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Somebody has the Hornets taking Drummond #1 overall..


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Please let this be!

Maybe we can trade up to #2 then.


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Well ... it was from a mock back in November. I'd put a little more stock into the ones that have been updated since May.

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Well ... it was from a mock back in November. I'd put a little more stock into the ones that have been updated since May.




Plus the fact that he has Sullinger going to the Cavs AND the Blazers.


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Well ... it was from a mock back in November. I'd put a little more stock into the ones that have been updated since May.




Plus the fact that he has Sullinger going to the Cavs AND the Blazers.




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1. Go strong to move up for MKG, or...
2. Take Barnes and offer 24 and one or both of our 2nds to move up for Lamp.

IMO those are two nice additions to this team.

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if you meant Jeremy Lamb there, then I cannot forsee #24+2nd rounders being enough to move up for him.


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if you meant Jeremy Lamb there, then I cannot forsee #24+2nd rounders being enough to move up for him.




Agreed ... Lamb is probably going top 10ish, and I don't see anybody there that would take a late first round and some second rounders for that.

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There's more to PJ3 than some realize
Family's struggles, high expectations weigh on Baylor's star forward.
Originally Published: March 1, 2012
By Jason King | ESPN.com

WACO, Texas -- He could be a multimillionaire in four months, but still, Perry Jones III can't help himself. Each time he walks off the court, the Baylor forward thinks the same thing.

I wonder what they'll say this time.

A year ago, on a message board, Jones said someone called him the biggest underachiever in college basketball.

A national sports columnist recently wrote that drafting the 6-foot-11 sophomore would "cost an NBA general manager his job."

When Jones jogged through the tunnel at Kansas last month, a middle-aged man screamed at him in the concourse, calling him a "second-rounder" and a "[wussy]." Sensing a confrontation, teammate Quincy Acy pushed Jones back and walked toward the fan, who sprinted away.

Basketball isn't always easy when you're tagged as a one-and-done player before puberty.

"My heart goes out to him," Baylor coach Scott Drew said. "He gets judged on his potential instead of where he is now. If he wanted to be judged like an NBA player, he'd be in the NBA."

Instead, at least for a few more months, Jones remains in Waco. The 20-year-old cartoon fanatic who loves to play paintball returned for his sophomore season because he realized he lacked maturity. Before turning pro, Jones said he "wanted to become a man."

The past month has certainly been a test.

Jones is averaging 13.2 points and 7.3 rebounds for the 25-5 Bears. But he's scored just 5.3 points per game and shot 27 percent from the field in Baylor's past four losses, three of which came against top-10 teams.

Jones tries to stay upbeat, but it's difficult. When Baylor loses, he said the criticism "goes through the roof" on Twitter -- the bathroom walls of the Internet. "I can't get on there without hearing about how soft I am," Jones said.

Two weeks ago, when Jones tweeted about his excitement over earning a B on an English paper, a "fan" responded that he should quit worrying about his grades and get back in the gym.

Less than a year removed from braces and acne medicine, Jones shakes his head. Last season he said he would've responded to such a comment.

"But now I'm more mature," Jones said. "I realize I don't even know who these people are. "And they definitely don't know anything about me."

That's what frustrates Jones' inner circle. Everyone thinks they know PJ3, as he's called by his friends, but the perceptions are far from true. The people who believe he was getting money from Baylor during high school might feel differently if they knew Jones was homeless -- bouncing from one $95-a-week hotel room to another -- throughout much of his final prep season.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones' 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition -- she may need a transplant -- 90 minutes away near Dallas.

And anyone who questions Jones' mettle obviously forgets that he passed up an opportunity to be a top-5 NBA draft pick last summer because he didn't feel he was ready. If it isn't tough to know who you are and turn down millions, what is?

Perry Jones is soft, they say? His story suggests he's anything but.

Jones begins his tale and then stops.

"This is stuff," he says, "that I've never told anyone before."

Tipoff for Baylor's Big 12 tournament game against Oklahoma last spring was less than two hours away. As Terri Jones and her husband, Perry Sr., dressed in their hotel room in downtown Kansas City, Mo., a message scrolled across the bottom of the television screen. "Baylor forward Perry Jones III has been suspended for the remainder of the season for accepting impermissible benefits," it read.

Their stomachs turned.

Even though he had done nothing wrong, the Jones' knew their son's image could be tarnished. Terri Jones remained in her room that evening, fearful that the stress would cause problems with her already fragile heart.

When she saw Perry a week later, he had lost eight pounds. "He couldn't eat," Terri said. "He was just so hurt. All these people had this negative impression of him, but they didn't know what really happened."

The last thing anyone had ever questioned about Jones was his character. Whether it was in the classroom, on the basketball court or at home in the family living room, Jones had always been an example-setter. He was an honor roll student and, when he wasn't in gym working to become a McDonald's All-American, Jones was usually helping raise his three younger brothers.

Terri still remembers sitting in her car for 30 minutes after the school bell one day, wondering why her sixth-grade son was late. When Jones finally emerged through the doors, he was wearing a "Peer Mediator" badge. Turned out two girls had gotten into a fight, and Jones had sat both of them down to explain there were better ways to settle their problems. "He was so proud," Terri said, smiling.

Jones credits his parents for his kind-hearted nature.

Perry Sr. worked long hours constructing and selling wooden pallets during his son's childhood. Terri was a cafeteria manager at an elementary school during the day. At night, she worked at LensCrafters in the local mall. Both said they never had to worry about Perry when they weren't around.

"He was a shy kid, but a respectful kid," Perry Sr. said. "He never gave us any trouble."

Things began to change, however, during Jones' senior year at Duncanville (Texas) High School. His grades slipped from A's and B's to B's and C's, and he had trouble focusing on the basketball court. When his teammates asked if they could come over after practice to play video games or watch a movie, Jones told them no every time.

"I had no choice," Jones said. "We didn't have a home."

Perry Sr.'s pallet business was struggling, and he had trouble finding other work. Terri's income wasn't enough to pay the four-figure mortgage on their Duncanville house, much less the bills that came along with it. Jones remembers the electricity being shut off on multiple occasions. Brutal as the Texas summers can be, they're unbearable without air conditioning.

Eventually, each member of the Jones family packed a week's worth of clothes into a suitcase and placed the rest of their belongings in a storage shed.

For most of the school year, the Joneses rented cheap hotel rooms by the week. If they were lucky, there'd be two beds and a pull-out couch to accommodate six people. Instead of sharing a mattress with his brothers, there were a few times that Perry -- all 6 feet, 11 inches of him -- curled up and slept on the floor.

Jones had endured an identical situation during his eighth-grade year, when his family's home in Mesquite, Texas was foreclosed on, forcing the family into homelessness.

"I remember leaving one night to go to work one night during Perry's senior year," Terri said. "He and his brothers didn't have anything to eat, and they kept asking me for money so they could order a pizza while I was gone."

She wipes away a tear.

"I couldn't give them any," she said. "We had to save up for the rest of the week."

Most times, Jones said, dinner meant he and his brothers splitting a half-pack of hot dogs.

Jones said he kept the situation a secret from his teachers, coaches and teammates at Duncanville as well as the staff at Baylor, where Jones had committed as a ninth-grader.

"Some people may have known something was wrong," Jones said. "The last thing I was worried about was school. I was worried about where I was going to sleep at night. It was hard to do the things I wanted to do as a kid. The last thing on my mind was going to parties or movies. I felt like I needed to get home every day to make sure my family was OK."

At one point early in Jones' senior year, Terri Jones made a request that would ultimately result in her son's six-game suspension from Baylor. She asked Jones' AAU coach, Lawrence Johns, for three loans that would allow her to make mortgage payments so she could keep her family in its house and off the streets.

Terri Jones said the three payments -- which totaled $1,195 each -- were due on the fourth of each month. She said she repaid Johns once she received her paycheck on the 15th.

Jones, who began playing for Johns' AAU program in junior high school, knew nothing of the loans. But when the NCAA found out about them nearly two years later, during Jones' freshman season at Baylor, it was determined the family had received an impermissible benefit.

"I thought the NCAA was about helping kids," Johns said last week. "I'm still trying to figure out what made it so bad. She asked for the money, I loaned it to her and she paid me back. If that's truly breaking a rule then a lot of AAU coaches out there are going to be catching heat."

Instead, Jones was the one who felt the most backlash. Opposing fans and coaches had spent the previous two years questioning how Baylor -- which hasn't won a conference championship since 1945 -- was able to land a commitment from such a high-profile recruit. Now the assumption was that the school was orchestrating payments to Jones.

"If that were true, then we wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place," Perry Sr. said. "Even now, if they saw where we lived, they wouldn't say that."

Perry Sr. and his wife currently reside in a duplex in Lancaster, Texas, near Dallas. A year later, it's obvious the suspension still bothers Jones.

"Basically, I got suspended because we were struggling, and my mom didn't want us to live on the streets," he said. "We were down to nothing and someone helped us out. I always ask people, 'If you were in that situation, and you didn't have a place to stay, would you ask someone you'd known since the sixth grade for a little help?' Everyone knows they would."

Jones pauses.

"If my mom didn't take that money," he said, "I probably wouldn't even be at Baylor right now. I probably wouldn't be playing basketball at all. Because I was ready to do anything to make sure my mom and my family didn't have to live on the streets."

Jones is asked to clarify.

"I was ready to do anything to make sure we didn't have to live on the streets," he said.

His mom said -- and Jones confirmed -- that one Big 12 school offered him money. Another said it could arrange for jobs for family members and maybe even a new home. Through it all, Perry Jones -- still a teenager -- refused to budge, telling every recruiter who called that he would honor his commitment to Baylor. "There's got to be something we can do to get you to change your mind," Jones recalled one college coach saying.

Jones thought for a minute. "Can you get my mother a new heart?" he said.


It's been refreshing. It feels weird to actually have people care about me as a person. In the past all anyone has wanted to talk to me about is basketball.

-- Perry Jones III, on his time at Baylor
Talk to Jones long enough, and it's obvious that he views Terri as more than just a mother. She's also his best friend. That's why, in some ways, the last seven years have been so painful.

Terri has dilated cardiomyopathy, a condition in which the heart becomes weakened and enlarged and cannot pump blood efficiently. Complications include shortness of breath, swelling in the feet and ankles and extreme fatigue and weakness.

Jones was in junior high school when Terri's condition began to worsen. These days doctors rarely allow her to fly to Baylor's road games because of the stress and strain a flight could cause on her heart. She tries to attend all of Perry's games in Waco, although at times she's had to watch from the disabled seating section atop her medical scooter.

No matter how bad of a day she may be having, Terri has maintained a positive attitude. She's taking online sociology courses in hopes of becoming a social worker. Last fall, when fans lined up outside of the Ferrell Center for Midnight Madness, Terri parked her scooter right in the middle of them and waited for the doors to open like everyone else. She wanted no preferential treatment just because her son is Baylor's star player.

"I'm just praying for my healing," said Terri, an evangelist and lay minister who teaches Sunday school and has preached sermons at God's Grace Holiness Church. "I don't want to have to go through a heart transplant."

Upbeat as she has been, Terri's situation has caused problems. She lost her job in the school cafeteria last spring after missing too many days of work. And as hard as it was, she agreed to let two of Perry's three younger brothers live with their grandmother because she didn't have the energy to care for them on her own. The boys, ages 13 and 15, are not Terri's biological children, but she had raised them since they were infants.

"It's sad for her, depressing," Jones said. "You spend your whole life with someone, and then they're not there anymore."

Jones' relationship with his mother has strengthened during her illness. They text Bible verses back and forth to one another multiple times each week. And when the family goes to dinner after home games, Jones usually slips most of the stipend money he receives from Baylor into Terri's purse when she's not looking.

He said he looks forward to the day when he can help pay for the medical care Terri requires -- along with a new house with a working air-conditioning unit and a "refrigerator full of Dr Pepper."

"I'm sure he feels a lot of pressure," Terri said. "People have told him, 'If you go to the NBA, you can do such-and-such for your mom or your family. You can help their pain, and you won't ever have to worry about money again.'"

All indications were that Jones would've been a top-5 pick in the 2011 NBA draft had he chosen to leave Baylor after his freshman season. But when he hinted he was thinking about returning to school, Terri was quick to offer support.

"Don't worry about the money," she told him. "We can't miss what we've never had. It's your decision. If you want to stay, I'm behind you 100 percent."

Just as they did last spring, Jones' parents have tried to remain in the background when it comes to basketball. Perry Sr., a standout streetball player as a teenager growing up in Louisiana, texts words of encouragement and advice -- "take care of business," he usually writes -- before games. But for the most part they've left Jones' development up to his coaches.

And no coach has influenced Jones more than Johns.

The two met at Finish Line when Jones was in the sixth grade. He and his mother were shopping in the shoe store when Johns -- noticing Perry's height -- approached them and asked if Perry was interested in playing for his AAU team, the Timberwolves.

Within a year, Jones had become one of the team's biggest stars.

Johns said he made it his mission to help Jones improve as a player and also to help him "network." He made sure his team competed in all of the top AAU events around the country so that Jones could showcase himself in front of country's most prominent coaches.

Although he was a bit taken aback when Jones committed to Baylor at age 15, Johns said he spent the next four years backing his protege on his decision.

"We got so much [trash talk] from other schools about Baylor," Johns said. "It was horrible. For four years, everywhere we went, people said, 'Why are you going there? Don't do it. You're making a mistake.'

"I went to bat for Baylor so many times. It was sad. Everyone came to me because they thought I had the power to change the boy's mind."

Perry Sr. and Terri appreciated Johns' efforts at the time, especially after he lent them the money to pay their mortgage. But lately a rift has developed between them.

Jones' parents said they've been told that Johns was given money to ensure that Jones showed up at high-profile camps and events during high school. Perry Sr. said Johns viewed his son as a ticket to "early retirement." And even though Terri maintains a semblance of a relationship with Johns, she said she feels taken advantage of.

"A lot of people told us to watch out for [Johns]," Terri said. "They said he was slick. At that time we didn't know anything about AAU basketball. We trusted him and let our guards down. We weren't thinking."

The family became even more incensed last spring when Johns told a reporter that Jones was likely leaving school to enter the NBA draft. At the time, Jones hadn't even discussed the issue with his parents. At the adidas Nations Experience in Chicago, Johns even told someone that he was Jones' biological father and legal guardian.

When word got back to Perry Sr., he nearly lost his cool.

"He was telling everyone that they needed to go through him to reach Perry, that he was his daddy," Perry Sr. said. "What he didn't realize was that one of the people he said that to was my brother."

Johns admitted to referring to Jones as his son, but he said the remark was made with good intentions.

"I said it to keep people away from him," Johns said. "Everyone has always tried to come after this kid from every direction. I was trying to look out for Perry. I was trying to protect him."

Shortly after making one of the biggest decisions of his life, Perry Jones III played paintball. The whole Baylor basketball team did.

Armed with his own, personal gun he'd purchased a few months earlier, Jones darted about the course in Waco, ducking behind barriers and firing pellets at his teammates -- and coaches. "He put his hands up and pretended like he was hit, which means you're out of the game," Drew said. "Then he walked behind all of us and blasted us. Those things leave welts!"

Through it all, Jones just cackled.

Basketball aside, this was why he came to Baylor. As much as they needed him, Jones needed the Bears, too. The school, the students and the fans have helped bring out the kid in Jones, the youthful side he compartmentalized for so many years.

A few hours before that paintball game, Jones had shocked his coaches and teammates when he announced his decision to bypass millions and return for his sophomore season. He said he wasn't mature enough, mentally or physically, to handle the rigors of the NBA. His game needed to develop, and his personality did, too.

One year later, Jones still marvels at the expressions he saw on everyone's face when he peered out into the crowd during that press conference.

"Everyone just looked so happy," Jones said. "I felt so wanted."

Jones was like a piece of meat before he arrived at Baylor. AAU coaches and college recruiters and agents snipped at him from all directions. Everyone assumed Jones would use Waco as a one-year pit stop on the road to the NBA.

But once Jones got to college, he didn't want to leave.

Last season, after a victory, Jones joined a group of students for dinner and a movie. Not once was he asked about the game. Professors stopped him on campus and said how much they'd like to see him back in class the following year, and he and his teammates reminisced about the memories they'd made during the previous six months.

"Perry is coming alive," guard A.J. Walton said. "He's smiling and having fun. He's finding his roots instead of his leaves."

It may not be as big as Texas or tout the same tradition as Kentucky. But Baylor and its surging program were the right fit for Jones. He had sensed it four years earlier, when he told his mother on the drive home from an unofficial visit to Waco that he wanted to be a Bear.

"It's been refreshing," Jones said. "It feels weird to actually have people care about me as a person. In the past all anyone has wanted to talk to me about is basketball.

"I'd been told I was one-and-done my whole life. The mindset was instilled in my head. There are still a few people who start sentences with, 'Once you're in the pros …' or 'When you get to the pros … ' I get tired of that. I'm not in the pros. I'm at Baylor right now. Let's talk about that."

Lately, the conversation hasn't been all that positive.

Jones is the top scorer and is tied for the team lead in rebounding for a Baylor team which has been ranked as high as No. 3 in the ESPN/USA Today coaches poll. But in his past seven games, Jones is averaging just 9.1 points while shooting 33 percent from the field.

Critics want Jones to be more assertive, especially when it comes to attacking the basket. He often shies away from contact and settles for outside jumpers when he could use his skill and athleticism to get into the paint.

"We need him to play big," said Acy, Jones' sidekick in the frontcourt. "We need him to be more aggressive."

However, Drew thinks Jones' best days are still ahead.

"Getting tougher is a physical and mental thing," the coach said. "It's about competing every single possession and fighting and shoving and getting hit. It's about being a man. Thomas Robinson at Kansas is a man. Quincy Acy is a man.

"Perry is still young. He's getting stronger. When he's 26 or 28, that's when he's really going to be good. That's why the NBA is so in love with him. They know he's going to get better."

Despite his recent struggles, Jones is still projected as a top-10 pick in this summer's NBA draft. If Jones does decide to leave school, those close to him are confident that any questions about his toughness will be put to rest during individual workouts and scrimmages.

"He'll open everyone's eyes, trust me," Johns, the AAU coach, said. "I cringe when I hear people say he's soft. There's nothing soft about him. I'll go to my grave with that one."

Still, even though he doesn't talk to him as often, Johns can sense the burden on Jones' shoulders. He may be enjoying himself around his teammates and on Baylor's campus, but other pressures loom.

Johns said Jones doesn't seem to be "getting any better" and that he often looks preoccupied on the bench. He's certainly has a lot to ponder. Just as he's been all season, Jones knows he'll be one of the most scrutinized players in this season's NCAA tournament. If he catches fire, Baylor is a Final Four-caliber team. But the Bears could lose its first tourney game if Jones continues to struggle.

Even more important is the decision regarding the NBA that Jones will face once again. He'd like to come back to school, but Terri's condition has worsened. Some of the country's top physicians that specialize in her condition work at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles, Calif. Terri's local doctors have suggested she seek treatment there when possible, but plane flights and hotel rooms are expensive. Jones could certainly help defray the costs with his NBA paycheck.

"I don't think he's going to stay at Baylor another year," Terri said. "I think he's more ready than he was a year ago. Last year we never talked about making the transition to the NBA, but this year we've discussed it a couple of times. I still don't think he's made a decision, though."

Jones said he's "50-50" on whether he'll return to Baylor for another season. He'd love to spend another year in school, but he wants to be smart and do what's best for his future.

And his family's future, too.

"I call him 'Purgatory,'" Johns said. "He's caught between heaven and hell. He's trying to please his mom and dad. He's trying to be fair to me and he's trying to do what Coach Drew asks. He's torn. His game is suffering. He's got a lot on his mind.

"Pretty soon he's going to come to a point where he has to draw a fork in the road and say, 'This is what I'm going to do. This is who I am.'"

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors/_/date/20120604#25453

"The Cleveland Cavaliers own the Nos. 4 and 24 selections in the first round of the 2012 draft and there are rumors they may try to move up to No. 2, which is owned by the Charlotte Bobcats, with the plan to pick Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

Bob Finnan of The News-Herald thinks it's a bad idea and he writes: "It might take their No. 4 pick, maybe one of the second-rounders and forward/center Anderson Varejao to accomplish it. The Cavs' No. 24 overall pick could also be in play. That's absurd and a steep price to pay. This team is void of NBA talent. Why are people so apt to just give away their second-best player, and perhaps several viable draft picks, for someone who's not a sure thing? The Cavs need to add players, not dispatch them out of town. Has anyone looked at this roster lately? There are major holes."

The Cavaliers might consider moving up by using their draft picks, however including Varejao likely won't happen.

ESPN.com's Chad Ford has Cleveland taking Harrison Barnes at No. 4 and Quincy Miller at No. 24 in his recent mock draft."



What would you trade to move up to #2?? If it involved Andy, would you still want to trade up?? Do we stay at 4 and take Robinson and try to move Andy at the trade deadline (if he is healthy)??

We need to hit on whatever we do in this draft to continue building during this post-LeBron era. It seems as if there are a lot of options out there for the front office to examine...Should be an interesting month!

Speaking of which, I can't wait for the combine...isn't it this weekend in Chicago (I believe)??

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I would stay where we are and try to add another 1st round pick late in the first. (which I think we could do)

This draft is so deep that it makes very little sense to me to burn up a ton of resources on one player. (Unless we could move to #1)

I am not as much against trading Varejao as I used to be, however I want value for him. That means a top 10 type pick. I don't know who we could trade with that would satisfy that requirement though.

I really want to see the Cavaliers come out of this draft with a premium player and 2, or even 3, really plus level guys. I think that it can be done.


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Published: Sunday, June 03, 2012, 6:00 AM
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer

ABOUT THE CAVS . . .


1. As the Cavs look at the draft, they are open to acquiring anyone but a point guard. Why would they consider a power forward such as Thomas Robinson of Kansas? Don't they already have another No. 4 pick at that spot in Tristan Thompson? Isn't power forward the best position for Anderson Varejao?

2. Now consider the case of the current NBA when it comes to centers. There are very few 7-footers such Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum. Most teams are playing power forwards at center. The "centers" in the Final Four teams are Kevin Garnett (Boston), Tim Duncan (San Antonio), Kendrick Perkins (Oklahoma City) and Joel Anthony (Miami). Garnett and Duncan are future Hall of Famers, but they are really power forwards. The other guys are journeymen.

3. The top center in the draft is Andre Drummond, who shot 29 percent from the foul line and averaged 7.4 rebounds at UConn. Maybe Drummond develops, as he played only one year of college basketball, but so many big draft blunders have been made by teams needing a center and getting an underachiever such as Drummond.

4. If the Cavs take a power forward, the plan would be for Varejao to continue to start at center. Thompson played both center and power forward. Someone such as Robinson would be the third big man. And Cleveland also has Samardo Samuels. The Cavs want four viable big men to keep the minutes down for Varejao, who has had major injuries the past two seasons.

5. While the Cavs and some other teams are expected to make major trade offers to New Orleans for the draft rights to Anthony Davis, it would be a shock if the pick is traded. Davis is viewed as the one sure star in the draft. After Davis, it seems Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bradley Beal and Robinson are being considered by Charlotte (No. 2) and Washington (No. 3). I've heard some rumblings about Kidd-Gilchrist slipping to the Cavs, who would be glad to take him.

6. Since Kidd-Gilchrist is a small forward with an iffy jump shot, his stock may fall. He shot only 26 percent on 3-pointers. He shoots 75 percent at the foul line and averaged 7.4 rebounds, excellent for a small forward. He's a fierce defender and was the leader of a championship team -- despite being only 18. In terms of work ethic and the "winning culture" attributes the Cavs like, Kidd-Gilchrist has those.

7. Watching the playoffs, one of the major ingredients required are players who can create their own shot when the 24-second clock ticks down and plays fall apart. Kyrie Irving brings that to the Cavs, but they really have no one else. The draft doesn't have many creative and extremely athletic shooting guards and small forwards. Florida's Beal is more of a jump shooter. The same goes for UConn's Jeremy Lamb, who is moving up most draft boards into the top 10.

8. It's so hard to find instant stars in the draft. Here are the top five picks from 2010: John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, Wesley Johnson and DeMarcus Cousins. Only Wall and Cousins have averaged more than 10 points during their first two years. With so many young players entering the draft, the goal is to find one who develops during the course of a few seasons.

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If Chris Grant and the Cavs see whomever at #2 as a much better player than anyone they could get at 4, you do it. If it's the difference between a guy who can average more than 20 versus a guy who is a rotation player? It's an easy decision.

I enjoy Bob Finnan's writing, but the NBA is not about quantity. The people who thought it would have been better to get Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight versus Kyrie and whoever found that out pretty quick last year.

You get the best player you can. You're not going to flip this thing into a serious contending roster in a year anyway.

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Maybe so .... but I don't see a whole lot of difference from 2-4 on more draft boards. (But I should add that I didn;t watch a ton of college Basketball this past year, and am going by reports in some cases as much, or more than actually seeing the player play in some cases)

We are most often tied to Kidd-Gilchrist, Robinson, or Beal. (or even Barnes or Drummond)

All of these players have weaknesses. if we wanted the most NBA ready guy, then the pick would probably be Robinson. He is said to have limited NBA upside.

Kidd-Gilchrist has upside, but no real jumper right now. He's going to have to develop, and his drafting team will have to take a lot on faith there. He does have a ton of athletic ability though.

Beal is a short SG. He's only 6'3" or so. He does have a nice shot though. Will only being 6'3" hurt him defensively?

Barnes appeared to regress this past year. He still might be a solid pick at 4. He "can" do it all .... the question is, will he?

Drummond has size ..... but little production, and almost no offensive game. Highly risky pick IMHO.

I think that Davis is a sure thing ..... but after him are some really intriguing players ..... who also carry some risks.


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I see it the same way you do. Not a lot of difference in these guys, and all of them are going to take time. I don't see an immediate all star.

If the Cavs somehow see it differently, and see a huge difference in 4 and 2, I have no problem with them moving up. This could all be garbage that might be forcing someone's hand to try and get them to move up from 24.

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I do think that there is a lot of depth to this draft, with valuable players into the 2nd round ..... guys who can be solid contributors on winning teams.

I think that my preference would be to grab Kidd-Gilchrist at 4, (obviously assuming that he's available) and then looking for the best SG/outside shooter at 24. That would give Irving a slasher, and a shooter to work with. I think that good things would happen in a case like that.


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Yeah, but man we gotta find a center in this draft, even if he's somewhat developmental.

But man I'd love to see them get a sniper somehwere. If you add a physical freak like Gilchrist, with Kryie, and some of the pieces we have now, and throw in a good shooter, I think you're looking at a decent little team.

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Beal is a great shooter who suffered from playing with two chucking guards (Boynton and Walker) at Florida. He RARELY received on time, on target passes and NEVER knew when was getting the ball because not only were both guys chuckers, they both would break plays off to do their own thing by forcing shots and both were upperclassman with no backups...So Billy Donavon had no choice but to play those guys. If the Cavs take Beal...they obviously believe that he and KI can be the back court of the future...That, with a defensive minded 3 at 24 (Harkless or Taylor come to mind)...plus TT and AV, not a bad starting 5. Hit 1 of the 2 second rounders as a quality back-up....I'd take that draft!

**Sidenote...I bet Byron Scott thinks he can turn Beal into a player just like himself...I would love to see Beal in a CAVS uniform if that is the case!**

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Breakdown of Harrison Barnes:



Roy Williams' system isn't flashy. It's part of the reason so many people love MKG more than Barnes.

He's obviously got a good shot. Not because of percentages in college necessarily, but because of his form. It is a thing of beauty. High release point, straight elbows, and a natural touch. That is something that only develops w/ time. He can hit every shot on the floor. With his 6-8 frame he'll get his shot off against anyone. However he struggles pretty mightily trying to create his own shot. He probably will not be able to do it in the NBA. His handles are pretty poor.

His basketball IQ is off the charts. That doesn't sound exciting, but when he makes that back door cut for a wide open layup from Kyrie Irving, it's a lot more fun. That's something that only gets better with time. One of the reasons I loved Kevin Love when he was coming out of UCLA is because he had one of the best basketball IQs I had ever seen. Wes Unseld too a T. I see a lot of that kind of thing in Barnes. Well spoken too. Won't bring any drama to the team, won't demand the spotlight, and will let Kyrie continue being the face of the franchise. Also, lets the game come to him. Not James Harden-like, but definitely does not force things. Why people view that as a negative I have no idea.

He's a good defender already. With potential to grow into a great one with his lanky arms and underrated athleticism. Also, another place where that great basketball IQ comes in.

Lastly, he does everything else at least good-great. He just needs to make his good traits great ones, and continue putting in the work he has done for years.

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I've got the guys listed: Davis, MKG, Beal, J.Lamb/Barnes*, T.Robinson

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So, I obviously will not mind drafting Barnes. He does have a great looking shot (if we draft him and Jenkins, SG at #24 we'll be able to hold shooting clinics) but he lacks the aggressiveness. That isn't all on Roy's system either.

That's the main difference between Barnes & MKG. Barnes is the fluid athlete who does everything 100% right but doesn't necessarily have that extra gear. MKG burns out the clutch going between his highest gears and may not do things 100% right but does them with 100% effort.


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Barnes thinks too much and MKG just does it

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What do you think of Royce White if he makes it to 24?? I saw him play in the tourney and he would not be a bad option to have coming off the bench with our second unit. Do we take a chance on Anthony Mason 2.0??

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I like his game. Could be a very valuable bench guy.

I would really like a center like Fab Melo or O'quinn from Norfolk State

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no O'Quinn until the 2nd round. he has not post moves and only did well when he got to feast on the smaller schools (or play in a no-defense game like vs. Mizzou).

if he's there in the 2nd, sure I'd give him a look.


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When former Duke point guard Kyrie Irving was picked No. 1 overall by Cleveland last June, it helped his cause that he wasn't a small forward.

LeBron James made his Decision to head for Miami a year before, and in his rookie year, Irving was facing more than enough pressure without the burden of replacing The Departed One at the three position.

A year later, North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could wind up playing that role.

The Cavaliers are very high on the 20-year-old small forward and appear unlikely to let him slip past them at the No. 4 slot in the June 28 draft, according to sources. While this week's predraft combine in Chicago and subsequent team workouts could always change things, rival executives are planning for Barnes to be off the board by the time the fifth pick (Sacramento) rolls around.

"He's a pretty big deal to them," one such executive said.

Barnes, a skilled and versatile scorer and a capable defender, would be the sort of two-way threat that coach Byron Scott values. He averaged 17.1 points (on 44 percent shooting from the field and 35.8 percent from three-point range) and 5.2 rebounds as a sophomore, though he shot just 32.8 percent overall and 26 percent from beyond the arc while averaging 14 points in four games during the NCAA tournament. And considering he once announced his decision to attend North Carolina during a nationally televised segment on ESPN in which he picked between six suitors, maybe Barnes is destined for Cleveland.




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Love his potential, but I wonder if they would pass on MKG if he were also available?

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Barnes = Danny Granger

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Is that good or bad?

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Most teams would love to have DG. He's just not at the level of all the top players in the game. No shame in that. He won't win you anything on his own, but he's a hell of a player and can be a key piece to a championship team.

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Didn't Granger average like 25 PPG for a couple of years?

I'd take that from the SF spot right now.


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Granger is a really good player, just not necessarily a great team leader.

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I think that we have the leader of our team already in Irving.

I think that everyone else gets subordinate positions.


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I actually think a pairing of KI and Granger would be really good. The styles would actually blend well. So if they think Barnes is the guy, and Barnes is a similiar build of player to Granger? Then go for it.

Yeah, getting a Durant or LBJ type player is nice, but those guys come around once or twice a decade.

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Here's the craziest part about how OKC built their team. It seems like they never "miss" on a draft pick. I don't know how any other team even competes with that.

Since 2007 when Presti took control here are the guys they have hit on (some of these were draft-day traded to other teams but they originally took as an asset and flipped). '*' indicate a 2nd round selection.

2007: Durant / *Carl Landry / *Glen Davis
2008: Westbrook / Ibaka (24th)
2009: Harden / R.Beaubois (25th)
2010: E.Bledsoe (18th)
2011: R.Jackson (24th) - injured last year but alot of positive hype before it.

Even Jeff Green (2007 drafted by Celtics, acquired by OKC for Ray Allen) who ended up being an overall bust ended up netting them Kendrick Perkins (back from Boston).

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If Irving was our Durant, then can this year be our Westbrook/Ibaka draft?


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Someone mentioned it before, might have even been you, they hit on everything but Green, but still managed to turn that into a positive.

If they can somehow work around the cap issues, they could turn into a modern day Bulls. Maybe not 6 in 8 years (hopefully Durant doesn't get suspended ERRR i mean try and play baseball) but just put forth one of those insane runs where they rip off 3 in 5.

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yeah, they are a machine. the scary thing is that even though they probably can't keep "this" corps together for that whole run, there isn't a GM alive I would rather have picking the trades/draft picks to keep it going.


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Beal measures at 6'4 1/4 with 6'8 wingspan at combine.

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I was able to watch some of the NBA combine draft today and I was watching Perry Jones in particular and he reminded me (and always has) of a young Durant. He looked smooth in the transition drills and I thought maybe he was meant to play the 3 in the NBA. But I would definitely not take him at 4...I know there have been rumors about trading 4 and 24 for 6 and 11. A combination of J Lamb and Perry Jones to go along with KI, TT and AV...that has some pretty sick ceilings with the ROY PG leading the way.

2nd round picks you take D Lamb and D Miller and you create competition for the 2 and 3 spots for years, which will help develop your bench players into key role players (don't forget to add Gee to that list as well). I know it doesn't address our 5 spot...but that gives us a potentially pretty nasty 1-4 starters and back-ups.

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