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I hope Colt is traded. The sooner the better.
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All that being said I again thnk Colt kinda had to fall on his sword for us last year and did. As a 3rd round pick Im not looking for tom brady but he was not the only problem on offense last season and I dont think the coaching staff feels he was either. Again jmho.
Nobody disputed that last season and this is what Shurmur said just a couple of days ago:
"We needed to get a running back, and I felt like we needed to upgrade at the quarterback position," coach Pat Shurmur said. "And then we needed to bring in a guy at the right tackle position who we could count on. Those were the three starting points, not to mention, what I thought was a good move on our part, to upgrade the receiver position."
RB, QB, RT and WR were part of the problem...that's pretty much what every Colt critic around here said during the season...and look at Shurmur's wording: they NEEDED a RB, simply because the had no no1 but they WANTED to upgrade at QB...that's like a girl you love telling you "to stay friends", lol...in other words: you're definitely NOT the ONE
it's a QB league and thus he was the biggest problem for most and they adressed it with a high pick, so it's safe to say they saw his production (or inability) as a main problem too and it really wasn't that hard to see with the naked eye....in my opinion this was one of the worst QB performances I have ever had to endure and with our recent history, that's saying something....what's astounding is that he still had so many supporters...I can't remember even DA having that many...and at least the guy flashed here and there
Whatever....Colt's history and we won't miss him
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...what to do?...it might depend on whom comes calling for one of our backup QBs and what they might be offering the Browns in trade.
When it comes to ability...Wallace is what he is...McCoy has room to get better and likely will.
If the Browns don't get an offer for either McCoy or Wallace, I say we go with both and McCoy likely moved to 3rd QB. At some point in the season, someone is going to need a quality backup QB...the Browns have two and don't have to give either of them away by simply cutting them.
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As a 3rd round pick Im not looking for tom brady but he was not the only problem on offense last season and I dont think the coaching staff feels he was either. Again jmho.
I don't think anybody thinks Colt was the ONLY problem on offense. But he certainly was A problem.
Trouble with this board is that when Colt's issues are pointed out by some posters, others respond by taking those arguments to ad absurdum. Those 1st posters get flustered then the others think it is funny and continue to try to egg on those 1st posters. Then the thread goes to crap. You know who you are. Don't make me call out names 
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The hater part that you keep wondering where it comes from is all last season it was McCoys fault the recievers looked bad. It was McCoys fault the line looked bad. It was McCoys fault that people got injured. McCoy if he had better weapons would not improve this team and would not improve himself no matter what the situation.
I gave you a quote to the contrary and I dont see the staff saying that McCoy was the reason we lost so much last year.
So sorry NIck, but yes the coaching staff has said that McCoy was ONE of the reasons we lost so much last year. And NO, no one is saying that he is the ONLY reason.
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Colt is a decent - maybe "solid" - backup. At best.
I'd rather have him backing up than seneca.
I agree he wasn't the only problem with our offence last year, but Colt was definitely part of it. You could almost start AND end with his arm strength, although it' wasn't his only issue (reads, & he is sometimes skittish), but his pop-gun arm is a liability in the modern NFL. Bottom line.
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Colt is a decent - maybe "solid" - backup. At best.
I'd rather have him backing up than seneca.
I agree he wasn't the only problem with our offence last year, but Colt was definitely part of it. You could almost start AND end with his arm strength, although it' wasn't his only issue (reads, & he is sometimes skittish), but his pop-gun arm is a liability in the modern NFL. Bottom line.
Now don't anyone take this with more than a grain of salt, but some reporters are actually saying that colt is looking way better this camp than previously.
They are NOT saying he's the man or will win the job.. not even close, but that he is reading better, throwing better and in general performing better.
This excites me.. reason? simple, whether he wins the starting job or not, he'll make a good back up. and there isn't a team in the league that doesn't need one of those.
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He looked pretty good last year in camp too. He's been pretty good when not facing pressure. That's never been his problem. In fairness, we still have to see how Weeds does when Ngata is breathing down his neck.
Now Shurmur has said that McCoy has stopped the "1st read covered, 2nd read covered, run" and is working through his progressions better. The ironic part is that Weeden is already going through his progressions as a rookie better than McCoy as a 3rd year player. (2nd year in this offense) .
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I am all for McCoy as back up. I think he has a bigger upside than Wallace.
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Weeden is already going through his progressions as a rookie better than McCoy as a 3rd year player. (2nd year in this offense) .
Kinda funny what having an offseason will do for you, eh?
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Weeden is already going through his progressions as a rookie better than McCoy as a 3rd year player. (2nd year in this offense) .
Kinda funny what having an offseason will do for you, eh?
Not to mention a whole bunch of shiny, new targets.
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Weeden is already going through his progressions as a rookie better than McCoy as a 3rd year player. (2nd year in this offense) .
Kinda funny what having an offseason will do for you, eh?
Not to mention a whole bunch of shiny, new targets.
So OTA's and one week of practice means more than an entire season with 3 weekly practices 16 games? Yeah, right.......
This IMO, is a big problem among much of the fan base. Trying to read more into something than there really is. In training camp, nobody is going to beat up on your QB's. Many times it's simply throwing drills.
In scrimages or simply playing pass and catch, many people look "good". Heck, the first time Colt......it was either played or started in a pre-season game (my memory fails me on whoch one), he went 13-13. Perfect!
The fact of the matter is, with or without training camp last year, as the season went on, practices keep going. Games kept going by. So the fact he should have looked bad early on I believe to be a realistic expectation.
But the fact is, as the games and practices progressed during the season last year, noticeable progress should have also been seen. Let's look at the math here.......
After 12 games, you have 48 quarters of game experince in the same system. With three practices a week, you have 36 practices also. Realisticly speaking, as these games and practices added up, so should the progression from your players. Including QB.
Now I'll address the "he didn't have a fair shot" part of it. Colt has had 21 starts. I agree with those who mention the weakness at WR. I agree with those who talk about needing help at RT and that having Pinkston combined with Lauvao at G's wasn't such a good thing either.
But what I believe many are trying to indicate by saying this, is that TH and MH dismissed these factors and based Colts job performance on what other players did or did not do. I think that idea is silly at best. Colt was judged on what Colt had control over. He was judged on what he did and did not do. What he could and could not do. Nothing else.
I honestly believe our record could have ended up the same or very close to it and Weeden would not have been drafted if they had actually seen progress in the things Colt had control over.
No matter the situation of the team around you, your QB can show progress. Such as....... Is he going through his progressions better? Is he becoming overall a more accurate QB? Is the strength and conditioning making his arm strength better? Is his ball placement in tight coverage progressing? As the season progressed, did he seem more confident in the new sysytem?
Colt isn't the RB. He doesn't catch the ball. He isn't a blocker on the OL. Our FO judges each player on how they do "their job". So to those who wish to blame the circumstances around Colt for what Colt did or did not do, on what he didn't improve on at his own position, I think you are all fooling yourselves.
To me, a QB is judged by comparing film of his first four games of a season, to the film of his last four games of that same season in his first two years. When comparing those two sets of film, if you see the same thing, your QB is not learning and making progress at "his job".
To try to say just because you didn't have a few weeks of practice at the very begining, is trying to say that somehow you shouldn't expect improvement over the course of an entire season.
That simply doesn't hold any weight......
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He looked pretty good last year in camp too. He's been pretty good when not facing pressure.
So then it's safe to say that if Weeden looks good at this point, it's not because he may not be facing pressure? or is that just a McCoy thing?
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He looked pretty good last year in camp too. He's been pretty good when not facing pressure.
So then it's safe to say that if Weeden looks good at this point, it's not because he may not be facing pressure? or is that just a McCoy thing?
I love it when people quote one sentence, and then completely ignore the ones that follow.
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It just amazes me how you could ignore that last sentence, as if I never said it at all.
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Why bother, with you, everything is colt did that, didn't do that isn't any good, won't be good
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Why bother, with you, everything is colt did that, didn't do that isn't any good, won't be good
What other NFL teams do you think would want to aquire Colt as their starter? Seems if one wanted to do that he would have been traded, don't you think?
And please tell me what major improvements in Colts skill set have you seen since he was drafted to indicate he will be good/improve greatly?
I keep hearing how someone who states things very close to my beliefs getting called a hater.
Yet I have seen nobody show any evidence that indicates why he is wrong about the things he has said?
Obviously our FO saw many things to indicate he wasn't really improving and wasn't going to make it as an NFL starter. So why is it when someone points these things out they're the bad guy?
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From the highlights I saw today, Colt made two of the best passes I have seen him make since he has been here and one was a monster bomb and the other a 12 yard out pattern. Both hit Benjamin right in his hands and then hit the ground. Last year, that out pattern he would not have even attempted and the bomb he would have underthrown by 10 yards.
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He looked pretty good last year in camp too. He's been pretty good when not facing pressure. That's never been his problem. In fairness, we still have to see how Weeds does when Ngata is breathing down his neck.
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Why bother, with you, everything is colt did that, didn't do that isn't any good, won't be good
Well you did leave out the last sentence that plainly indicates that Weeden also needed to be tested under real game, pressure situations before we would know how he handles it. Then you turned around and asked him something he had already addressed.
So how is that his fault again? Are you running for Congress this year? Because politicians cherry pick exactly like that.
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Well we really wont know anything until the 1st actual game of the season. Even the first pre-season game is not a great test as we saw last year against GB.
I like Weeden and from all reports hes going to be a much better QB outta the box then any other QB we have here. Add in we have upgraded the WR, RB and RT positions its not suprising that even working with the 2nds McCoy has looked better in camp this year.
I dont think there are many here that have problems with saying we needed to upgrade the QB position. We may still need to for all we know, but when you blame only 1 person (McCoy) for everything from the dropped balls to getting sacked to bad coaching some of us like to (just as you guys do with Colt) point out areas that also needed improvement last year.
Remember some of these same so called haters were all in on RGIII and felt that because we didnt give up the whole draft to get him the FO failed and we were going to be decades behinid the league. Now we used those picks to get a RB QB RT and by extention a WR (sup draft) and still have our 1st round pick next year.
In the end, I guess if you think that whole debacle of a season was soley Colt's fault (which some did all of last season) then Im not going to able to change your mind. I however feel it was alot of things and he was but just 1 of many of the problems.
I hope that he continues to improve and becomes one of the best back up QB's in the league during his time here.
Now on a side note Im starting to get a little spooked by they INT's Im hearing we are tossing in camp. Im hope that once we get closer to the season Coach will start to teach them to protect the ball better.
I've heard Weeden say that he is learning everytime he does toss a pick so I'm impressed with his learning and understanding of how important that is.
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Why bother, with you, everything is colt did that, didn't do that isn't any good, won't be good
Well you did leave out the last sentence that plainly indicates that Weeden also needed to be tested under real game, pressure situations before we would know how he handles it. Then you turned around and asked him something he had already addressed.
So how is that his fault again? Are you running for Congress this year? Because politicians cherry pick exactly like that.
Yes, I did miss that comment by him, but again, look at the history of Ytown and his thoughts on McCoy. and no, I'm never going to run for any office,
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I hope that [Colt] continues to improve and becomes one of the best back up QB's in the league during his time here.
I hope Colt continues to improve but that Weeden plays great, never gets injured, and starts for us for a long long time and we never find out if Colt is any good at being a backup Qb 
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So in other words, you never miss a chance to whine and complain ...... justified or not. Got it.  
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I hope Colt continues to improve but that Weeden plays great, never gets injured, and starts for us for a long long time and we never find out if Colt is any good at being a backup Qb
ROFL save a seat for me because I'm on that train as well.
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So in other words, you never miss a chance to whine and complain ...... justified or not.
Got it.
Yup,, just like you can't get yourself to cool it on the McCoy hate train...
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You mean the way that you ignore what is written? Got it.
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You mean the way that you ignore what is written? Got it.
No. He means they way you ignore what you have written. Hey, you got daman in a "gotcha" moment. Good one.
Your history precedes you though.
No one on here - and I mean NO ONE - thought mccoy was the answer. At best, people said he might get better. Not you though. You brought up, and still do, his shortcomings, constantly.
It's humorous actually. DC nailed you in his post.
Look, we all got what we wanted - and YOU especially - in a first round qb. Colt is NOT the starter this year - you do understand that, right?
Weeden is. From everything I've heard, he's doing well, for a rookie, and regardless of his age, his is just that - a rookie. I look for a much improved qb situation this year. And I don't base that at all on what you say.
Throw in what we hope is an improved line, add a running game, and some recievers - there should be no way our offense isn't much improved over last year.
I fully expect Weeden to have a few 'wth" moments, as all rookies do. But I guarantee, I will not be blaming our season on him, as you did with colt last year. And, by the same token, I doubt if we go 10-6 this year I will give all the kudos to Weeden, as my guess is you will.
But yes, ytown, your posts concerning mccoy over the last year have been read, ad nauseum, by everyone. YOU, sir, are the one guilty of apparently not remembering your posting history.
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Oh that is absolute BS. I heard how "If only we put more talent around McCoy ....." and other such stuff ..... while I argued that it was possible to evaluate him even without high end talent around him based on how he played, the decisions he made, throws he made, etc.
Those arguments have kinda died off now ..... but they were a constant response to any criticism I had for McCoy last year, and into this off-season.
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Oh that is absolute BS. I heard how "If only we put more talent around McCoy ....." and other such stuff ..... while I argued that it was possible to evaluate him even without high end talent around him based on how he played, the decisions he made, throws he made, etc.
Those arguments have kinda died off now ..... but they were a constant response to any criticism I had for McCoy last year, and into this off-season.
Myself, I think those are legitimate responses. You don't? It's hard to decide if the qb is THE problem if there's no running game, your receivers lead the league in dropped passes, no off season to learn the system, etc.
Now, you'll probably reply along the lines of "arch is a colt apologist", or whatever.
What sensible people see is this: the deck was stacked against colt, and he couldn't over come it. That doesn't mean we thought he was great but being held back, it means we saw he couldn't do it all himself with the shortcomings he personally had.
We now have a brand new shiny first round qb - who is dead on accurate, will get us long pass plays every game, a brand new what should be stud running back, new receivers, and what we hope is an improved line.
We should make good strides on offense. And again, I fully expect Weeden to mess up some, he's a rookie. That stuff is expected to a certain degree.
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As I said, I think that you can evaluate a QB regardless of what happens around him on almost everything.
Evidently the front office and coaching staff agree with my position. McCoy is now the backup. He may not even be on this team come game 1. If they thought that he was fine, but those around him were the problem, then they would have added another supporting piece instead of Weeds. They didn't.
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As I said, I think that you can evaluate a QB regardless of what happens around him on almost everything.
Evidently the front office and coaching staff agree with my position. McCoy is now the backup. He may not even be on this team come game 1. If they thought that he was fine, but those around him were the problem, then they would have added another supporting piece instead of Weeds. They didn't.
And, what it is really, is, they took a flyer on a 3rd round qb that wasn't expected to see the field his first year.
I don't think you'll be able to show me many 3rd round qbs that excelled in year 2 in the nfl. Correct?
We have little invested in him, and, we got our first round guy this year, plus a few more pieces for our new qb to work with.
It's really simple - if you don't overthink it, and over blame it.
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Oh, I also love how you always pull the "the front office and coaches agree with me" crap.
Dude, colt was a 3rd round pick, not expected to see the field in year 1. Under a brand new offense, with no off season, he regressed, as did the entire team.
Show me a team with a 3rd round qb that is drafting in the top 5 that doesn't take a qb.
And for the record, you are aware that seneca, with all his "experience" in this offense, pretty much looked clueless when he played, right?
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As I said, I think that you can evaluate a QB regardless of what happens around him on almost everything.
Evidently the front office and coaching staff agree with my position. McCoy is now the backup. He may not even be on this team come game 1. If they thought that he was fine, but those around him were the problem, then they would have added another supporting piece instead of Weeds. They didn't.
And there in is the real problem. You say that now and as said by most people nobody said Colt was best thing sense sliced bread. We saw a struggling QB under a new system with no time to prepare.
We saw a QB who through an NFL lockout took it upon himself to hold team practices and try to contact a former NFL great QB to help him learn the new system. I personally liked his dedication to trying to be the best QB he could be.
You on the other hand told us he made the recievers worse, the defense worse, the line worse, the coaching look bad, caused injurys and was the whole reason for anything bad the team was doing. If Dawson missed a FG it was because of McCoy.
Almost everyone understood that McCoy had his faults but the whole debacle that was last season could not be laid upon his feet either. As Arch said no one has any problem admitting McCoy has his weaknesses, problem is you cant accept he was not the only reason for every problem on this team last year.
You were about to blow a gasket because we didnt get RGII you were so firm in your belief that McCoy was the worst QB ever in the history of the league and were willing to give up all the weapons we have obtained this year to do so, saying the QB would make the OL/RB/WR/defense better and we didnt need to address those as long as we got a QB.
Now that we have all those things, and found a new QB as well, we hear oh the staff agreed with me, we needed an upgrade on QB. Its laughable. We needed an upgrade on all those things, but they didnt say the only thing holding this team back is the QB position which is what you have been saying..
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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No one on here - and I mean NO ONE - thought mccoy was the answer.
Oh that is absolute BS. I heard how "If only we put more talent around McCoy ....." and other such stuff ..... while I argued that it was possible to evaluate him even without high end talent around him based on how he played, the decisions he made, throws he made, etc.
Those arguments have kinda died off now ..... but they were a constant response to any criticism I had for McCoy last year, and into this off-season.
man, you wanna talk BS.. There it is.. even me, Purp and others,, all we've ever said is, we'd like to see what he could do with some talent around him and not one of us said for sure that HE'S THE GUY that can get us where we want to be.
All that I remember being said is, if only we could see him with a Right Tackle, a running game, Receivers that fought for the ball and an off season prep..
But you took that to mean, WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS THE GUY.. and that's just not the case.
I feel exactly the same way today that I did at the end of the season. What if? and now that we've gotten weeden, we'll never know. But that's all well and good if Weeden is everything we all hope he is.
Then came the beatings on McCoy by Peen and you and others that he shouldn't even be kept as the back up.., and the reason given,,, Ha,, If weeden struggles, the fans will call for McCoy.. (as if they wouldn't call for Joe Schmoo if he's the back up)
What a freakin joke..
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This thread name should be changed to McCoy Vs Wallace. Their is no competition with Weeden. Nothing to see here.....
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Well we really wont know anything until the 1st actual game of the season. Even the first pre-season game is not a great test as we saw last year against GB.
I like Weeden and from all reports hes going to be a much better QB outta the box then any other QB we have here. Add in we have upgraded the WR, RB and RT positions its not suprising that even working with the 2nds McCoy has looked better in camp this year.
I don't really think we'll know until we can compare weeks 1-4 to weeks 12-16. What you see over any rookies first season tells you a lot. Did he improve at the things he's in control of? With a QB it has a lot to do with accuracy, the speed of the game, going through his progressions and ball placement to name a few. These are things that a QB is in control of wheather or not the people around him play to their potential or not.
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I dont think there are many here that have problems with saying we needed to upgrade the QB position. We may still need to for all we know, but when you blame only 1 person (McCoy) for everything from the dropped balls to getting sacked to bad coaching some of us like to (just as you guys do with Colt) point out areas that also needed improvement last year.
I wouldn't be so hasty with that one. Firstly, I don't and didn't "blame Colt for everything". Actually, I don't blame him for anything. The kid gave it 100% and worked his tail off out there. Your abilities or lack there of aren't any inducation of how hard you worked or tried.
And secondly, if your in a thread talking about QB's, I generaly talk about QB's. Though I have been known to go off subject on occasion. So if you want to start a thread about last years OL play, or WR play, I'd be happy to show you just how much I don't "blame everything on colt".
Problem being, he simply wasn't progressing after 21 starts. Colt isn't a WR. He isn't on the OL. Those players are judged at how they learn and progress just like Colt is.
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Remember some of these same so called haters were all in on RGIII and felt that because we didnt give up the whole draft to get him the FO failed and we were going to be decades behinid the league. Now we used those picks to get a RB QB RT and by extention a WR (sup draft) and still have our 1st round pick next year.
I wasn't on that bandwagon. I really don't like mortgaging your future of a QB. With a young team in need of talent, you can't build through the draft if you have no draft.
As I am not a hater of Colt, I wasn't hatin' on them making an offer for RGIII, but I was really glad somebody else went way over the top and we didn't have to give up next years first.
I'm not crazy about drafting a three time offender ( that he was actually caught at anyway) that lied to the fan base right off the bat but that's for another topic.
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In the end, I guess if you think that whole debacle of a season was soley Colt's fault (which some did all of last season) then Im not going to able to change your mind. I however feel it was alot of things and he was but just 1 of many of the problems.
No, I certainly feel we had a lot more problems than Colt. We saw them addressed via the draft. Our WR's were poor, we needed help on the OL and we really didn't have much of a running game.
The part that gets to me, is many fans act like our FO had no clue. That Colt ended up being some kind of sacrificial lamb for eveyone elses failures and that's simply not true.
You mentioned weak WR's. They too are in the process of losing their jobs. You mentioned the OL. We addressed the RT position in the draft and I honestly feel we will still have to upgrade at least one of our G's.
But you see, each player is judged on "their performance, at their position". So while I don't blame Colt for everything, I do feel he wasn't judged unfairly. I explained above some of the things they look at when judgeing a QB. After 21 starts, if you aren't going through your read progressions, that's your fault. If you aren't learning to be more accurate with your ball placement, that's not the fault of the WR's. So all I am saying is that the FO judged Colt on what Colt does and his progress.
His arm didn't get stronger. His accuracy on his long ball wasn't getting better. He wasn't going through his read progressions well. The other 10 players on the field have nothing to do with that.
I think anyone who knows jack about football knows Colt wasn't the "only problem", but he was one of the problems....
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I hope that he continues to improve and becomes one of the best back up QB's in the league during his time here.
I would say your expectations are quite possible. Once you yourself religate him to the role of "back-up" it appears to at least some extent, you saw some of the same things I saw.
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Now on a side note Im starting to get a little spooked by they INT's Im hearing we are tossing in camp. Im hope that once we get closer to the season Coach will start to teach them to protect the ball better.
I've heard Weeden say that he is learning everytime he does toss a pick so I'm impressed with his learning and understanding of how important that is.
I'm not at all concerned by it. Actually that's a part of what he should be doing as a rookie in training camp.
The speed of the game is totaly different. It's a time where you see what you can get away with, and what you can't. A time to learn to make adjustments to the new speed of the game. Actually, IMO, if he weren't out there throwing some picks, I would think they're playing it too safe with him and really not testing him.
Any time you move to a higher level of competiton, there are adjustments and a learning process. That's why I feel Colt was given 21 starts. You have to see if a guy is improving at "his job". It will be no different for Weeden.
I'd rather see him get his feet wet early and get familiar with the new speed of the game in training camp and pre-season, than during the regular season.
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Yes, I did miss that comment by him, but again, look at the history of Ytown and his thoughts on McCoy. and no, I'm never going to run for any office,
Glad to see you aren't entering the political arena. That would certainly worry me about the direction your life was heading in during my absence.
In all honesty, we are a bunch of very passionate fans. Sometimes we go to lengths to try to get our point across.
So on one hand, I've seen a lot of Colt apologists. Blaming everything but Colt for last season. By contrast, I've seen what is percieved to be Colt haters.
I really don't feel that there are very many of either. I do feel that some wish to make their point that not everything was Colts fault. But in doing that, they fail to recognize just how much of it was.
On the other hand, I feel many people think that some don't see the part that was Colts fault so what is known as haters, do the exact same thing to the opposite spectrum.
Soon sides are picked and people are labeled and.......Here we go again.....
I know Y Town has gone over the top on occasion to try to make his point. Just like I know Colts apologists have gone over the top and fail to take any accountability for Colts failure to progress and weaknesses.
It's a two edged sword and I don't have a horse in the race. But I do think people should be objective and accept the fact that Colt wasn't improving nearly enough in the things "he had controlover". The same could be said for the OL, the WR's and the lack of a running game.
They too were also addressed in the draft to further indicate they too were a part of the problem. So why can't we all just accept these things and move forard rather than label each other and try to nitpick everything each other has to say?
Colts starting days are behind him. Weeden is our new starter. And like it or not, had this FO not have seen a lot of the things Y Town has brought up, why on earth did they feel a strong need to draft a QB in round 1? whay the attempted high price to be paid for RGIII? Why is it so many wish to dwell in the past rather than look to the future? At least in regards to our roster and direction we are headed in?
I'm not on a side here, but at "this point in time", it seems that the piling on effect about a former starter is a little "Junior High Schoolish" at best. And I'm not directing this to you especially. But please, don't join in with the mob mentality. You're better than that.
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I agree with this sentiment, and I think McCoy > Wallace as a back up option for many of the same reasons others have mentioned. Mainly, we know what we're going to get with Seneca, and I don't get why so many people have written off Colt. He's obviously not "The Guy" Why run him out of town. He's a solid young QB, with NFL experience who knows the team and the offense, and he will get better as he gets more confident. (Something that I dont think ever would have happened if he started this year.) Colt's a decent, maybe solid option. I see Seneca as a maybe decent option... at best. Quote:
Colt is a decent - maybe "solid" - backup. At best.
I'd rather have him backing up than seneca.
I agree he wasn't the only problem with our offence last year, but Colt was definitely part of it. You could almost start AND end with his arm strength, although it' wasn't his only issue (reads, & he is sometimes skittish), but his pop-gun arm is a liability in the modern NFL. Bottom line.
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