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I'm scared the team is going to move, I don't believe these guys.
Okay, well then how about this:
You don't spend $900 million to buy the team, pay off the city and then likely pay the city back for taking our tax money that we used to build the stadium and sue the Browns for it. Meanwhile, these same people will have to build a new stadium, pay the city for the land for the new stadium, and then pray that the team is able to turn as much of a profit as it has here.
If you really, truly believe that Haslam is going to do all of that to get to a mediocre fanbase with not a lot of money difference than Cleveland, then I don't know what to tell you.
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My fear is this is the end of Heckert, Shurmur, and some the players we have acquired over the last few years.
In other words, another reboot.
For the first time in a long time, I've loved what we've done the last few years. I feel like we are on the right track.
I don't want another reboot.
I think that the majority of us share that opinion. It would be almost overwhelming and many would jump ship or at least lose interest.
Yours truly included.
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There's something to be said by buying a team that could be on the incline and just let it be. If Holmgren should go I dont believe we'd miss a beat at this point.
They may ride this wave out, see if it works, how long it goes then do their thing later. I'd like my new team to come out of the gates a potential winner rather than start back at ground zero!
Of course I dont have these guys egos...
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I'd be done too.
Because it's always going to be something with this franchise.
It always is.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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(On if there is a timetable for when this will get done)
“I can’t answer that. Honestly, I really can’t answer that right now. All I go by is league protocols and what has to happen there. I know nothing is finalized until the league votes on it.”
(On if Joe Banner is a part of this)
“I don’t know. I honestly don’t know.”
(On the report that this deal is close to being done)
“Like I said, sometimes you guys have a little more knowledge than I do. I don’t know. I can’t comment on that.”
(On if Jimmy Haslam is purchasing a local printing company)
"Our season ticket holders will be pleased to know Mr. Haslam is interested in investing in Cleveland, not just the Browns franchise."
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On a side note: I'll bet this move will make Peen happy that a homeboy of his could be the owner and all.
That coupled with the fact that he hasn't been one of Holmgren's stanches supporters.
I can't wait until the dust settles and we have a better feel for what we might expect from Jimmy Haslam.
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Actually you can credit Lerner, then trash him for allowing John Collins to go.
A great hire, then he caved to public pressure and allowed Collins to leave only to keep Opie.
I don't care if the team is sold. Lerner was a good guy and didn't get in the way, but overall he wasn't in to owning a NFL team.
Haslam is a BIG name here in Tennessee. There is plenty of money and plenty of connections.
I don't give a rats ass who he or his father invested in. As someone said, if he drops close to a billion dollars for the team, he isn't going to be rooting for the Steelers. Get over that. I would bet not many owners of teams were actual fans of the team they bought.
As for the direction, if we win 3-4-5 games this year, something needs to change anyway.
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On a side note: I'll bet this move will make Peen happy that a homeboy of his could be the owner and all.
That coupled with the fact that he hasn't been one of Holmgren's stanches supporters.
I can't wait until the dust settles and we have a better feel for what we might expect from Jimmy Haslam.
It would make me happier if I actually knew the guy, but no, I don't.
I did contribute to his brothers run for Governor....not much...$200.
I doubt that gets me in to the owners box. 
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I'd love to find out that the sale, in addition to the team not moving, was contingent on the current regime getting 6 complete seasons before getting the boot. That's 6 total from start to finish, not 6 more....
The thought of blowing things up hurts. If Shurmur got the boot I'd love to find out the new coach couldn't just can Jauron because it wasn't HIS guy. I want ownership & the front office to drop egos & see where stability lies.
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You can want that, but it won't happen.
All the more motivation to wins a few games this year and look like we have something going.
If we win 4-5 games, I hope they all get canned. They have been around long enough to post up 7-8 wins.
I don't care about schedules and all that other stuff. What exactly makes a schedule hard?? In my mind the biggest reason is because your team sucks. Good teams have easy schedules, bad teams have hard ones.
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Here's what I want: to win. I don't care who's in charge. I like our current regime, but if a new one gets us winning sooner, then fine.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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On a side note: I'll bet this move will make Peen happy that a homeboy of his could be the owner and all.
That coupled with the fact that he hasn't been one of Holmgren's stanches supporters.
I can't wait until the dust settles and we have a better feel for what we might expect from Jimmy Haslam.
It would make me happier if I actually knew the guy, but no, I don't.
I did contribute to his brothers run for Governor....not much...$200.
I doubt that gets me in to the owners box.
I understand that there is protocol with the League and all, but it sure would be nice from a fans perspective to have an understanding of what Haslam's intentions are with the team and what directions he will turn.
Here's what I think I know.
Jimmy Haslam is a very successful business man and he stands 100% behind his product. Haslam admittedly was not always a Steelers fan, though he said that he was 100% a Steelers fan after buying into the franchise. I think that we can probably expect the same.
It would be nice from a fans perspective to know what else we might expect.
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Nothing can be done till Octboer, and I DOUBT they would make any changes a month into the season.
So Assuming everyone stays here this year.
I assume Heckerts job is safe, and as long as we don't look a fool (aka repeat last year) I think Shumur is safe for next year as well...
And While I'd like to be able to see Holmgren finish it out, maybe they bring in Banner and give him Mike's Pres job? In that case, has anything REALLY changed?
But if we come out and go 1-15 like some people think? I wouldn't be suprised to see some people CALLING for a clean slate... (No, I'm not one of them)
I just hope this isn't an every week thing.
The best way to keep this out of the news, and out of everyones minds. Just win baby.
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I am sure they would want to win. The family has had very deep pockets for UT Vols sports for a long time....I mean deep pockets.
You need to buy out a coaches contract, call the Haslams. You need a new indoor sports complex so you can better recruit players, call the Haslams.
What they don't downright donate, they pull the strings necessary to see the funds are available. Rich people generally hang with other rich people.
"You need 20 mil?? Let me make a few calls and we'll see what we can do....Go Vols" .
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Oh, what fun it is being a Browns fan. Yay!! 
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Oh, what fun it is being a Browns fan. Yay!!
They certainly can, will and have tested our faith.
How long that faith last is in their hands now.
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Here's what I want: to win. I don't care who's in charge. I like our current regime, but if a new one gets us winning sooner, then fine.
We all know new ownership often means new personnel..but the current FO is on notice..whether it's stated or not..
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this just might be the straw that breaks my back. I've been a Browns fan my entire life (since 1957). have tens of thousands of dollars worth of memorabilia, jerseys, hats, etc. have spent way too much time watching, going to games, cheering, crying, standing up for, and hating the Browns to see them sold to another owner little less a Steelers fan. I'm too old to deal with another F.O. change. I hate to say it, but, I think I'm done.   
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a Steelers fan.
Don't get too caught up on that.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Here's what I want: to win. I don't care who's in charge. I like our current regime, but if a new one gets us winning sooner, then fine.
We all know new ownership often means new personnel..but the current FO is on notice..whether it's stated or not..
There is always pressure to win in this League for any Coaching staff and or FO.
The FO for the most part has done what they will do to improve this team this year ... now I think that the pressure is on this Coaching staff to turn those investments into profit and yes there is certainly a scene of urgency to to win this year now more then yesterday, but even if they do surprise us all this year, that in it self is not bullet proof with a ownership change until we hear otherwise.
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I'm scared the team is going to move, I don't believe these guys.
Okay, well then how about this:
You don't spend $900 million to buy the team, pay off the city and then likely pay the city back for taking our tax money that we used to build the stadium and sue the Browns for it. Meanwhile, these same people will have to build a new stadium, pay the city for the land for the new stadium, and then pray that the team is able to turn as much of a profit as it has here.
If you really, truly believe that Haslam is going to do all of that to get to a mediocre fanbase with not a lot of money difference than Cleveland, then I don't know what to tell you.
The city of LA in partnership with the NFL are already BUILDING a new stadium in LA. If the plan ultimately was to move the Browns to LA the NFL would pony up the buyout money to make it possible. They WANT a team in LA. Now I don't think that's the plan. I think the Jags or Chargers or BOTH could be headed to LA. But if the PTB really wanted it? They'd make it happen.
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Don't get too caught up on that.
Why not? Everyone got caught up on Lerner being a soccer fan.....
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Don't get too caught up on that.
Why not? Everyone got caught up on Lerner being a soccer fan.....
He's an admitted former Colts and Cowboys fan.
He's currently only a Steelers fan because he owns a part of him, which he will have to sell before he can buy the Browns.
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we fans would be the last to know as always. another shiv in the back or another late night escape.
the only thing anyone cares about in the NFL any more is $$$. Losing team? Who cares, they're profitable. Multiple misdemeanor/felony offender (ex-con)? Who cares, he wins games. Violence in the stands and outside of the stadium? Who cares, we're sold out for the season. Family of 4 can't afford a ball game? Who cares, the seats are full.
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Sounds like a bandwagon jumper.
And yet here he is... Trying to buy the Browns...
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this just might be the straw that breaks my back. I've been a Browns fan my entire life (since 1957). have tens of thousands of dollars worth of memorabilia, jerseys, hats, etc. have spent way too much time watching, going to games, cheering, crying, standing up for, and hating the Browns to see them sold to another owner little less a Steelers fan. I'm too old to deal with another F.O. change. I hate to say it, but, I think I'm done.
Well they haven't blown anything up yet and I think that we have a couple more months until we really have hope for any answers to the many questions that today's news brings along with.
Hang in there until the dust settles and we know if we have anything to be upset over and when that time comes and if it gets that ugly, then I'll be on that same bus along with you and many others.
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This could all be fixed by letting me, FL, and Turk run the scouting department. 
Guess you just forgot the Scouting Director
Anyway, this news somewhat sucks...it's a downer for sure. I'll keep it at that for now...
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This could all be fixed by letting me, FL, and Turk run the scouting department.
Guess you just forgot the Scouting Director
Anyway, this news somewhat sucks...it's a downer for sure. I'll keep it at that for now...
That was my initial emotion too, but I feel assured that we won't be losing the team in the middle of the night any time soon ... there are still many other questions.
My first impressions reading on Jimmy Haslam where pretty good,(current Steelers owner not with standing lol) but there is no assurance that who he brings along with will not lead us on a path off in a different direction all over again.
Mr. Haslam Browns fans are sick and tired, had it up to here with the reboots.
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We will see how the season turns out. If we win 4-5 games, why in the heck would you want to keep these jokers??
I'd like to see ownership demand a little bit more in the way of results. Hell, even progress.
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I hate to say it, but, I think I'm done
No your not . Your just a little shell shocked.
If Richardson starts making big plays and Weeden starts slinging it to Little and Gordon. You will be cheering just as load as the rest of us no matter who the owner is.
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this just might be the straw that breaks my back. I've been a Browns fan my entire life (since 1957). have tens of thousands of dollars worth of memorabilia, jerseys, hats, etc. have spent way too much time watching, going to games, cheering, crying, standing up for, and hating the Browns to see them sold to another owner little less a Steelers fan. I'm too old to deal with another F.O. change. I hate to say it, but, I think I'm done.
I understand what you're saying but you're just letting your mind run with worst case scenarios right now.
My first opinion on this is that this guy is a big football fan with a ton of money. He got a taste of what it was like to own part of a team, he liked it, and he wanted more.
Let's let this thing play out a little bit more before jumping ship.
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We will see how the season turns out. If we win 4-5 games, why in the heck would you want to keep these jokers??
I'd like to see ownership demand a little bit more in the way of results. Hell, even progress.
Ive just read this entire thread after having just heard the news ( I know im late to finding this stuff out but better late then never) and I personally feel that they had a plan in place. Use the draft to build the team. Dont go overboard on FA because they normally dont pan out and use that money to keep your drafted studs home.
Thats the plan that pittsburgh plays they draft well continue to excell. We finally have that after what 3 years 2 on D and now 1 on the offense. I see true promise from this team and as some have said if the new owners blow this up again I dont really see me sitting here waiting another 3 -5 years to replace what we have going on now that is a major waste of MY TIME.
As far as McCoy goes the guy was a 3rd round pick who MH said shouldnt play for at least 1 year. That didnt happen because of injurys and he showed promise so they got him a new coach and he looked like a 3rd round pick. Now hes replaced. I would hardly call that a "hand picked" guy expected to be a franchise Qb.
I've said it before and now i will say it again. Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Interesting take on this ...... and one that I actually believe. Randy Lerner wanted to be a Cleveland Browns fan, not an owner: Bud Shaw | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2012/07/post_48.htmlCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Randy Lerner's heart has always been in the Browns, just not in owning them. He likes being a fan. He's never wanted the spotlight or the responsibility for building a winner. He only half jokes that it's given him ulcers. That was true when his father, Al, passed away. It remained true through knee-jerk hires and impatient firings of head coaches and front office personnel. So when the Browns released a statement Friday saying Lerner was in "investment" negotiations with businessman Jimmy Haslam -- reacting to a report on WKNR AM/850 -- it couldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. The only surprise was the timing -- on the cusp of a training camp that, for once, carries legitimate hope that the team is on the right course. But that shouldn't affect the Browns in 2012. Haslam lives in Knoxville, Tenn. That he is part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers will cause consternation among fans but it's really immaterial. He'll divest himself from that. Dan Gilbert's love of the Detroit Pistons hasn't stopped him from being all in as owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers. As for Lerner, the belief was he'd own the team as long as his mother, Norma, wanted the family to own the team. Lerner gets a pass from some fans for his willingness to spend money. But in a salary cap league where owners make money hand over fist, that's not high praise. He's been a much bigger part of the problem around here since 1999 than part of the solution. When Lerner turned the franchise over to Mike Holmgren -- letting Holmgren decide whether he wanted to coach or become team president -- it was viewed as another spare-no-expense move by him. In reality, it was an indicator that he wanted to remove himself even further. I don't know anything about Haslam. But looking at Lerner's record as owner, Haslam has two selling points. He wants to own the Browns. And it can't get much worse around here.
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As for Lerner, the belief was he'd own the team as long as his mother, Norma, wanted the family to own the team.
This is for all the people who thought Norma is his wife
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It isn't just the ownership deal. Another new QB. Another new RB. Another new set of WR's. It's the same story year after year since '99. Holmgren comes out in the press and says that he has a good relationship built on trust with Lerner and that the Browns are not for sale. Then Lerner blind sides him. OR...Holmgren was lying to the press and us. And the whole thought of another President, another V.P. another coach another and another and another....I'm tired. I think my brain is full.  I just can't get my mind around this any more. My son sees a doctor affiliated with OSU who was on the medical staff for the Browns from 2004-2010 and was director of the staff in 2010. I asked him why he left and he started naming off coaches, GM's, QB's etc. Every time something changes, his job, focus, and the demeanor of the entire F.O. changed. I couldn't blame him for leaving. I'm about there myself. The teams has no identity any longer. Still wearing orange helmets but who are they really?
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Randy Lerner's heart has always been in the Browns, just not in owning them.
He likes being a fan. He's never wanted the spotlight or the responsibility for building a winner.
I hope that's not intended to give the fans all kinds of warm and fuzzies. "Oh. Poor Randy. He didn't want this job but did it any way out of respect for his father." His father's inhertence that is.
Surely someone else in the family could have stepped up who knew more or cared more then he did - which would mean about anyone. And he waited until the last two years to get someone who cared and knew how to 'do' football to actually run the team!?!?
I didn't want you, either, Randy. 
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I've read a ton of people saying that Mike Holmgren said "the Browns are not for sale" but leaving out what he said immediately after that, which was "I talk to Randy all the time, and I assume he'd tell me."
He never had definitive knowledge of whether or not the team was for sale, and based his statement on his (possibly erroneous) assumption that Randy would've told him if the team was for sale.
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Wow.. I hope you guys don't get too close to a cliff. I've been a Browns fan for over 40 years and seen it all and lived it all. I DON"T see this as a big deal. Maybe a couple years down the road it MIGHT make a little difference on the field but a good owner is not going to come in and blow this thing up all of a sudden and then try and move the darn team..
I would bet my youngest son's piggy bank that Randy will have an absolute time bomb in the sale contract concerning any possible moving the team in his lifetime.. His Dad would come BACK from the grave and take him to the wood shed if he EVER let that happen.
Do you REALLY think Randy wants to follow Art Modell's model of how to become the most hated man in Ohio ? Not going to happen !
Relax, and let it play out.. At least it's NOT a Jones or Snyder.
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