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I think Beal will be the pick...had to pass really.


What we do at #24, who knows??

My ONLY concern with Lamb is muscle.

If we draft Drummond, I'm going to vomit.

#2 for #4 and #24?

I miss college basketball

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He has no reason to look that sad.

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Is having neurofibromatosis enough reason? Everything I have ever seen or read about him he seems like a pretty smart 15 year old KID who lives with a terrible disease and has been afforded the opportunity to raise awareness of the disease. Its unfortunate a child makes you that angry, or at least thats how the post comes off.

I like Lamb a lot. I think Robinson wouldn't be a bad choice at 4 either.

I just hope Chris Grant can turn this into something. I'm not expecting a superstar at 24, but maybe just a quality rotation guy.

I like TT and I still think it was a good pick, but it may be a few years on him, and this time at #4 we have to do better.

I would not take Drummond at 4. We already have a guy who is similar, but who has shown much better effort on the court in Thompson.

I stay at 4, and take whoever is left, and highest rated between Beal, Kidd-Gilcrest, Robinson or Barnes.

Since we desperately need scoring, and an outside touch, I would probably go with Beal or Barnes.

I would maybe even look for another perimeter shooter at 24 as well. Irving is going to be able to collapse the defense, and that can turn solid outside shooters into deadly shooters. If a solid player with size is there, then fine ...... but I think that we're going to find more shooters late in the first round of this draft.

I also have this feeling that the Cavaliers are going to find a way to grab a 3rd 1st rounder. No real reason why ..... just this hunch.

I agree with you, assuming Beal and MKG got top 3, Lamb is first on my board.

It's interesting.. but invariably some spaniard or eastern european gets picked real high... so we can hope that somebody takes Sergey Getyournutsoff at 3 and somebody better falls to us.

you know I am with you on Jeremy Lamb. have loved him all year long.
just pointing out it's a big concern and we need to acknowledge it.

if we get him, i am going to be happy

Thompson and Drummond might be similar in that they're both unpolished, athletic products, but there's no way you go in with Thompson as your 5 for the future. He stands only about 6'8" and his build is most like a guy like Josh Smith's. Drummond's a true 6'10, at least, and has good weight to him. I'm not totally enamored with the guy, either, but you have to consider what could be a top third big and defensive center piece. You don't throw out the possibility of him because of TT is my biggest issue with that.

It's obvious we need the most help on the wing. UConn has two lottery picks in this draft and had a terrible year, so there's big questions about their desire. Outside of Lamb's weight, the only other questions you could ask about him are why didn't he get to the rim/FF line more often and why does he at times have such bad shot selection. I give him a pass on shot selection because Napier and Boatright wanted to do the Iso-chuck thing themselves, so it's hard to really stay in the flow of games when you have that to worry about. It's somethin' teams are gonna look hard into in the pre-draft process: why did that Uconn team underachieve with the talent on the floor?

Barnes scares me. He came back for his soph. season, hardly improved, isn't very explosive, and is just not that good of a shooter. Yeah, he's got the NBA-ready body and physically will be most ready to adjust to the game and guard other SFs, but he doesn't do much on an elite level and looks like a clunky ball-handler outside of a couple dribbles.

It's pretty clear the best thing for us would be to have Beal somehow fall to #4, but what the hell do we do when he doesn't? If he's the BPA, our wishful thinking of someone biting the bullet on Drummond or Robinson isn't happening. And I don't think we can think too much about Robinson because we seem a bit overstocked at the 4 spot...

If I have to choose now, it's Lamb or Drummond (if we think there's a decent chance of him actually reaching that ceiling or close to it). Wildcards are PJII (who I think might be able to play the 3) and Barnes.

I know, but it's not as funny that way

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Barnes scares me. He came back for his soph. season, hardly improved, isn't very explosive, and is just not that good of a shooter. Yeah, he's got the NBA-ready body and physically will be most ready to adjust to the game and guard other SFs, but he doesn't do much on an elite level and looks like a clunky ball-handler outside of a couple dribbles.

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Amen to that. Barnes is more of a spot up shooter than anything else.. he's good in transition but in a half court set he's not very good at getting to the rim or creating his own shot. He's good for a couple highlight plays a game but then he disappears for long periods of time. And he just never seemed to have that fire, that something extra that great players have.. I think his future in the NBA is that of a good, but not great, perimeter wing player...

Yahoo Sports put up some guy's mock for the draft and they have us getting Beal and Melo with 4 and 24.

I'll sign up for that right now.

The big shock in this guy's draft is that he has the Bobcats taking Robinson over MKG, and then Washington picking up MKG, leaving us Beal.

Per NBA.com


Mock Draft 1.0: Future looking bright for Hornets

Posted May 31 2012 12:02AM
We have a winner: New Orleans. And not just Wednesday night in the lottery. That was a runaway victory for sure, drawing the No. 1 pick in the complicated process and the right to draft Kentucky's Anthony Davis on June 28 in a very uncomplicated decision, but it goes deeper.

Saints owner Tom Benson bought the Hornets, ensuring the team would remain in the Big Easy after years of uncertainty, a major moment for the franchise and the city. Then the Hornets win the lottery for the best prospect in years, and ditto. Just that fast, it must feel like a new day there.

Shrimp etouffee all around, along with the first mock draft that factors in team needs. This will change as top prospects set limited workout schedules and the other draft hopefuls go through larger sessions in Minneapolis, Chicago and Treviso, Italy, for the adidas Eurocamp for international scouting. For now, let the good times roll.
1 New Orleans Hornets | Anthony Davis | PF | Kentucky

Davis is nothing short of the perfect piece for the rebuilding: superstar-level talent, high energy, hard worker, excellent character.


2 Charlotte Bobcats | Thomas Robinson | PF | Kansas

The Bobcats need to get tougher. Robinson is an inside presence who will rebound and defend with strength and athleticism.


3 Washington Wizards | Bradley Beal | SG | Florida

If Robinson is off the board and the best chance to address the need for size is gone, the Wizards fill another hole by adding a dependable shooter.


4 Cleveland Cavaliers | Michael Kidd-Gilchrist | SF | Kentucky

Versatile defender, nonstop worker, athletic and a position need for the Cavs. A very good fit with a point guard, Kyrie Irving, who will deliver the ball.


5 Sacramento Kings | Harrison Barnes | SF | N. Carolina

The Kings need anyone who can hit a shot and a small forward. That's Barnes, who will be able to score from the perimeter but will cost on defense.


6 Portland Trail Blazers | Damian Lillard | PG | Weber State

The Blazers need a center and Andre Drummond is available. But that move is too risky and Lillard is a scoring point who fits.


7 Golden State Warriors | Jared Sullinger | PF | Ohio State

David Lee is locked in at power forward in Oakland, but better rebounding and getting tougher is a Warriors priority. Sullinger checks both boxes.


8 Toronto Raptors | Jeremy Lamb | SG | Connecticut

The Raptors could go point guard, a position need, with Kendall Marshall, but they will have big cap space in the summer and also need scoring.


9 Detroit Pistons | Perry Jones III | SF | Baylor

A risk pick -- very skilled and unselfish but consistently left NBA teams frustrated after scouting missions because he does not play hard all the time.


10 New Orleans Hornets | Andre Drummond | C | Connecticut

The risk pick. Drummond has a package of talent, NBA size after one college season and athleticism that should put him in the top three. But no motor.


11 Portland Trail Blazers | Austin Rivers | SG | Duke

Rivers could become a serious scorer and an ideal backcourt partner because he handles the ball and can play with pressure.


12 Milwaukee Bucks | Meyers Leonard | C | Illinois

The Bucks find Andrew Bogut's successor in an athletic 7-footer who needs to get stronger but has impressed several NBA teams.


13 Phoenix Suns | Kendall Marshall | PG | N. Carolina

Maybe Steve Nash leaves this summer, maybe he leaves in a couple years. Either way, Marshall is a great distributor and defensive liability. Sound like anyone you know?


14 Houston Rockets | Dion Waiters | SG | Syracuse

Waiters is a little small at 6-foot-4, but he is an aggressive scorer who will cause problems for defenses.


15 Philadelphia 76ers | John Henson | PF | N. Carolina

Henson should become a defensive presence, especially if he bulks up. Some executives even see defensive star.


16 Houston Rockets | Tyler Zeller| C | N. Carolina

His lack of strength is a concern, but Zeller has good offensive skills and could be a solid contributor for years.


17 Dallas Mavericks | Arnett Moultrie | PF | Mississippi St.

Not that power forward is a high priority for the Mavericks, but Moultrie scores inside and out and has good mobility for a big man.


18 Minnesota Timberwolves | Terrence Jones | SF | Kentucky

Jones, considered a possibility to go high in the lottery last season, has a lot of talent hidden in there somewhere. It's a reasonable risk this late.


19 Orlando Magic | Tony Wroten | SG | Washington

One of the guys who could really climb during workouts, especially with his potential to be a combo guard.


20 Denver Nuggets | Jeffery Taylor | SF | Vanderbilt

The Nuggets really want to add some muscle. With no real options this late, they go to work on needed improvements for the defense.


21 Boston Celtics | Royce White | SF | Iowa State

It's difficult to know what direction the Celtics will go -? keep the roster together for another year or rebuild. But White's versatility is very attractive.


22 Boston Celtics | Andrew Nicholson | PF | St. Bonaventure

Nicholson is experienced and projects as a dependable player who can score from inside or out.


23 Atlanta Hawks | Moe Harkless | F | St. John's

The Big East Rookie of the Year scores and is a very good rebounder for his position.


24 Cleveland Cavaliers | John Jenkins | SG | Vanderbilt

Jenkins is one of the best shooters available and has three-point range. The Cavaliers need dependability with any range.


25 Memphis Grizzlies | Terrence Ross | SG | Washington

The emerging sophomore can play either wing, versatility that would be a great asset in being able to play behind Rudy Gay or Tony Allen.


26 Indiana Pacers | Quincy Miller | SF | Baylor

Now that the Pacers have developed something that will last, they can afford an investment pick. Miller has serious talent, but is inexperienced and struggled in 2011-12 coming off knee surgery.


27 Miami Heat | Draymond Green | SF | Michigan St.

Versatile and experienced, he probably will not be able to play his college position of power forward.


28 Oklahoma City Thunder | Marquis Teague | PG | Kentucky

Jeff's younger brother is more great athlete than pure point guard, but a lot of scouts see improvement and believe he could learn grow into the job.


29 Chicago Bulls | Doron Lamb | SG | Kentucky

Lamb is a nice scorer who would fit in well in a bench role, perhaps one day as a third guard if he improves as a decision maker.


30 Golden State Warriors | Fab Melo | C | Syracuse

The Warriors, with Bogut starting and Jeremy Tyler a major project heading into his second season, can use a shot blocker and rebounder.


http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/05/30/mock-draft/index.html

MKG and Jenkins.

I'll take that.

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As DCDawg says, and to which I am in complete agreement with: His big problem is that he disappears for large segments of time.

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Harrison Barnes averaged about 17 pts 5 rbs and barely over 1 assist per game on the season last year.. when Kendall Marshall went down in the tournament, against Ohio and Kansas, he became a 13 and 5 guy with 3 assists and 4 or 5 turnovers... star point guard and assist man on the bench, need somebody to step up and exert themselves... and Carolina should be thankful that Tyler Zeller did or they wouldn't have gotten past Ohio.. because Barnes was a non-factor when his team needed him the most. Against Ohio he had 7 points in regulation... 7...

Would Charlotte take Robinson after Biyombo last year? Not to say Biyombo is a solution to their woes, or that they don't need talent everywhere, but I think they'd be better served taking MKG. Who's their SF? Corey Maggette?

He's a F/C for them. He did play a lot of C for them, and he could be a serviceable C, but I think that's a guy you eventually want to move over to PF.

They need just about everything, so I wouldn't rule Robinson out ... but they need scorers badly.

you can mask Bismack's complete lack of offense at the '5' much better than if he's at the '4'

they better be helping him bulk up to take over those duties and planning on drafting (or trading for) an offensive PF to pair with him. T.Robinson really does fit the bill (if he can do what he did at Kansas in the NBA).

I kind of look at the 4 and 5 positions as a combination. You need scoring but it doesn't have to be from both. One needs to be a low post scorer. One needs to be a top notch rebounder. One needs to be a tough in the paint defender.

Rodman was a great rebounder but had trouble putting the ball in the hoop even if he was the only guy on the court. Had the Bulls had a center that was also a scoring liability then they would not have won half the championships that they did.

Obviously if both players are good at something that is better but between the 2 you need a certain amount of production in each area. You can cover up a deficiency at one position with the other but if both have the same holes you will struggle.

that's a good way of looking at it.

Found a great website with a compilation of mock drafts and how the top 6 picks might go:

http://dcprosportsreport.com/mocks/NBAMocks.htm

LOTS of mocks have both Beal or Gilchrist slipping to us at #4.

I meant let's get one really good player. Then every time down the court we give him the ball on the wing and have the other 4 guys go stand on the other side so our star can go one on one.