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I'm going to have to respectfully TOTALLY disagree with you here. Whether or not Fraley was our top choice if ANY of the other 6 guys we had before hand had stepped up and played well we would not have traded for him. therefore, I'll repeat, he is only here cause the other 6 guys didn't pan out.

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Fraley WAS PHIL's first choice , but Philly balked until they knew they could let go without facing injuries.Phil brought in everyone he could to buy time until he could secure HF..

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On the surface, that kinda looks like a very logical view of the situation. But in reality, the league is now and has been for years, full of guys playing guard that are less than 3rd picks,,, In fact, our very own Andruzzi was an undrafted FA and ended up starting on 3 superbowl winning teams...
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Keep in mind the point of the conversation D.

It's not about developing a starter, it's about having a starter next year.

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[color:"red"]A little too much wishful thinking here. Thomas won't to 5, Shaffer won't suddenly become an above-average right tackle, Sowells probably isn't going to be ready nor will a 3rd round rookie, and Steinbach blows up our cap.

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And realitically U can't replace 4-5 linemen in one offseason Toad..and just to write off everyone without seeing them play isn' t realistic...
The better senero is to worry about the interior and if Thomas or another OT is there in draft that is BETTER than Shaffer , grab him.Move him to the right side.
I haven't seen U say what happens if Phil is able to take Thomas.
What does he do with Shaffer?
I'm not asking out of ignorance, I want to see what U think.
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I don't need to see Sowells play to understand that 2nd year 4th round players have a horrendous record as bonifide starters in this league. I work based off of what's probably, not what's possible.

I've always viewed Shaffer as a right tackle on this team, not a left tackle. If we're lucky to get Thomas, Shaffer gets moved. If Tucker is still around, sure, try Shaffer at guard, but I don't think it'll work, just like I didn't think trying Thompson at OLB would work. It can't hurt to try. However, if Tucker is done, move Shaffer over there.

Now, why isn't it realistic to replace 4 guys? Reality is that we may not have a choice.

Coleman is a free agent, and I think the odds are long that he's back. Bentley may be done for good. Fraley is a free agent. Druzzi is done as a player. Tucker may be done for good.

We may not have a choice.

I think Roc asked me about Fraley. I'm not very impressed with him, but like I always thought with Faine, if we put a couple of good guards around him his weaknesses can be covered up.

We're going to need 2 new guards and may have to re up with Fraley. That's 3 right there. Adding a 4th wouldn't be difficult.[/color]


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If that were to happen it won't be all through the draft..
I would think 2 FA guards..
I do not ever see Shaffer going to guard..but RT is viable for him..should be a interesting March when FA opens..mad rush ..

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"In all honesty, I don't care where we pick up this hypothetical Guard. Ideally he would be someone with enough mobility to pull effectively, and enough strength and quickness to get to the 2nd level effectively in the running game. "

It's not often you will find that guard in the lower rounds,every team in the NFL is looking for that guard,he will be drafted early,because he is rare.


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What I meant is that I don't care whether the guy comes from the draft or free agency.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.


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