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Is it just me, or has Evan Moore had a really poor attitude throughout minicamps. Giving up on passes, complaining, getting into scuffles.
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Umm .... what toad? 
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Oh hell, I've seen worse than that on here. I thought that it was going to be some awful thing.
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I don't agree that it is the proper way to handle it, I just think the various methods being utilized and the mixed messages (especially around draft time.) The 'he said, she said's by the media especially aggravate my feelings toward this supposed competition. I've just always felt it's best to just name the starter and get going with it. The thing is with the rookie, do that and then it looks like favoritism which sends the wrong message so it's very tedious ground work. If Weeden's impressed the brass so much to this point, what harm does it really create? More harm to McCoy's ego than the media going out of it's way to downsize his potential impact to the team at every turn. I read 2 or 3 tweets to the effect of "McCoy's throwing like garbage at OTA's" to every "Weeden is so smart, grasping the playbook and learning the system." Tweet from the so called 'experts'. Its the unprecedented bias, in spite of what's supposed to be a competition, not just by the media but by the team itself, that makes me angry. They're basically going. "Oh yeah, Colt, Seneca, hell even Thad Lewis, these guys have a shot and we want the QB who will be the best for the team but we also want Brandon Weeden to be that guy, we believe Weeden will be that guy and we're going to do whatever we can in our power as coaches to make him that guy." It's the portrayal of open-mindedness in spite of it being obvious that they've all but made their minds up with Weeden. It's the double talk that pisses me off more than anything. I would expect that from the media, especially during the fluffy time of the year that it is for sports media but from the team I would like to see a little more certainty. I'm probably just reading in to it a little too much over all. The media propagates this more-so than any of the people that run this team. It's why the Colt trade rumors spiraled out of proportion to begin with... Most teams draft a QB in the first round, they do whatever they can to make sure he's in the position to be the guy, and they rarely beat around the bush about it as much as the Browns have thus far. Tebow with The Broncos is the only example I can think of off the top of my head where a QB is drafted In the first round and then the team that took him is like “Ehhhhh....” The Browns have been clear with the fact that they are putting their eggs in Weeden's basket, so whats with the kid gloves? It made sense when we drafted Colt in the 3rd round, the whole “he will sit the year” and let him learn approach. The approach we have taken with Weeden only makes sense to me if they're trying to simultaneously keep Colt happy. I would say Colt has had more than enough cause to lose his cool with the team by now and if the team just naming Weeden the #1 guy is the tip of the iceberg than holy crap Colt is more drama than he's worth and again that's just me reading in to it what I am. Really... what's to lose? It strikes me similar to last year when Wallace said he wanted to start and then the team went and ignored that pretty much ignored that and went and made Colt the starter. It was pretty close to this point if I'm not mistaken, given there were no OTA's and minimal training camp the decision was made pretty “early” in the off-season process so I don't really see why it would be so different to do the same for Weeden now. Quote:
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Your first line is true, because the Browns see more in Weeden than they do in McCoy.
Yup, it's probably true, but should it be?
If McCoy outplays weeden in Preseason and does it by a significant margin, would it still be the right move to put Weeden in as the starter in the first real game?
Logically, you would think that the guy that played better would be the starter.. I would say that with every single other position on the team, that's what would happen. But with the QB,,, I think they still pick Weeden.
Keeping in mind, just because McCoy played better in Preseason and won the starting job, that doesn't mean he'll keep the starting job.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut.
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Seems to me that there are plenty of passes to go around. If Weeden took all the reps his arm would fall off. Many a Qb has had to take time off in training camp because of a tired arm.
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Is it just me, or has Evan Moore had a really poor attitude throughout minicamps. Giving up on passes, complaining, getting into scuffles.
Why, because he got knocked down and complained about it? These guys aren't wearing protection at all.. we're talking about no pads and shorts..
you don't play tackle when your dressed like that?
And, it appears to be against the rules in the new CBA.. so he's playing and NOT expecting to get hit.
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Is it just me, or has Evan Moore had a really poor attitude throughout minicamps. Giving up on passes, complaining, getting into scuffles.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut.
Granted, this is just the impression that I've gotten, but it seemed to me his attitude, as well as his inability to block was what greatly restricted his play time last year (in addition to injury...) how does a guy who plainly makes things happen when he's on the field not get playing time? Well... we needed blockers, Alex Smith has decent hands and he's a good blocker. Moore's got good hands but can't block, and doesn't seem to want to put 100% into every down he's on the field, than there's that.
If there's no corroboration between Moore's attitude, and (lack of) playing time, than I don't know what else it is. I agree with Daman though, these guys are out there playing in an environment that their safety is ensured to a certain degree. If you're getting popped (more than once, lets say) I'd say I would be getting frustrated too.
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I've not heard one word about him having a bad attitude. if he gets cut or traded, it will be because he can't get the job done better than someone else we have on the team..
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That's fan generated then (something that happens often with this team) but you're right. Bottom line is his skill set is limited and we've required more out of our TE's than he can offer us with his skills. I'm hoping w/ an improved OL, that will give our offensive coordinator a little more freedom to use the offensive weapons we have, like Moore, for Weeden's benefit.
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That's fan generated then (something that happens often with this team) but you're right. Bottom line is his skill set is limited and we've required more out of our TE's than he can offer us with his skills. I'm hoping w/ an improved OL, that will give our offensive coordinator a little more freedom to use the offensive weapons we have, like Moore, for Weeden's benefit.
Yeah,, probably fan generated cause like I said,, I've heard nothing from the press about it.. Not that I'd believe them anyway...LOL
The thing about Moore,, he might be better as a receiver.. Ala JUREVICIUS.
Big target, great hands, not afraid to take a hit.. Doesn't that sound a lot likt Joe.. in fact, He actually might be faster than Jurevicius.. so there's another plus..
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I think the concussions are the issue with several of these players. I don't want to make excuses but there does seem to be pattern with these pass catchers that get whacked in that they don't give the greatest effort to go get balls.
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I would agree to some extent but IMO Mo was always a bit contact-shy, or maybe just didn't put out maximum effort to go after balls. Moore was mentioned as giving up on one of Weedon's interceptions.
With the exception of Cribbs and Little (two guys with no concussions, hmmm) I saw little fight or fire from our receivers last year.
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No concussions? You don't remember Harrison preening over a twitching Josh cribbs after spearing him in the earhole? Which the NFL inexplicably later decreed was a "clean" hit?
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From my understanding of the rules, that Harrison hit on Cribbs was legal per the letter of the law. But in my opinion clearly dirty.
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There were a few plays that I remember from last year where Moore gave up on a pass to him. And it wasn't because he was about to get hit either. I particularly remember one that ended up as an interception. The pass was so far off that I doubt he could have caught it. But the pass was kind of floated and there was a very good possibility that he could have knocked it down had he tried.
I didn't notice MoMass too much last season but the year before there were multiple interceptions that I thought he could have broken up but just didn't try. To me a Wr has to at least try to knock a pass about to be intercepted down.
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Nope, it violated two rules warranting 15-yard penalties:
Any tackler Using the helmet to butt, ram, or spear an opponent
Unnecessarily using the crown of the helmet to strike an opponent
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Since you put it that way  It is just that everything I heard about it was that it was legal because Cribbs was running with the football. I say that I thought it was dirty because he used the crown of his helmet and he went for Cribbs' helmet. In particular the temple area which was easily avoidable without compromising the play one bit.
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Why, because he got knocked down and complained about it? These guys aren't wearing protection at all.. we're talking about no pads and shorts..
you don't play tackle when your dressed like that?
And, it appears to be against the rules in the new CBA.. so he's playing and NOT expecting to get hit.
No, I feel like this is just a minute part of other things I've been hearing about him. I'm a huge fan of his and really felt we needed to use him more. It's just that I feel like every time I see his name mentioned, there's a negative connotation with it.
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Just for instance (I think it's in the minicamp thread or the Weeden/McCoy thread). I think they talked about how Weeden's pass to Moore was intercepted because Moore gave up on it.
Trust me, man, I'm not some old guy at an apartment complex. I don't generate anything without having actually seen it somewhere. I also haven't concluded Moore is an arse. I just haven't heard anything good about him in minicamp.
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Is it just me, or has Evan Moore had a really poor attitude throughout minicamps. Giving up on passes, complaining, getting into scuffles.
Why, because he got knocked down and complained about it? These guys aren't wearing protection at all.. we're talking about no pads and shorts..
you don't play tackle when your dressed like that?
And, it appears to be against the rules in the new CBA.. so he's playing and NOT expecting to get hit.
No, I feel like this is just a minute part of other things I've been hearing about him. I'm a huge fan of his and really felt we needed to use him more. It's just that I feel like every time I see his name mentioned, there's a negative connotation with it.
Well, I'm neither a supporter or detractor of his. if he can help us, I hope he makes the team... but this team does appear (on paper) to be getting stronger in lots of areas. So I think it's fairly safe to say, it's only going to get tougher to make the squad.
But honestly, the only negative thing I've heard about him was the article that said he appeared angry over a hit that isn't supposed to take place at this point in OTA's.
I mean,, I've heard fans say things,, (some on here) but I'd hardly call that official.. or worthy of discussion.
So, what official thing have you heard that makes you wonder about him?
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It appears we were posting at the same time.
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Any tackler Using the helmet to butt, ram, or spear an opponent
Unnecessarily using the crown of the helmet to strike an opponent
Wrong or right ... IIRC they said that Cribbs had become a runner/RB and that the same rules did not apply in that case and that's how I remembered them saying why they didn't penalize Harrison on that play. It seemed all too convenient at the time imo.
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I'm an old guy living in an apartment complex,, you got something against old guys living in apartments? 
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I'm an old guy living in an apartment complex,, you got something against old guys living in apartments?
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LOL, I wasn't referencing you, but the "mayor" you spoke of in the other forum.
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Any tackler Using the helmet to butt, ram, or spear an opponent
Unnecessarily using the crown of the helmet to strike an opponent
Wrong or right ... IIRC they said that Cribbs had become a runner/RB and that the same rules did not apply in that case and that's how I remembered them saying why they didn't penalize Harrison on that play. It seemed all too convenient at the time imo.
Fl - that's is what I remember "them" saying.
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LOL, I wasn't referencing you, but the "mayor" you spoke of in the other forum.
now there's a guy that just doesn't have a life..LOL
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No, I feel like this is just a minute part of other things I've been hearing about him. I'm a huge fan of his and really felt we needed to use him more. It's just that I feel like every time I see his name mentioned, there's a negative connotation with it.
I feel this is more-so a product of the sports media than anything else. The numbers don't lie, when Evan Moore is on the field, and making plays, he's scoring TD's. It's pretty much as linear as sports stats get. We didn't have the liberty of using many 2 TE sets, nor the liberty of starting Moore when Watson got injured last year so that's why we didn't see much of Evan Moore.
Fans will read into it what they will (I did, earlier in the thread!) but I think overall, if he WANTS it, the fruit is ripe to pick. He needs to show the brass he wants to play football. He will make plays, he's proven that's what he does. I just hope he steps up to the plate. It's more reasonable than crossing my fingers that Jordan Cameron will emerge out of the blue.
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Yep, that's what they said about the QB protections and defenseless receiver protections not applying, which I thought was insane since the spearing rule (which I've posted with reference on here multiple times) starts with the specific verbiage "any tackler."
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cleve...the Harrison hit on Cribbs was called correctly by the officials as Cribbs was running the ball and past the LOS.
As for spearing, I do not believe Harrison speared Cribbs either. It was simply the type of incidental helmet to helmet contact that occurs in every game.
Had Harrison been playing for the Browns and made the same tackle on a Steeler RB, our fans would love the hit.
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that's crazy. Harrision dropped the crown of his helmet down (so he's looking at the ground at this point) and rammed directly into Cribbs' helmet. It is not incidental and Harrision's postgame comments about it also demonstrated it was not.
The NFL does not enforce the spearing penalty that it has on the books, which is ridiculous. There are plenty of incidental helmet-to-helmet hits on RBs and OL during games that cannot be completely avoided, but this incident (and the hit on McCoy, which was in the same vein) are easily correctable for providing the NFL ref's with a point of emphasis on following this rule.
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Weeden vs. McCoy is going to end up 115-113 Weeden, regardless of what McCoy does...
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I wonder how long Harrison would be able to play if the NFL cut out the crown of the helmet on his own helmet?
My guess is that he'd be done in a week or 2 ..... and that would depend on how quickly he recovered from brain trauma from constantly leading with his helmet.
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