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Curious - Of all the season's that Alexander played why did you choose the 2004/2005 season? How do his stats from that year compare to his season averages?
whoops, my fault. should have been 2005/2006 as that was the season Seattle got to the SB. it was his best year, but he was a consistent 1100yd, 15TD RB in the seasons leading up to it as well. the argument was that some do not give credit for Holmgren building the offense that got Seattle to the SB, so I thought I was using the season they got there.
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So the most significant change is that the RB goes from having "very good" or "excellent" seasons to an MVP, record-setting season, and the wins change from 9 or 10 to 13, and you don't think that there's a correlation there?
Also, you're convoluting the argument, which is that Holmgren is not a great evaluator and/or acquirer of talent, not that he didn't build the Seahawks' offense that went to the Super Bowl.
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i never said there wasn't correlation.
my point was that I thought Holmgren could evaluate what he wanted in an offensive player but was lo…t on the defensive side, which seems to be supported when looking at his picks, trades, and FA acquisitions. nothing more.
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Just for clarification, why do you not like the front office?
What's to like?
I'm not sold that Heckert can't be genius if left to his own thoughts about who to draft.
That's about all I like the front office.
Oh wait! Does the soon-to-be new owner count? I think I like Jimmy Haslam and his view for the team. If he counts, I like that Randy Lerner won't be the owner anymore.
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Thank you for not answering the question.
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Did Wallace get picked up yet?
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Did Wallace get picked up yet?
only by the unemployment line
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Did Wallace get picked up yet?
Unless a team is in dire need of an opening day QB - or unless he signs for a very cheap 2012 salary, he will NOT be on a roster any earlier than following the Week 1 games.
Why? He is a vested veteran - thus if he is on a team's roster on opening day, his entire salary for this season becomes guaranteed.
Being that he has 10 accrued seasons, his MINIMUM salary is $925,000. So, unless a team is comfortable guaranteeing him that much for this year, they will NOT sign him.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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well, he also drafted Hutch, brought in Hasselbeck, D-Jax, Engram, etc. That offense was Holmgren's baby. I love how he gets no credit for building a SB capable NFL offense around here like it's just an easy thing to do.
Hasselbeck, Jackson and Engram were all average to slightly above average players (and Jackson missed most of the 2005 season).
I'm not giving him "no credit". I'm just saying that Shaun Alexander is the primary reason they had the season that they did in 2005. I'm also saying that hitting on first-round draft picks doesn't make one a great evaluator of talent. Getting production from late-round licks and UDFAs, along with judicious use of trades and free agency, does.
Couldn't have stated it better! 
I wouldn't call Holmgren's acquisition of Hasselbeck that difficult of a move to pull off. Green Bay had Favre at the time and was set. The rest were like the above quote "slightly above average at best." We'll just have to see how Weeden fares. Should be fun to watch!
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Thank you for not answering the question.
I don't like the way that they draft.
I don't like their analysis of the problems.
I don't like their nepotism.
I don't like the way they handled the McCoy concussion issue.
I don't like the way that they handled the Evan Moore issue.
I don't like the way they handled the Peyton Hillis issue.
I don't like the way they handle day-to-day operations.
I don't like that they fire on coach (Mangini) for a legitimate reason (5 W, 11 L) but excuse their choice of coach (Shurmur) for doing worse.
I don't like the whole way that they operate and I won't be upset when they get fired. They simply don't know what the hell they're doing - and I level that accusation at Heckert as well, by association. Shurmur is incompetent. Holmgren simply doesn't know what he's doing. He has exactly ZERO evaluation skills.
It's obvious that Randy Lerner had no desire to run the operations in Cleveland, so he handed the whole thing over to Holmgren who fully screwed the whole organization up.
Holmgren & Co. can't leave Cleveland quickly enough for my tastes.
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So, your saying you don't like the front office then? 
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So, your saying you don't like the front office then?
That's how I take it.
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I don't like the way that they draft.
Joe Haden, T.J. Ward, Shawn Lauvao, Phil Taylor, Jabal Sheard, Greg Little, Buster Skrine, Jason Pinkston, and Eric Hagg. All at least league average starters. Those are the first two drafts. They also traded down to get way more picks, which was necessary because we are rebuilding.
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I don't like their analysis of the problems.
For example...
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I don't like their nepotism.
Shouldn't you hire the people who know how you like to run things and do things the same way as you?
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I don't like the way they handled the McCoy concussion issue.
I can see how you don't like this, but in the end does it really affect on field performance? That's the only thing that really matters.
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I don't like the way that they handled the Evan Moore issue.
What issue? Did I miss something with Evan Moore?
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I don't like the way they handled the Peyton Hillis issue.
Not sure what they did wrong here. Guy was a tool, they treated him accordingly.
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I don't like the way they handle day-to-day operations.
Because you are so intimately involved you know how they work on a day-to-day basis.
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I don't like that they fire on coach (Mangini) for a legitimate reason (5 W, 11 L) but excuse their choice of coach (Shurmur) for doing worse.
So if a coach doesn't win in his first season he should be fired? What do you want them to do? Say that "Pat Shurmur is a horrible coach, he doesn't know what he is doing."
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I don't like the whole way that they operate and I won't be upset when they get fired. They simply don't know what the hell they're doing - and I level that accusation at Heckert as well, by association. Shurmur is incompetent. Holmgren simply doesn't know what he's doing. He has exactly ZERO evaluation skills.
Holmgren has brought in many good people. Wiedmeier and yes, Heckert (these are what I like to call examples, something you don't provide.)
For whatever reason you are bitter. I don't know why. But you are. You make up things in your head that you think happened wrong and then cling on to them even though you have nothing to back them up.
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Holmgren & Co. can't leave Cleveland quickly enough for my tastes.
Sounds like you have all the answers.
You should send your resume to Jimmy once he has taken the rains. Huh?
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J/C...The Browns parted ways with Seneaca...A back up that didn't do much for this team...Sorta wish this board would also...See ya buy..... 
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Holmgren & Co. can't leave Cleveland quickly enough for my tastes.
Sounds like you have all the answers.
You should send your resume to Jimmy once he has taken the rains. Huh?
I'd be happy to take the reins and I could hardly do worse. I'd do it for less than Holmgren's been getting paid. Just give me access to the corporate jet as often as I need it.
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I'd be happy to take the reins and I could hardly do worse.
Having read your comments for several days I believe the sad part of this is you actually believe it.
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I'd be happy to take the reins and I could hardly do worse.
Having read your comments for several days I believe the sad part of this is you actually believe it.
You bet that I do. I'll take it further. I'll say that if it was possible to just take a poll for the actions to take and follow the majority of the posters on this message board, they'd have done better than what they've done.
I guess we'll have the next 4 months to find out whether I'm right or the existing front office is right. I'm 100% sure that Holmgren will be gone no later than the end of the season and nearly 100% sure that he'll be gone before then. The same goes for Shurmur, although his chances of lasting to the end of the season are better than Holmgren's. Heckert might manage to hold onto his job, but I put the chance at between 1 in 4 and 1 in 8. Let's call it 1 in 6.
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I'd be happy to take the reins and I could hardly do worse. I'd do it for less than Holmgren's been getting paid. Just give me access to the corporate jet as often as I need it.
Finaly you have submitted some comedy in your posts. I was wondering when you would lighten the mood!?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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