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I think that he's going to be an improvement. I think that we're going to have some struggles with so many rookies and 2nd year players on offense as we experience growing pains, but I think that the offense will be improved, and far more explosive.
With the statuesque Weeden under center? I think it's going to be Tim Couch all over again (50+ sacks every year) but with better talent.
DA was the definition of a statue under center and he didn't get sacked 50 times total in his 4 years here (39 games).
True. However, in 3 preseason games, Weeden has been sacked 4 times in limited playing time. He didn't play the entire game in any of them. Anderson had a quicker release than Weeden has and he wasn't a rookie, even when he was added to the Browns roster.
It seems that every time Weeden takes a sack against NFL talent, the ball gets dropped too. I know, it only happened 3 of the 4 times that it occurred.
Another point to consider is that the receivers that Anderson had were arguably better than the ones that Weeden will have, and the ones Weeden has are better than the ones that McCoy has had.
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I think that Weeden will improve as far as recognition and making a move n the pocket as he becomes more experienced.
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Weeden has to take the Browns to the playoffs THIS year! Nothing else is acceptable.
Rookie QB, new to system, not up yet to the speed of the game, playing with lots of yet unproven talent and he HAS TO TAKE US THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR?
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I sure as hell hope you're wrong about that.
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Just a general comment to all of the Hatfield's who said that Colt was as good as gone. 
Carry on.
Ahh,, I don't think I'd get too excited yet. we could end up with Feeley or someone else and Colt could still end up being traded for picks next season and Wallace could still be brought back (if he's still around) It's not over till it's over.
But, it's kinda working out the way I thought it would so far.
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Weeden has to take the Browns to the playoffs THIS year! Nothing else is acceptable.
Rookie QB, new to system, not up yet to the speed of the game, playing with lots of yet unproven talent and he HAS TO TAKE US THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR?
Sounds like excuses to me. Andy Dalton, a rookie QB with a WR that was also a rookie, both unaccustomed to the speed of the NFL game, went to the playoffs last year.
No excuses! Furthermore, I don't even care about Shurmur's inexperience as a head coach in the NFL. The man is surrounded by coaches with total combined coaching experience that surpasses the century mark.
Anything but 'instant success' is failure. It may be unrealistic, but that's what my views are about it. The Browns need to be playing games in January 2013 or it's a total failure. Everything else sounds like built-in excuses to me.
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I sure as hell hope your wrong about that.
Well, Massaquoi is still on the team. I understand that he wasn't drafted by this group (that was a Mangini draft choice), but he's still on the roster. They could have cut him loose but haven't. They still think he's worth a roster spot.
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And you'll have Weeden defenders saying exactly what those of us that said that Colt McCoy has the talent but that success eludes because of the horrific talent level surrounding him.
At any position, you are judged over what you have control over. Not what you don't have control over.
What was it Colt improved on as a QB during the course of last season?
That's the exact same question that will be asked in regards to Weeden.
You make it sound as if Colt got the blame for poor protection and dropped passes. He didn't. If he did we would have had no need to draft two WR's and a RT.
Each were judged on how they did "their job". That won't change no matter who is playing or what position they play.
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McCoy was 2-5 in the final game. I wasn't able to watch, but I listened on WMMS over the interwebs. Two of the passes, as it was described, were dropped by the receivers and that the INT was another were the receiver (Jordan Norwood) may have caused the turnover. I haven't had a chance yet to watch the game. Set to record it tonight though.
I was there. I think we had six total passing yards when Colt left the game. It wasn't pretty. You say Weeden will have apologists? What do you call what you just spewed?
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Well in that case, maybe you should. Or better yet, it sounds like a Xanax is in order.
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At any position, you are judged over what you have control over. Not what you don't have control over.
What was it Colt improved on as a QB during the course of last season?
I could go into more areas than this, but I'll use just these few.
2010: 6 TDs (2.7%), 9 INTs (4.1%), 2-6 W-L record (8 games)
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That's the exact same question that will be asked in regards to Weeden.
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You make it sound as if Colt got the blame for poor protection and dropped passes. He didn't. If he did we would have had no need to draft two WR's and a RT.
Yes, he did. And they drafted those pieces, but also drafted a 1st round QB that's doing crap with those added pieces.
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Sure it will change. I doubt that Holmgren will be the Browns president at the end of the season. If the Browns start out poorly, I suspect that Shurmur could also be gone. Heckert, who would probably have the best chance of staying on, could also get his walking papers.
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I was there. I think we had six total passing yards when Colt left the game. It wasn't pretty. You say Weeden will have apologists? What do you call what you just spewed?
McCoy had 16 yards passing and one sack, which occurred, as I understand it, when the line behaved like a sieve against Chicago's blitz.
Weeden ALREADY has apologists and he hasn't played a single game yet.
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Well in that case, maybe you should. Or better yet, it sounds like a Xanax is in order.
Nah. The worst thing I've been taking this year has been some OTC allergy medicine.
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Definitely the right move.Seneca was not going to get any better. McCoy and Lewis have a chance to improve so I'd rather let them develop on the bench instead of Seneca (who didn't seem much of a mentor QB anyway which is the only reason to keep a 30+ year old 3rd stringer).
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Weeden has to take the Browns to the playoffs THIS year! Nothing else is acceptable. Considering the tools that he's been given to succeed (Richardson, Schwartz, Benjamin, Gordon, etc.), failure is not an option.
Meh, that exemplifies my perennial point about unrealistic expectations...
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Sounds like excuses to me. Andy Dalton, a rookie QB with a WR that was also a rookie, both unaccustomed to the speed of the NFL game, went to the playoffs last year.
Oh come on , you know damn well that what happened with one team last year or years ago don't have any bearing on what happens today.
Drew Brees and Colt McCoy are roughly the same size,, look at drew and then look at McCoy. McCoy is damn near the same size and arm strength of a Joe Montana. they aren't the same.
That's not to say that we can't get to the playoffs, But wanting them to, hoping they will, being angry if they don't doesn't mean t hey HAVE TO make the players.
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True. However, in 3 preseason games, Weeden has been sacked 4 times in limited playing time. He didn't play the entire game in any of them. Anderson had a quicker release than Weeden has and he wasn't a rookie, even when he was added to the Browns roster.
The point is that while our line this year is not as good as it was from 2006-2009 (and even then it wasn't great except in 2007 when it was a top-5 Oline in the NFL), there's no way that it is so bad that Weeden gets sacked more than three times per game, which is the number of sacks per game a QB would have to take in a 16-game season to have your 50+ per season.
And Derek Anderson was added to the Browns' roster his rookie year, though he didn't see any game action that season.
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I think you misunderstood what I was refering to. I meant what did you see in his ability as a QB that was progressing?
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That's the exact same question that will be asked in regards to Weeden.
Maybe, but you shouldn't count on that.
Well of course I should. You yourself said that this FO most likely won't be here. So a new regime and owner aren't tied to this QB. If anything that would put him under a microscope even more.
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You make it sound as if Colt got the blame for poor protection and dropped passes. He didn't. If he did we would have had no need to draft two WR's and a RT.
Yes, he did. And they drafted those pieces,
And who is it exactly that you claim that did this? Some posters on message boards?
Why would Heckert feel some need to get Gordon and Benjiman if they felt everything was Colt's fault? Why would he have felt the need to draft Shwartz if he didn't see a big need on the right side of the OL?
The reason is because each player was judged based on how they did their job. Which is the same reason they drafted a QB.
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Do you consider this some kind of prediction or just a passing observation after the pre-season? And since you feel some need to bring up that WR's dropped passes when Colt was in there against Chicage, you don't think you should use that same gauge for Weeden?
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Sure it will change. I doubt that Holmgren will be the Browns president at the end of the season. If the Browns start out poorly, I suspect that Shurmur could also be gone. Heckert, who would probably have the best chance of staying on, could also get his walking papers.
In that case, you have it backwards. When a new regime comes in they are not tied to the draft picks of the former regime. They more often times than not will clean house of all marginal players. As I said above, this will put Weeden under the microscope even more, not less.
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McCoy had 16 yards passing and one sack, which occurred, as I understand it, when the line behaved like a sieve against Chicago's blitz.
So you only count that kind of play by the line when McCoy is in there? You either hav to count drops and bad blocking for both QB's or neither.
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Weeden ALREADY has apologists and he hasn't played a single game yet.
We haven't even started the season so what is there to apologize for? That some people expect him to be playing like Joe Montana in his prime already?
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Well Colt M playing the finale preseason game helps his chances of being the backup to Weeden! Very much so. Wish Seneca luck!
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Well Colt M playing the finale preseason game helps his chances of being the backup to Weeden! Very much so. Wish Seneca luck!
2-5 for 16 yards and an INT helped his chances?
I think it was his worst game of the pre-season from what i've seen...
but with that said, I think McCoy had more upside... he's younger, owed less money, and has potential to be trade bait (though I'd guess a late rounder).
To me on the field Seneca and Colt are a toss up... I figured they would get rid of Seneca because Colt had more upside...
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Well Colt M playing the finale preseason game helps his chances of being the backup to Weeden! Very much so. Wish Seneca luck!
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Oh come on , you know damn well that what happened with one team last year or years ago don't have any bearing on what happens today.
What I do know is that the Browns are setting records for futility and every year, there are new excuses for it. Mangini was fired because 5 wins wasn't enough. Now, we've had 4 and 5 wins and that's becoming acceptable.
Of course, the same ones are being used for Weeden that were used for Colt. A new system (which it was), a new coach (which it was), etc. If it wasn't okay for those to be used for McCoy's performance problems (which were actually improving), then why have they been mentioned as possible excuses for Weeden's poor performances during the preseason? Do you expect that the performances will get better as the season goes along?
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Drew Brees and Colt McCoy are roughly the same size,, look at drew and then look at McCoy. McCoy is damn near the same size and arm strength of a Joe Montana. they aren't the same.
The Cleveland Browns aren't the current Saints or the 1980s SF 49ers either. We're not even the Ravens of 2000.
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That's not to say that we can't get to the playoffs, But wanting them to, hoping they will, being angry if they don't doesn't mean t hey HAVE TO make the players.
If the Browns don't make the playoffs, I'll consider it a failure. What will be the excuse? Any of those above or that the schedule was incredibly tough (based on last year's records) - which you denounced already as being irrelevant?
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Just a general comment to all of the Hatfield's who said that Colt was as good as gone.
Carry on.
Ahh,, I don't think I'd get too excited yet. we could end up with Feeley or someone else and Colt could still end up being traded for picks next season and Wallace could still be brought back (if he's still around) It's not over till it's over.
But, it's kinda working out the way I thought it would so far.
That's the point.
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Anything but 'instant success' is failure. It may be unrealistic, but that's what my views are about it.
There's a very definitive difference between realistic expectations and failure being unacceptable.
Every year every team in the NFL should expect to play good football and try to make the playoffs, but if a team sets their bar too high and demands that someone answer for not making the playoffs, well, that team will never win. Ever.
The fans of the Browns should demand that the team play hard and compete on every play, but if fans of the Browns expect this team with this level of talent to do great things they don't live in reality and are going to be sorely disappointed.
Who knows...maybe you're just passively-aggressively stating something but to me I think you're setting yourself up for serious disappointment. I do wonder... if we have a rotten year where we only win 4 games...will you be demanding a new QB?
I admit to my skepticism in Weeden, though I have more hope for him than I ever did in guys like McCoy, Quinn, Frye, Anderson, and Couch, but even I won't throw dirt on the guy after one season, not behind this line and in this division.
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J/c... I think this shows the staff saw enough improvement in McCoy this off-seasonthat they think he could be the qb of the future after weedenis ready to hang it up.
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Glad someone appreciated that. I had meant to add a willynilly to the end of the last post.
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There's a very definitive difference between realistic expectations and failure being unacceptable.
Yes, there is. But Weeden was touted by this front office as the future. Richardson was touted as the best RB since Adrian Peterson. They finally addressed the RT issue (although I think better players were available) and even spent next years 2nd rounder in the supplemental draft for a WR, after drafting Little last year with a 2nd rounder.
No excuses. How long are the 'realistic expectations' of acceptable failure supposed to last?
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Every year every team in the NFL should expect to play good football and try to make the playoffs, but if a team sets their bar too high and demands that someone answer for not making the playoffs, well, that team will never win. Ever.
I'm not an NFL team, just a fan of a perennially sucky team. I will set that bar high. I will make demands of that team. If they continue to suck, they'll find that my support for the regime will erode and I'll call for their replacement. Which I have done. As soon as I heard Weeden's name called on Day 1 of the draft, I felt that they should be fired. I won't back off that criticism until proven wrong - and the proof that I demand is that the team MJST make the playoffs. Of course, as an apologist, the proof YOU demand is less.
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The fans of the Browns should demand that the team play hard and compete on every play, but if fans of the Browns expect this team with this level of talent to do great things they don't live in reality and are going to be sorely disappointed.
I don't want them to play hard and compete. I want them to win those games, throttling the opposition into submission and driving their fans to the verge of suicide.
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Who knows...maybe you're just passively-aggressively stating something but to me I think you're setting yourself up for serious disappointment. I do wonder... if we have a rotten year where we only win 4 games...will you be demanding a new QB?
Dude, we're Browns fans (or at least I am) and I'm used to serious disappointment. What I want to feel is exhilaration and pride in my team. Will I be demanding a new QB? Probably not. I might demand a return to a younger QB and an entire overhaul of the front office and coaching staff. I think that unless the team is at least on the verge of making the playoffs that we'll see that wholesale change in the front office and coaches.
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I admit to my skepticism in Weeden, though I have more hope for him than I ever did in guys like McCoy, Quinn, Frye, Anderson, and Couch, but even I won't throw dirt on the guy after one season, not behind this line and in this division.
I'll not only throw dirt on the guy after one season, I'll bury his career six feet under after one season.
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Yes, there is. But Weeden was touted by this front office as the future. Richardson was touted as the best RB since Adrian Peterson.
anarc...Neither Weeden nor Richardson will play to expectations if the Browns offensive line does not "protect" Weeden and open holes for Richardson.
Weeden clearly has arm strength superior to McCoy's and Weeden can also throw the ball with touch. Some want to compare Weeden to Derek Anderson, but the major difference is Weeden is much more accurate with his passes and on the short throws, which Anderson struggled to complete, Weeden can throw with touch and accuracy.
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Yes, there is. But Weeden was touted by this front office as the future. Richardson was touted as the best RB since Adrian Peterson.
anarc...Neither Weeden nor Richardson will play to expectations if the Browns offensive line does not "protect" Weeden and open holes for Richardson.
Weeden clearly has arm strength superior to McCoy's and Weeden can also throw the ball with touch. Some want to compare Weeden to Derek Anderson, but the major difference is Weeden is much more accurate with his passes and on the short throws, which Anderson struggled to complete, Weeden can throw with touch and accuracy.
If they are as highly thought of as the front office believes, then they better play to that level despite the OL.
Whether you agree or not, there are some posters on these (and other message boards) that have stated that our OL is a strength in their views.
All QBs can throw the ball with touch. All QBs can make the throws necessary. This is a bogus argument. Some can do it with superior ability than others. McCoy can extend plays and drives with his feet. Weeden can't.
On top of that, you're making the case that Weeden should have more success than McCoy and Anderson. Anderson led a Romeo Crennel coached team to a 10-6 record in his first season as the starting QB. Shouldn't we expect that from a 'better' Weeden led team and a coach that's offensive-minded rather than defensive-minded?
Yeah, I expect wins. I expect the playoffs. I want no more excuses.
Let's put it this way, if Weeden wins us 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 wins (and I don't think that he will), then what's the point of drafting him? McCoy, with better weapons around him and another year as the QB, could have accomplished it or more.
Sorry to all the apologists, but I (and I speak only for myself) will accept nothing less than the playoffs!
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So you think we'd make the playoffs if Colt was the starter?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So you think we'd make the playoffs if Colt was the starter?
Playoffs?...Please...we would win the Super Bowl...c'mon man...get with the program here.
/sarcasm
Seriously though...and really j/c because I know you know the follwing:
It is clear that the FO and HC determined that we needed to upgrade the QB position. They've done that.
It does not mean Weeden will be the saviour...the franchise...or even the long term starter. Shoot...he may not end up being any better than Colt.
But they upgraded the position and did not "blow it" on a guy like Flynn, Kolb, McNabb, Hasselbeck, etc.
The veteran options were awful.
I like Weeden the player...just not the pick. However, seeing where the guys above are on their depth charts, I'm starting to like/understand the pick...as well as the player.
I will not be even remotely surprised if we take another QB "early" next year (please...please...please NOT Barkley) if Weeden shows some struggles and McCoy doesn't impress in any chances he may get to play.
We need Weeden to be a very good QB and a better option than Colt as a starter.
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But Weeden was touted by this front office as the future. Richardson was touted as the best RB since Adrian Peterson. They finally addressed the RT issue (although I think better players were available) and even spent next years 2nd rounder in the supplemental draft for a WR, after drafting Little last year with a 2nd rounder.
No excuses. How long are the 'realistic expectations' of acceptable failure supposed to last?
Yes, Weeden was touted as the future, but no QB which comes into the league is expected to be a really great player right out of the gate. Even the "best QB to come out in the last two decades" in Luck isn't expected to be great. He's expected to show promise yet also make rookie mistakes.
Furthermore, just because we've spent a ton of picks on talent doesn't change the fact they are rookies, rookies which are surrounded by inferior talent.
And speaking of rookies, we're going to have 15 rookies on this roster, more than anyone in the league. The fact we have more rookies than anyone will tell you how good we can expect to be, as that one is self-explanatory.
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I'm not an NFL team, just a fan of a perennially sucky team. I will set that bar high. I will make demands of that team.
Hey, they are your expectations to temper or swallow as you see fit. If you choose the unrealistic route don't expect too many people to see things your way.
The irony here is that if we're as bad as I expect us to be, I'm all for kicking the Walrus to the curb. His track record as an executive is not good so there's nobody that can tell me I should be patient because his history shows he knows what he's doing. However, the fundamental difference is that I don't expect success while you do. My expectations are realistic. Yours, are not.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
This, after the BS he pulled last season, I'm glad to be rid of the POS.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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So you think we'd make the playoffs if Colt was the starter?
In all honesty, I think our chances would be better with Colt McCoy than Brandon Weeden.
But, I don't know whether it will matter. I don't see Holmgren, Heckert or Shurmur being here next year.
Will the next front office and coach be willing to stick with these QBs? I think that McCoy will probably have a better chance of sticking than Weeden.
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It is clear that the FO and HC determined that we needed to upgrade the QB position. They've done that.
What has given you the impression that Weeden is an upgrade at the position?
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It does not mean Weeden will be the saviour...the franchise...or even the long term starter. Shoot...he may not end up being any better than Colt.
But, your statement above states that they "...needed an upgrade at the QB position. They've done that." Which is it? Either he's an "upgrade" or "he may not end up being any better than Colt". He can't be both and your statement implies that you realize that Weeden isn't even as good as McCoy is...today.
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But they upgraded the position and did not "blow it" on a guy like Flynn, Kolb, McNabb, Hasselbeck, etc.
I think you're incredibly confused, Willie.
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The veteran options were awful.
It's arguable whether the veteran options were ever options at all.
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I like Weeden the player...just not the pick. However, seeing where the guys above are on their depth charts, I'm starting to like/understand the pick...as well as the player.
I like neither side of Weeden. I didn't like the pick and I don't like his play.
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I will not be even remotely surprised if we take another QB "early" next year (please...please...please NOT Barkley) if Weeden shows some struggles and McCoy doesn't impress in any chances he may get to play.
We may take a QB early in next year's draft because the front office and coaching staff is run out of town on a rail.
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We need Weeden to be a very good QB and a better option than Colt as a starter.
It will take a playoff appearance for me to accept it. If the Browns are in the playoffs in Weeden's rookie season, I'll eat a healthy plate of crow. I may even eat my hat.
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What has given you the impression that Weeden is 'not' an upgrade at the position? Preseason 
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I'll keep it simple.
Weeden is better than Wallace...the position was upgraded.
Weeden is a better option than Hasselback, McNabb, Kold, Flynn et al.
Weeden - by most accounts - is better than McCoy. (Yes...some may think that remains to be seen.)
It's ok by me that you think McCoy is/will-be better than Weeden. I want McCoy to succeed as a starter in the NFL.
But the FO is 'all-in' with Weeden...and they know a little about the NFL...it's not an unreasonable stance by them to take the shot at Weeden and/or to believe that he is better than McCoy.
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Yes, Weeden was touted as the future, but no QB which comes into the league is expected to be a really great player right out of the gate. Even the "best QB to come out in the last two decades" in Luck isn't expected to be great. He's expected to show promise yet also make rookie mistakes.
Furthermore, just because we've spent a ton of picks on talent doesn't change the fact they are rookies, rookies which are surrounded by inferior talent.
And speaking of rookies, we're going to have 15 rookies on this roster, more than anyone in the league. The fact we have more rookies than anyone will tell you how good we can expect to be, as that one is self-explanatory.
So that's the reasoning that you're going to use to make yourself feel better about another crappy season. Next year, after the rookies have a year of experience under their belts, they'll be facing an entirely new front office and coaching staff.
I actually think that some of the coaching staff may be offered jobs to remain because one of them may be offered a promotion and a number of them actually have head coaching experience and were successful at it in some regard. I don't think that a single person in the front office will be around next year and most of the coaching staff will be axed as well, if not all of it.
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Hey, they are your expectations to temper or swallow as you see fit. If you choose the unrealistic route don't expect too many people to see things your way.
I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect the playoffs. I expect the playoffs from the Browns every year. With the gods of football that we have in the front office, shouldn't we expect it every year? I mean, who can doubt Pat Shurmur's abilities since he's got the stamp of approval from Holmgren & Heckert? 
Maybe these mental midgets ain't all that and a bag of chips. If you had taken a vote on this message board about who to select with the draft picks that the Browns had and selected whoever got the majority of votes, Brandon Weeden wouldn't have been selected at all.
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The irony here is that if we're as bad as I expect us to be, I'm all for kicking the Walrus to the curb. His track record as an executive is not good so there's nobody that can tell me I should be patient because his history shows he knows what he's doing. However, the fundamental difference is that I don't expect success while you do. My expectations are realistic. Yours, are not.
Oh, the Browns will be that bad. I fully expect the Browns to win even fewer games this year than last year's dismal performance of 4-12. And, for the record, I was for kicking Holmgren to the curb much earlier. I was never for the hiring of Shurmur (hell, he wasn't on any team's radar for any position) and I challenge anyone to say that Shurmur's had even a smidgeon of success as a HC. A 4-12 record doesn't add up to a smidgeon.
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What has given you the impression that Weeden is 'not' an upgrade at the position?
Preseason
Well, adding 'not' and then the comment 'Preseason ' and I would have to say that we agree.
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We should put you and Ytown in a padded room, and watch the results.
Me, despite the signature, I will watch a few game even before forming a preliminary opinion.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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