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http://www.nfl.com/freeagency (* -- former top-5 pick) RB:*Benson, Cedric *Brown, Ronnie Forsett, Justin Graham, Earnest Grant, Ryan *Tomlinson, LaDainian Torain, Ryan Ward, Derrick *Williams, Cadillac WR:Burress, Plaxico Clayton, Mark Owens, Terrell Sims-Walker, Mike Wallace, Mike (RFA) DT:Harris, Tommie Thomas, Marcus *Warren, Gerard DE:Roth, Matt LB:Sims, Ernie Wilson, Lawrence CB:McDonald, Brandon Sapp, Benny Hmm, if nothing else this kind of just reinforces that RB is the easiest position to fill in FA. Pretty slim pickin's everywhere else. 
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This thread should also be known as "Players we won't be signing".
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Harris is really about the only guy on that list who I would consider. Even then, he's been largely a backup the past 2 years.
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Cedric Benson could start, ( maybe) on the Browns, so yeah I'd look for him.
A month ago, I thought Benson, and Braylon, who is not on the list, so maybe Braylon signed somewhere.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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the list is evolving.
I appreciate a lot of posters on here, but I think I would miss TL's posts the most if he ever stopped.
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Wow, Ernie Sims, it was just a few years ago when he was considered the future on defense for the Lions.
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Wow, Ernie Sims, it was just a few years ago when he was considered the future on defense for the Lions.
you can't make the team from the trainer's room. sad for him as he really looked good early.
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I amnot slobbering over the list (I looked). I see more potential squad buster potential problem children that I wouldn't risk. Maybe Plaxico, but have good reasons NOT to want a number of them. Pass.
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Braylon Edwards is still a Free Agent as well. Just an FYI for ya There is some quality there.. Tomlinson is quality, but the last I heard out of the press is that he's pondering retirement.. I don't know, to me there seems to be some problem children there. Burress would be an upgrade.. But trouble follows him.. If we needed a DB (and I think we do) I'd at least entertain McDonald. Bring him in, see what he's got,, if nothing,, bye bye.. Just NO to TO.. again, probably an upgrade to some of our receivers,, but all I can see there is trouble. No way heckert or Shurmur would want him here., they were in Philly when he pulled his nasty tricks in the press.. they won't let him come here. I have no idea what you'd have to give up to get wallace.... Matt Roth didn't want to be here,, why would be try for him? Quote:
Hmm, if nothing else this kind of just reinforces that RB is the easiest position to fill in FA.
True if you want guys that aren't as good as Richardson is reported to be or Peterson is.
Someone to fill a hole,, yeah, you can get those guys.. Someone outstanding? that would be tougher
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Brandon McDonald couldn't make the team a couple of years ago when we had less depth in the secondary than we do now. Why would he have a chance now?
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Old and past their time, the often injured, the problem children, and straight up bums.
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Brandon McDonald couldn't make the team a couple of years ago when we had less depth in the secondary than we do now. Why would he have a chance now?
No particular reason other than we are in need of some depth.. not saying he'd make the team, just saying that it couldn't hurt to bring him in. If he makes it,, cool, if not, we aren't talking about a huge investment.
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Not much of a list.
I agree ... I think we have a better chance of finding another player after the cut down dates (if) we feel we need to.
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We drafted a CB, and brought in like 3 or 4 UDFA types to go along with the guys we have.
Our top 5 CB right now are Haden, Brown, Patterson, Skrine, and Dockery. That's not top of the NFL but it's not the dregs either. We have some good young talent there.
Where would a guy like McDonald fit? He's not going to start. He's not going to be the Nickel or Dime CB. I want my 5th/6th CBs to be guys who have room for development.
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I'd probably be okay with adding Mike Sims-Walker and Tommie Harris to the mix. But I agree with FL_Dawg on waiting on the cut down dates.
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We drafted a CB, and brought in like 3 or 4 UDFA types to go along with the guys we have.
Our top 5 CB right now are Haden, Brown, Patterson, Skrine, and Dockery. That's not top of the NFL but it's not the dregs either. We have some good young talent there.
Where would a guy like McDonald fit? He's not going to start. He's not going to be the Nickel or Dime CB. I want my 5th/6th CBs to be guys who have room for development.
dunno if he would, just saying it couldn't hurt to have him in to look and see. When he was here last we were running the 3-4.. could running the 4-3 be a better fit? dunno..
Point is, we got room to find out.. won't hurt anything.. McDonald was a good kid,, no trouble. so there isn't a reason like that not to try him out.
Again, just no big whoop either way really...
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The 4-3 vs the 3-4 really doesn't make a difference as far as CB go. Coverages are pretty much the same, either a zone or man cover scheme.
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I'd probably be okay with adding Mike Sims-Walker and Tommie Harris to the mix. But I agree with FL_Dawg on waiting on the cut down dates.
I think we want to see how some of the rookies perform before we make any decisions on whether or not to bring one of those two positions in the fold.
At this point in the FA process I think that you stand a better chance at finding a player who can come in and contribute.
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Matt Roth? Wasn't that long ago when many on here were ready to pack it in because he moved on. A year later, he's sitting at home waiting by the phone.
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Cedric Benson could start, ( maybe) on the Browns
man, someone should be running a "best of" list from you
Is it so wrong to assume a back who was the feature back for 2 years in the AFC north, would have potential to start.
" Starter is one of the top 3 rb's depending on formation. So I question, would he be a starter over Brandon Jackson, or Ogbonnaya, and I think he would.
Even potentially He'd beat out Richardson for the early part of the season, because TR is a rookie, even if he's the best rookie to come around in years.
It doesn't matter because they won't sign him, but if they did, he potentially could start, at least for part of the year.
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RB is one of the easiest positions to transition to the NFL. I doubt that Richardson will need time to adjust to the NFL. He'll start from day 1.
We also have an experienced backup in Jackson.
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Gees,, Whatever.. Still don't think it hurts anything to look at him..
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And he isn't a good pass catcher out of the backfield.
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 keep them coming please.
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I would bring in B-Mac, and Sims-Walker...like some others have said. Kick the tires and see what they got to offer. I personally think B-Mac would be an upgrade over ShelDONT Cover Brown
And Sims-Walker is IMO better than MoMass and Cribbs.
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I don't think any single one of those players really offers a whole lot more than can be found elsewhere, especially for the cost.
Let them sit and wait and they'll become cheap.... and if we're hit by the injury bug, then we can fill holes with guys like this.
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I just got done listening to Baskin and Phelps and it was reported that Little and Massaqiou are the starting WR's for now.
why in heck won't the Browns looks at Mike Sims Walker who's career stats combined are better than Massaqiuo's
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Who do we cut to pick up Sims-Walker? How much money does he want? Does he know the offense? Is he healthy? Why has he been cut two times in one year?
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More importantly - who is Phelps, and what happened to Robbins? Quote:
it was reported that Little and Massaqiou are the starting WR's for now.
And this is the biggest clue that you can ignore whomever the hell those guys are.... we're JUST starting OTA's. There isn't any such thing as a Starter at this point. All you have is the guys that were here last year, and the guys that weren't... and based off of that, some guys end up getting designated with the 1's, others with the 2's, etc... and then they go to work. That all gets shuffled around based upon how people are doing and what the coaches want to see. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. To address that, however --- why SHOULDN'T they be the "starters"? Little was our most productive WR last year, and pre-injury MoMass had our #1 spot locked down..... so, if nothing else has changed, then why should it change???? It's just the starting point.
Reading anything more than that into it at this point is patently ludicrous.
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I just got done listening to Baskin and Phelps and it was reported that Little and Massaqiou are the starting WR's for now.
why in heck won't the Browns looks at Mike Sims Walker who's career stats combined are better than Massaqiuo's
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2008 JAC 9 16 217 13.6 32 0 11 0 0
2009 JAC 15 63 869 13.8 61 7 43 2 1
2010 JAC 14 43 562 13.1 39 7 33 1 1
2011 STL 4 11 139 12.6 33 0 7 0 0
2011 JAC 2 1 11 11.0 11 0 1 0 0
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2009 CLE 16 34 624 18.4 59 3 24 1 1
2010 CLE 15 36 483 13.4 41 2 24 1 1
2011 CLE 14 31 384 12.4 56 2 19 0 0
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Break it out though, he's not that much of an upgrade. Especially when you consider he had a capable David Garrard throwing him the ball, we had... well, you've seen the qb's we've had.
Same crap, different diaper IMO.
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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7984174/new-england-patriots-release-wr-anthony-gonzalezPatriots release Anthony Gonzalez The Patriots announced the release of wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez on Tuesday. The 2007 first-round draft choice of the Colts was attempting to revive his career in New England after playing in only 11 games the past three seasons. Gonzalez had a run of injuries that limited him after a promising start to his career. Because of that, the one-year contract Gonzalez signed with the Patriots heavily protected the team. He would have earned a base salary of $701,000 if he made the roster, but $368,000 if he landed on injured reserve. Gonzalez also was due a $15,000 workout bonus as part of the deal. Gonzalez was not present at Thursday's organized team activity that was open to reporters. On April 10, Gonzalez met with reporters at Gillette Stadium and talked about how the Patriots were the perfect fit for him. His signing represented insurance for the Patriotsm with Wes Welker's contract status up in the air, as Gonzalez did some of his best work out of the slot early in his career. Julian Edelman and seventh-round draft choice Jeremy Ebert are the other slot receivers on the roster, and veteran Deion Branch also could be a presence inside.
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Bring him in for a look.
Honestly, with our current WR corps, I'd have FAs in constantly trying out.
Little is legit and Cribbs looks to be improving and would have a spot on the team anyways. After that, its alot of question marks. Big ones.
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I wouldn't bother. When the Patriots cut someone, they're pretty much done.
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I think they signed him strictly to leverage against Welker. Now that Welker has signed his franchise tag, they let him go.
Here are the WRs currently on NE's roster:
84 Deion Branch WR 32 5-9 195 10 Louisville
-- Britt Davis WR 26 6-3 215 1 Northern Illinois
-- Jeremy Ebert WR 23 5-11 200 R Northwestern
11 Julian Edelman WR 26 5-10 198 3 Kent State
-- Jabar Gaffney WR 31 6-2 200 10 Florida
-- Anthony Gonzalez WR 27 6-0 193 5 Ohio State
-- Brandon Lloyd WR 30 6-0 188 9 Illinois
85 Chad Ochocinco WR 34 6-1 192 11 Oregon State
-- Matt Roark WR -- 6-5 214 R Kentucky
18 Matthew Slater WR 26 6-0 200 4 UCLA
-- Donte' Stallworth WR 31 6-0 220 9 Tennessee
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Probably the right answer in the long run, But I'd have no problem just having him stop in for an OTA or Mini to check it out. But I do believe the results would be the same.. and that's GONE..
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