|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
My guess is that Holmgren is out, to be replaced by Banner.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
My guess is that Holmgren is out, to be replaced by Banner.
Can't wait till someone interviews Jim Brown... 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
My guess is that Holmgren is out, to be replaced by Banner.
and the changes will trickle down from there....
tear down, rebuild.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
We *finally* have stability at every level of the organization... so, what do we do? We change it all at the very, very top so it can roll all the way back down.
Well done, Browns. Well done.
Gotta love this crap sandwich that we root for.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,032
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,032 |
Quote:
Quote:
Jay Schottenstein apparently wants to make a bid too, that was reported by Jim Donovan.
And the plot thickens 
From the sounds of what I'm hearing, I'd much rather Schott buy the team than the other group. In either case, I really hope they let this current group ride out their plan. I LOATHE our current coach, but like Heckert. I'd like to see if Shurmur improves this year though.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
Both Heckert and Shurmur worked for Banner when he was "president" of the Eagles.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
Both Heckert and Shurmur worked for Banner when he was "president" of the Eagles.
And?
Yes, there's a connection from the past, but that means very, very little.
When new leaders come aboard, they like to make it their own.... so that they can claim the success.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
It shortens everyones leash up REAL quick. Same way a young QB never gets a fair shake when a new Coach comes in. There is no emotional connection, you're not "my guy" so why should I stick by you if it's not going great? If this gets done before this season starts, the need for winning a certain amount of games may go up... And if we come out and struggle. Why would the new owners feel the need to stick with anyone? regardless of how long they've been here? 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,865
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,865 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I can report that I’ve been approached by Mr. Jimmy Haslam, who is interested in making an investment in the Cleveland Browns.
Someone help me out here,. if you read that clip from the Lerner Quote, where does it say the Browns are for sale?
How can this guy own part of the Browns and part of the steelers..
I was listening to the radio a moment ago and all they are talking about is that the Browns are for sale and the potential list of owners is growing by the moment LOL
Because if he bought the team outright then he is making an investment. Pretty much everyone is saying this is a sale and not a "partnership." Even league sources are saying that stipulations were made that in event the Browns are Sold they can not move the team from Cleveland. I don't think they would have talked about that if it wasn't an outright sale.
Well, I ain't gonna worry about it until Randy doesn't own it anymore. This is dumb by the way. Getting the team to this point, looking like it could actually be good and BOOM,, he sells it.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643 |
Quote:
Quote:
My guess is that Holmgren is out, to be replaced by Banner.
and the changes will trickle down from there....
tear down, rebuild.
Wash. Rince. Repeat.
We *finally* have stability at every level of the organization... so, what do we do? We change it all at the very, very top so it can roll all the way back down.
Well done, Browns. Well done.
Gotta love this crap sandwich that we root for.
I sure hope not....
Im gonna hold off on a panic attack for now.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660 |
By Pat McManamon and Zac Jackson FOXSportsOhio.com Signs point to the sale of the Cleveland Browns being completed this fall. Sources with knowledge of the talks said discussions to sell the Browns have been taking place since the late spring, but can’t be completed until October of 2012.
That is the expiration date of a 10-year moratorium on selling the team, a moratorium Al Lerner asked of his family before he passed away in October of 2002, according to a source familiar with the inner workings of the Browns front office.That is one contributing factor in the team’s sale taking place now. The team would be purchased by Jimmy Haslam, a Tennessee businessman who is a minority owner of the Steelers. Haslam would obviously have to sell his interest in the Steelers before buying the Browns. Another factor in the sale could be simple timing. Joe Banner resigned as president of the Eagles in the spring with the desire of putting together a group to buy a team. Howard Eskin of NBC Channel 10 in Philadephia reported that Banner is part of Haslam’s group. Eskin originally reported on June 7 that Banner wanted to buy a team, and the Browns were one that could be bought. That led the Browns to release a statement that said, “the Browns are not for sale.” They might not have been … until Haslam’s offer was known. Nobody knows what Haslam is willing to pay, but the fact that Randy Lerner released a personal statement indicates the sale is real, and the price is fair. The team will not move, though. The first thing Lerner asked for and received was a guarantee that the team not leave Cleveland. Another factor in the timing could be that Randy Lerner’s son decided to transfer to a school in New York after attending St. Ignatius as a freshman. Lerner and his son are close, and he had bought a new home in Lakewood in part because he wanted a place that worked for his son and him. The transfer to New York might affect the situation. During its ownership, the Lerner family dealt with some significant criticism over losing, criticism that hurt Norma Lerner, Al’s wife and Randy’s mother. The family has been extremely generous to the city of Cleveland. The Cleveland Clinic’s breast cancer recovery wing is named after Al and Norma Lerner, and the Lerner Research Institute is at the Clinic’s main campus. Those are just the donations the public is aware of. The Lerners frequently wondered at what they felt was excessive personal criticism as they tried to right the Browns listing ship. How the sale affects the team as training camp starts will be interesting to watch. Lerner said in his statement: “Care has been taken so that this process will not be disruptive to the organization, in particular the football team, as it prepares for the upcoming season.” But the front office and coaching staff all will be working with an uncertain future, as new ownership often wants to hire its own people. General manager Tom Heckert worked with Banner in Philadelphia, and coach Pat Shurmur was an assistant with the Eagles when Banner was in the front office. The Browns opened camp with some excitement about new additions, especially on offense. But the uncertainty about the sale of the team will have an effect. It usually does, no matter how hard people work to see that it doesn’t. Tags: NFL, browns, cleveland browns web page
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/FL_Dawg/Logo5_1.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563 |
Quote:
Quote:
Both Heckert and Shurmur worked for Banner when he was "president" of the Eagles.
And?
Yes, there's a connection from the past, but that means very, very little.
When new leaders come aboard, they like to make it their own.... so that they can claim the success.
While I agree, I can think of few people more qualified to organize an organization than Joe Banner, if it does come to that.
you had a good run Hank.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I can report that I’ve been approached by Mr. Jimmy Haslam, who is interested in making an investment in the Cleveland Browns.
Someone help me out here,. if you read that clip from the Lerner Quote, where does it say the Browns are for sale?
How can this guy own part of the Browns and part of the steelers..
I was listening to the radio a moment ago and all they are talking about is that the Browns are for sale and the potential list of owners is growing by the moment LOL
Because if he bought the team outright then he is making an investment. Pretty much everyone is saying this is a sale and not a "partnership." Even league sources are saying that stipulations were made that in event the Browns are Sold they can not move the team from Cleveland. I don't think they would have talked about that if it wasn't an outright sale.
Well, I ain't gonna worry about it until Randy doesn't own it anymore. This is dumb by the way. Getting the team to this point, looking like it could actually be good and BOOM,, he sells it.
Wouldn't that be the BEST time to sell it?
Think about when Gordon Gund sold the Cavs, right before we hit our boom. Once you reach the top, you can't go any higher.
If I'm Randy, and I eventually want to sell, and I have a team that LOOKS LIKE it may be on the way up, now is the time to sell, before we may find out that we aren't on the way up...
Knaw mean?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,551
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,551 |
Everyone on the same page top to bottom, exciting draft with camp starting and boom there goes any and all excitement I had for this team. It will be torn down again right after we have the lip service of how the new ownership is pleased with the regime in place.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
but can’t be completed until October of 2012.
That is the expiration date of a 10-year moratorium on selling the team, a moratorium Al Lerner asked of his family before he passed away in October of 2002, according to a source familiar with the inner workings of the Browns front office.
Is it me, or does that make it sound like Randy has been WAITING till he was able to sell it?
Nothing against the guy, He kind of got dragged into it in a way. If he isn't in it all the way then more power to him for getting out.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517 |
So what's the big deal?
Junior's had the team for 10 years and he has flat out sucked as an owner.
This is a very,very young team,who may or maynot live up to it's perceived potential.
If this team comes out in Sept and lays an egg,many of you chicken little's will be hoorahing the new owners,and calling for the heads of all the FO people.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532 |
I see it that way as well....seems like he just waited it out in respect for his father.
#brownsgoodkarma
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,551
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,551 |
Holmgren confirms sale would transfer controlling interest in Browns Posted by Mike Florio on July 27, 2012, 2:16 PM EDT Mike Holmgren AP Hours after a vague statement didn’t specify whether Browns owner Randy Lerner is talking to Steelers minority owner about selling a slice, the controlling chunk, or all of the franchise, team president Mike Holmgren has clarified the situation. Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Holmgren says Lerner is selling the controlling interest in the team. Holmgren also says the Browns won’t be leaving Cleveland. However, Holmgren declined to address whether he would be leaving Cleveland. He said questions regarding his status will be “answered down the road.” That likely means Holmgren eventually will be moving on, and moving out. With Lerner making avoiding disruption to the team his top priority, if Holmgren were staying, he’d say so. The deal, per Cabot, is close. Which means that Holmgren’s future likely already has been addressed. Our guess? He remains in place through the 2012 season, then walks away. web page
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660 |
Quote:
Quote:
but can’t be completed until October of 2012.
That is the expiration date of a 10-year moratorium on selling the team, a moratorium Al Lerner asked of his family before he passed away in October of 2002, according to a source familiar with the inner workings of the Browns front office.
Is it me, or does that make it sound like Randy has been WAITING till he was able to sell it?
Nothing against the guy, He kind of got dragged into it in a way. If he isn't in it all the way then more power to him for getting out.
I personally have had my reservations as to weather Randy was living out his dreams or that of his late father.
The sale sounds eminent to me.
I highlighted the date, because it was the first that I have read about any such agreement ... also of note was the wishes of his father that the team not be moved in the event of any sale.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,986
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,986 |
Quote:
Randy Lerner’s son decided to transfer to a school in New York after attending St. Ignatius as a freshman
I didnt know that I live next to St. Ignatius. I can see it now out my window.
Joe Thomas #73
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
So what's the big deal?
Junior's had the team for 10 years and he has flat out sucked as an owner.
Out of curiosity, how has he sucked?
He realized that he's not the person to make football decisions and put people in charge to do that for him; and spending money has never been an issue..... so, where's the problem?
Quote:
This is a very,very young team,who may or maynot live up to it's perceived potential.
If this team comes out in Sept and lays an egg,many of you chicken little's will be hoorahing the new owners,and calling for the heads of all the FO people.
Not me, I fully expect us to suck this year. I'm intelligent enough to realize that the current owners don't make the football decisions, and I kinda absolutely detest pesky, intrusive, egomaniacal owners like Jerry Jones, so I don't see me embracing new owners that want to insert themselves into the middle of things. As for our FO - I hated that we made the changes we made last offseason, but now that we've made them, I'm fully on board with seeing where it goes, regardless of the outcome of this season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
Our guess? He remains in place through the 2012 season, then walks away.
Holmgren may get a bad rap around here, some feel he botched the Mangini situation (regardless of what he did it wasn't a good situation)
Then the idea of him pushing to bring in McCoy. Signing and trading for Jake/Seneca... He was supposed to be the "QB Guru" but it hasn't been that great so far...
But here's the thing. Holmgren has hitched his wagon to the Weeden/Shurmur train. So regardless of what happens these likely would have been his last aquisitions here.
I just hope he gets to see it through.
(Temper your excitement) If Weeden and Shurmur are on stage passing around the Lombardi trophy in 2-3 years, and they hand it off to the new Owner, but Holmgren is at home watching it on TV..? Knowing he built it?
In other news: As long as we keep Heckert. I'm fine with anything pretty much. Dude is good.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
Holmgren also says the Browns won’t be leaving Cleveland.
He also said that the team wasn't for sale.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563 |
Quote:
Quote:
So what's the big deal?
Junior's had the team for 10 years and he has flat out sucked as an owner.
Out of curiosity, how has he sucked?
He realized that he's not the person to make football decisions and put people in charge to do that for him; and spending money has never been an issue..... so, where's the problem?
Because almost all the people he has put in place ended up having way too much power and self destructing.
you had a good run Hank.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,199
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,199 |
J / C...
This may be a good thing for this team..I'm looking forward to it..jmo....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
Quote:
The Cleveland Browns are very close to being sold to a minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
The sale of the team to Tennessee businessman Jimmy Haslam is well down the road.
Well at least those two back-to-back sentences clear up the timeframe.
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
So what's the big deal?
Junior's had the team for 10 years and he has flat out sucked as an owner.
Out of curiosity, how has he sucked?
He realized that he's not the person to make football decisions and put people in charge to do that for him; and spending money has never been an issue..... so, where's the problem?
Because almost all the people he has put in place ended up having way too much power and self destructing.
It's called a learning curve. He had the whole thing dumped on him, and learned and adapted as he went. This isn't a video game, he can't just follow a set formula and automagically have everything work out all good.... he tried to emulate a few different models of success along the way before coming to where he is. He leaned heavily on guys like Robert Kraft for advice.
You can't blame Lerner for Opie being an asshat.
What's currently assembled seems to be working pretty good.... so, it seems like he may finally have found a model that we can emulate here; or more accurately, he may have finally hit on people who can work together and foster a stable environment.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,511
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,511 |
Wow - i had no idea this was going on... but not overly surprised... I think Lerner has a love for Cleveland and his father, which is why he tried to do right with the Browns, but as one article said, I think he's taken a lot of unneeded heat, and I can see him wanting out.
as for the new owner... as long as he understands the tradition and he doesn't screw with this FO too much I'm fine with it.... I really want H&H to stay because it seems like we are on the right track now... and they both seem to understand the fans...
will be intersting...
<><
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660 |
Quote:
Quote:
Holmgren also says the Browns won’t be leaving Cleveland.
He also said that the team wasn't for sale.
Perhaps he wasn't privy to the possibility at the time and he was quoting what his information was at the time he made that statement.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517 |
Speaking as a fan,the most important criteria to judging an owner would be winning.
The second would be hiring the proper people to accomplish No.1.
Thirdly,staying out of the football people's way.
He has been great at the least important,and failed miserably at the most.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563 |
I'm not disagreeing, but I think an owner who WANTS to be here, who wants to run the team, and wants to take a large interest in the team is needed. Things didn't really start to improve here until we had multiple levels of people, giving Holmgren the keys to the franchise then going from there.
I think having that next level gives us a more competent organization. I'm glad Lerner is getting out if he really doesn't have that much interest in owning the Browns. I also, very much hope that we keep this current regime...or actually just Heckert. I love his ability to assemble a team. Holmgren can go, he doesn't do much for me and would easily be replaced by Banner.
you had a good run Hank.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Holmgren also says the Browns won’t be leaving Cleveland.
He also said that the team wasn't for sale.
Perhaps he wasn't privy to the possibility at the time and he was quoting what his information was at the time he made that statement.
Perhaps he still isn't privy.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Quote:
Speaking as a fan,the most important criteria to judging an owner would be winning.
The second would be hiring the proper people to accomplish No.1.
Thirdly,staying out of the football people's way.
He has been great at the least important,and failed miserably at the most.
Yep.
I'm sure if you had been the owner. Instead of hiring guys like Romeo and Savage, you would of hired the best up and coming Player Evaluater, and a 3 time Super Bowl winning assistant...
...Wait.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660 |
Quote:
I just hope he gets to see it through.
(Temper your excitement) If Weeden and Shurmur are on stage passing around the Lombardi trophy in 2-3 years, and they hand it off to the new Owner, but Holmgren is at home watching it on TV..? Knowing he built it?
I would hope for the same, but I could see this being his final year too.
If we where to be so lucky a few years down the road, then I hope that any such new owner would have the class to honor the man like he was honored just recently in GB.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
Speaking as a fan,the most important criteria to judging an owner would be winning.
The second would be hiring the proper people to accomplish No.1.
Thirdly,staying out of the football people's way.
He has been great at the least important,and failed miserably at the most.
Understood, but I think people tend to think that it's just a matter of waving a magic wand or writing a check to make the first two happen. Newsflash: it doesn't work that way.
And, if you don't get the second item right and then do the third item, you stand little chance of having the first one happen.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
Quote:
I'm not disagreeing, but I think an owner who WANTS to be here, who wants to run the team, and wants to take a large interest in the team is needed. Things didn't really start to improve here until we had multiple levels of people, giving Holmgren the keys to the franchise then going from there.
I think having that next level gives us a more competent organization. I'm glad Lerner is getting out if he really doesn't have that much interest in owning the Browns. I also, very much hope that we keep this current regime...or actually just Heckert. I love his ability to assemble a team. Holmgren can go, he doesn't do much for me and would easily be replaced by Banner.
An owner that wants to do right by the team is ALL that is needed. All he NEEDS to do is find the people to run it that are capable.
EVERYTHING else, and I mean EVERYTHING else, that you listed is things that fans WANT to see, not things that are NEEDED.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,986
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,986 |
Quote:
but I think an owner who WANTS to be here, who wants to run the team , and wants to take a large interest in the team is needed.
who wants to run the team
No No No No. I do not want an owner who wants to run the team!!!!!
Joe Thomas #73
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
Quote:
Quote:
but I think an owner who WANTS to be here, who wants to run the team , and wants to take a large interest in the team is needed.
who wants to run the team
No No No No. I do not want an owner who wants to run the team!!!!!
Joe Banner could be a minority owner and he helped run the Eagles before. It would not be a "Snyder" situation if he "ran" the team.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Holmgren also says the Browns won’t be leaving Cleveland.
He also said that the team wasn't for sale.
Perhaps he wasn't privy to the possibility at the time and he was quoting what his information was at the time he made that statement.
Perhaps he still isn't privy.
I'm just saying that Perhaps they where not his words and that he was echoing Randy's.
I can't hold him accountable for Randy's actions after the fact.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,171 |
and I'm pointing out that no matter what, what was said is obviously not true... so what reason is there to put any stock at all into what is said now?
Ok, there's the part where team execs would - quite literally - get shot if they tried to move the team again, but beyond that, I see no reason to believe them.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
Quote:
The guy is a minority owner of the Steelers. What is he expect to say? "Nope, I hate the Steelers, GO COWBOYS!"
you totally missed the point. How is he going to love the Steelers and the Browns?
You don't have to love a company to invest in it. You only have to believe it's a money-maker.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns are in the process of being
sold
|
|
