated the same way, or worse. The NFL isn't for the timid. Like it or not, the guy behind this, Brian Daboll, was hired by Miami after Mangini was fired here ..... then he went to KC after he was let go in Miami. He improved the Miami offense dramatically, in yards and in scoring in his single year there. (cue one of the stalkers saying that going from 273 points scored (30th in the NFL) to 329 (20th in the NFL) is nothing at all) There are also reports that Daboll was sought by more teams than just KC. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/QA-with-Brian-Daboll/097903ed-f840-40fa-9aba-ddb5f861fe16Anyway .... if the guy was so vile and despicable, and if what he did was so far out of the ordinary, I doubt that there wouldn be anyone interested in him. Yet, somehow he manages to find jobs ... not to mention a job with a "good guy" like Romeo Crennel.
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Your post and the quotes you highlighted 100% proved jack squat.
If you are crawling into bed with YTown, please provide the evidence that Dumb and Dumber treated McCoy the way they did because he acted entitled.
YTown eluded to the fact that McCoy maybe came in as a spoiled brat and that's why the human cabbage patch kid treated him the way he did.
You seem like a bright guy. Please provide THAT evidence from the article that was posted.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Alll you are doing is digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole that you shoudn't have dug to begin with.
My advice to you would be to just stop now before it gets worse.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Your post and the quotes you highlighted 100% proved jack squat.
If you are crawling into bed with YTown, please provide the evidence that Dumb and Dumber treated McCoy the way they did because he acted entitled.
YTown eluded to the fact that McCoy maybe came in as a spoiled brat and that's why the human cabbage patch kid treated him the way he did.
You seem like a bright guy. Please provide THAT evidence from the article that was posted.
Or I read an article on Daboll and McCoy, and put parts of it that I thought were interesting...
Witch Hunt Much..?
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Here's the original article that started it all.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411
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Ahh, I see why you think as you do.. I guess it depends on how you take certain comments..
I still don't see a reason for them to have treated him in that fashion, but if you do,, then it's pure opinion.. we don't agree I guess
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As I said far earlier in this thread ..... just pure supposition on my part .......
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Like it or not, the guy behind this, Brian Daboll, was hired by Miami after Mangini was fired here ..... then he went to KC after he was let go in Miami. He improved the Miami offense dramatically, in yards and in scoring in his single year there. (cue one of the stalkers saying that going from 273 points scored (30th in the NFL) to 329 (20th in the NFL) is nothing at all)
Seriously ... why do you do this?
This all started when you said that Daboll was doing a 'great job' in Miami. Clearly, he didn't. His offense's performance was below average in just about every single statistical category.
It's not 'stalking' to point this out. I can imagine that if I were to continually say something like Colt McCoy did a 'great job' as the Browns QB, you would be there to refute it every step of the way.
I mean, do you honestly believe that gaining 5.7 more yards per game is 'dramatic improvement'?
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
it is pretty good.. I'd be pretty excited about that kinda of upswing here.. most of us would I would guess..
But in the end, isn't it always wins and losses.. isn't the rest of it pretty meaningless?
Take the Giants last year., they ended up with a record. If the games they lost, had they lost them by 30 points per game, and only won the games they won by 1 to 5 points,, the ratios and stats would look horrible. (it didn't happen so they didn't look horrible) but had it, would any of it mattered as long as in the end, they won the SB?
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
If he did so good in Miami - why was he let go?
I don't know - did Miami have a head coaching change?
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
If he did so good in Miami - why was he let go?
I don't know - did Miami have a head coaching change?
I thought Miami did a complete overhaul of the staff.. Let me check...
Yups, that what it was..,
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
3.5 more points per game. What an accomplishment. 
It really is mind-boggling that you think that 5.7 more yards per game and 3.5 more points per game is a 'great job', a 'dramatic improvement' and 'quite a solid accomplishment'.
If the Browns offense puts up 17.1 points per game and 294.5 yards per game this season, are you going to talk about what a great job Pat Shurmur is doing?
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I think that going from 30th in scoring to 20th in scoring in one year is quite a solid accomplishment.
3.5 more points per game. What an accomplishment.
It really is mind-boggling that you think that 5.7 more yards per game and 3.5 more points per game is a 'great job', a 'dramatic improvement' and 'quite a solid accomplishment'.
If the Browns offense puts up 17.1 points per game and 294.5 yards per game this season, are you going to talk about what a great job Pat Shurmur is doing?
That's not what he said,, he said they went from 30th in the league to 20th.. that's a movement of 10 places.. damn good improvement league wide.
If anything, your numbers show that the difference between 30th and 20th, isn't all that big in terms of actual production.
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