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I also want to add that we have somewhere in the range of 100,000 people entering the workforce for the first time each and every month.
That means that we need to add 1.2 million jobs per year just to employ those coming into the job market.
You have very interesting math. You realize that there are people retiring every month, choosing to be stay-at-home parents, etc. right? This article talks about how 10,000 baby boomers are expected to retire every day for 19 years.
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What are your thoughts on YTown's detailed account of the auto industry bailout?
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My thought is to not get tangled up in either party line.
Hard working Americans, which includes union workers, shouldn't have to lose their jobs because of horrible design and financial decisions of their employer. The workers shouldn't lose jobs because of bad ideas they themselves never made.
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I also want to add that we have somewhere in the range of 100,000 people entering the workforce for the first time each and every month.
That means that we need to add 1.2 million jobs per year just to employ those coming into the job market.
You have very interesting math. You realize that there are people retiring every month, choosing to be stay-at-home parents, etc. right? This article talks about how 10,000 baby boomers are expected to retire every day for 19 years.
Interesting math indeed.
If 10,000 people have been retiring everyday since Jan 2011 - as per the article - then that job became available to someone else upon the boomer's retirement.
If a "day" is only a workday, that means that 200,000 old jobs per month open up for someone new.
So...we need 100,000 new jobs a month and 200,000 old jobs become available through retirement every month? 
Doesn't that mean the jobless numbers are even worse?
I honestly don't know...and honestly don't get too fired up about any stat put forth by the government...who knows what's really in a number and what's not? If they always use the same methodology, then I guess it's all relative. However my confidence in that is equally low.
How do they define " a person who left the job market because they gave up"? Talk about a goofy stat? 
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Well the jobs the boomers retire from are not always replaceable or still necessary at that point. Perhaps a young person can do the job of 2-3 boomers since s/he is more technologically savvy (for example a person really good at repairing computers may be able to do it much faster than the elderly employee who retired).
The point I was getting at - without getting bogged down in numbers - is that while there are people entering the workforce every day there are also people leaving the workforce every day and that YTown's math was wrong since it doesn't account for those people.
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My thought is to not get tangled up in either party line.
Hard working Americans, which includes union workers, shouldn't have to lose their jobs because of horrible design and financial decisions of their employer. The workers shouldn't lose jobs because of bad ideas they themselves never made.
Huh?
YTown was not toeing any party line. He gave his opinion of the "auto industry bailout". His opinion of what actually happened.
How is that a party line?
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"Hard working Americans, which includes union workers, shouldn't have to lose their jobs because of horrible design and financial decisions of their employer. The workers shouldn't lose jobs because of bad ideas they themselves never made."
I'd agree..and also say:
Hard working Americans should not see their tax dollars wasted to "resurrect" an industry destroyed by bad decisions and stifling unions. All done in a fashion that equates to a bankruptcy that screws creditors in an unprecendented fashion, strokes the unions and their coffers, and puts the government as majority owner of a large company in a democratic society.
Where does the government STOP in bailing out companies whose employees lose their jobs through no fault of their own? I know where...wherever there is not a large union with millions of dollars in campaign contributions at stake.
Edit: And THAT goes for both parties.
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Well the jobs the boomers retire from are not always replaceable or still necessary at that point. Perhaps a young person can do the job of 2-3 boomers since s/he is more technologically savvy (for example a person really good at repairing computers may be able to do it much faster than the elderly employee who retired).
The point I was getting at - without getting bogged down in numbers - is that while there are people entering the workforce every day there are also people leaving the workforce every day and that YTown's math was wrong since it doesn't account for those people.
That's just BS ... My father worked until he was 72 doing auto cad for his company, because they couldn't find a replacement for him and in the end they had to hired two to do the job he did for them. 
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Well the jobs the boomers retire from are not always replaceable or still necessary at that point. Perhaps a young person can do the job of 2-3 boomers since s/he is more technologically savvy (for example a person really good at repairing computers may be able to do it much faster than the elderly employee who retired).
The point I was getting at - without getting bogged down in numbers - is that while there are people entering the workforce every day there are also people leaving the workforce every day and that YTown's math was wrong since it doesn't account for those people.
I see your point.
I guess what I'm getting at is I don't know if any math is "correct" in this regard. Primarily because I have no faith in what is being punched into the calculator and whether it is done consistently enough to establish a comparative number month by month.
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I also want to add that we have somewhere in the range of 100,000 people entering the workforce for the first time each and every month.
That means that we need to add 1.2 million jobs per year just to employ those coming into the job market.
You have very interesting math. You realize that there are people retiring every month, choosing to be stay-at-home parents, etc. right? This article talks about how 10,000 baby boomers are expected to retire every day for 19 years.
That's interesting, but I have a question.
If this is the case, and we are losing these Boomers at the rate of 10,000 per day, then why isn't the workforce number being impacted to reflect this? That's 3.6 million people retiring per year.
Using these numbers, we would subtract 3.6 million people from the workforce this year. Well, part is people entering the workforce for the first time as a result of becoming an adult, or graduating college. Part is immigration. We allow about 1 million per year into the US via legal immigration, and there are about 22 million kids in the 15-19 gage bracket according to the last census. That's more than in the 60-64 range (16.8 million) or 65-69. (12.4 million)
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_DP_DPDP1
I suspect that, if you add up all of the numbers, it winds up being the highly publicized number of the US needing to add about 100K jobs just to stay even with population growth.
Oh ... and one strange thing about your article. 10,000x365=3.65 million. 3.65 millionX19 years = 69,350,000 Boomers expected to retire in the next 19 years. I believe that Boomers are 50+, right? According to the Census, there are 71 million such people in the 50-64 age range. That would mean that almost each and every Boomer would have to be working currently, and set to retire soon, wouldn't it? I don't believe that this is the case. I know of more 1 working parent homes among that age bracket than any other. If 10,000 Boomers are set to retire each day for 19 years ..... I just don't see how the numbers work. Can you see how the numbers work?
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It's funny. I was respectful of your opinion, and took your conclusions point by point. I asked you to refute anything that you disagreed with. I welcome the debate.
Why make such childish comments in return? If you think that I'm going to take your comments at face value when they disagree with mine, then you're wrong. If you can't support your comments, then I understand, but don't play the "you're just not smart enough to know what I know" crap.
As far as oil companies, I don't want any subsidies for oil companies. I want lowered taxes for all companies that create jobs. As far as oil companies go, as Sarah Palin actually did in Alaska, I want guarantees that oil companies have to develop the areas they receive rights to instead of sitting on them to keep prices up. I would be OK with a very small tax on domestic oil in the amount of 5 cents per barrel to support alternative energy development and such. This way it could be done without taxpayer dollars being thrown into the equation.
I don't have to agree with a candidate 100% to vote for him. In fact, in this election, just the fact that I so vehemently disagree with the current President gives his opponent an immediate leg up. Frankly, Romney is far too liberal for me. However, I have hopes that Romney will be forced into more conservative stance by virtue of the fact that, if elected, he wouldn't want to be a one term guy by burning his base.
Now, as far as your homework and comprehension comments, once more, I understand if you cannot back up your comments ..... but don't insult me via projection. I heard enough of that during the DNC.
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Mitt Romney or Mr. Burns
WHO SAID IT?
1. "Its time for another old-fashioned tax revolt"
2. "i've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will."
3. "So, what shall we do tomorrow? Go Grousing?"
4. "I'm not concerned about the very poor."
5. "Why do I need another penny? I have Billions."
6. "Corporations are people, my friend!"
7. "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me."
8. "I'm really enjoying this so-called 'iced cream.'"
9. "I tasted a beer and tried a cigarette once, as a wayward teenager, and never did it again."
10. "I grew up drinking Vernors and watching ballgames at Michigan & Trumbull."
11. "A blue Collar bar! Let's go slumming!"
12. "i have some great friends that are NASCAR team owners."
13. "i'm running for office, for Pete's sake -- I can't have illegals!"
14. "This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election."
Romney: 1,2,4,6,7,9,10,12,13 Burns: 3,5,8,11,14
Now, to context:
1) Really needs no explanation. We who actually pay taxes are taxed too much. (even if we aren't rich) When half the country pays nothing, there's a problem.
2) Is this really an issue?
4) The whole quote is: Romney: "By the way, I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor -- we have a safety net there. If it needs repair I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich -- they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of America - the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation."
I don't see a problem with that, because he's right. The very poor have a safety net in place. The very rich are doing fine. The middle is where we are being beaten down by the current administration.
6) Corporations earn money that goes to their shareholders. Shareholders, the owners of corporations, sometimes even IRAs, and money market funds, are owned by ....... prople. Duh.
7) "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me," Romney said at a Monday breakfast in New Hampshire, when talking about health care. "You know, if someone doesn't give me a good service that I need, I want to say, 'I'm going to go get someone else to provide that service to me.'"
That makes sense to me. Maybe it doesn't to you.
9) He's a Mormon. He tried those things, but never did again. Why the surprise? Kids rebel and try things. His religion doesn't allow for such things so he didn't do them again.
10) He grew up in Detroit. So?
12) So he has friends who own NASCAR teams ....... again, big deal. It was awkward, and probably ill advised, but in the larger scheme of things ......so what?
13) Again, so? He can't have illegals working on his property, or in any way for him. He fired the company who hired the illegals, and went on. Big deal.
Now let's play with Obama, shall we?
Who promised, in his campaign, that he would:
1) Close Guantanamo bay within one year of taking office?
2) Cut the deficit in half by the end of his 1st term?
3) Create 5 million new energy jobs.
4) Bring down insurance premiums by $2500 per year for the average family.
5) Not allow unemployment to go over 8%? (especially after passing the so-called Stimulus)
6) Would allow for the importation of prescription drugs to bring down prices.
7) Would allow Medicare to negotiate for lower drug prices like insurance companies do.
8) Would life 2 million families from poverty by the end of his 1st term. (ironically, more people than ever are on food stamps)
9) End no bid contracts above $2500. (oops, maybe not)
10) Create a retirement tax savings tax credit for low incomes. (I guess if you don't have a job you don't need a retirement plan)
11) That he would change Washington, and be "inclusive".
12) Would work to save the energy crisis once and for all. (a few million dollars tossed to campaign bundlers doesn't count as far as I'm concerned)
I know ..... I'm uninformed ..... or something. 
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It's funny. I was respectful of your opinion, and took your conclusions point by point. I asked you to refute anything that you disagreed with. I welcome the debate.
The reason I find this funny is that in the Arctic Ice melting thread, Draftdayz pointed out where your conclusions and statistics were wrong (point by point) and instead of a rebuttal, you decided to change the discussion to different facts (which were then again rebutted point by point and you ignored them).
And needless to say your complete misrepresentation of facts about how Sandra Fluke was "whining about how she wanted people to pay for her to have so much sex" which you then also completely ignored when it was pointed out to you exactly how wrong you were.
And now you're complaining about someone doing the same to you. A bit of cognitive dissonance there, wouldn't you say?
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And I pointed out an article where the co-writer of the paper you posted as "proof" actually disagree with the conclusions of the writer. If they can't agree, then why should I buy in 100%?
I really don't remember the context of the Fluke comment off the top of my head, but it was probably funnier than anything she actually said. She was actually quite whiny and rather pathetic. She was a DNC plant, well schooled in what she was supposed to say .... a 31 year old law school graduate, who can't handle that awful $4-10 per month for her pills. She was all upset because a Jesuit school wouldn't cover them without verifying that they were for medical reasons other than birth control. If she didn't want to deal with those kind of restrictions, then she shouldn't have chosen a Jesuit education. Neither should other students. If they choose a Jesuit education, then they should understand that certain lifestyle restrictions go along with that choice.
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And I pointed out an article where the co-writer of the paper you posted as "proof" actually disagree with the conclusions of the writer. If they can't agree, then why should I buy in 100%?
I really don't remember the context of the Fluke comment off the top of my head, but it was probably funnier than anything she actually said. She was actually quite whiny and rather pathetic. She was a DNC plant, well schooled in what she was supposed to say .... a 31 year old law school graduate, who can't handle that awful $4-10 per month for her pills. She was all upset because a Jesuit school wouldn't cover them without verifying that they were for medical reasons other than birth control. If she didn't want to deal with those kind of restrictions, then she shouldn't have chosen a Jesuit education. Neither should other students. If they choose a Jesuit education, then they should understand that certain lifestyle restrictions go along with that choice.
Didn't she say after the hearing she was an activist? Regardless of what she said or who she was she didn't deserve to be called names in the media.
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Probably not ..... and Tea Party members didn't deserves to be called "Tea Baggers", and Republicans didn't deserve to be called "Nazis" at the DNC, and so on. We would be far better off with more civil discourse, but civil discourse doesn't seem to be on the agenda.
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I'm glad that, for the most part, it's the rule here at DT.
Ever take a trip over to Politico, and snake through their message boards? Every time I do, I feel like I need a long, hot shower afterward...
There are some extremely nasty people (on both sides of the political 50 yard line) out there. Sometimes, it's hard for me to believe they are members of the same species as we, let alone citizens of the same country.
[shakes head slowly]
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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The content of your responses in your debate with YTown clearly shows who is informed and providing support of their position vs. who is blowing wind and toeing a party line
Your final salvo - typical of many liberals - is to tell the other person how uninformed they are and to insult their intelligence.
All while not going "point to counter-point" with them.
Do you have a response to YTowns very detailed critique of the "auto industry bailout"?
He nailed it...absolutely nailed it. With paragraph after paragraph of detailed info behind his point. Yet your answer is that he is "uninformed"?
So typical.
The reason I choose not to go point counter point because it is pointless when your dealing with someone with so much unexplained hate.
Yes his facts concerning the auto industry were correct. but i dont see how that should fuel the hatred that is seen from the teaparty and conservate extreme sides.
But did he answer my question as to how many times he voted for Bush? NO.
To act totally oblivious to your own parties doings then chastise with such anger hate on Obama is ridiculous. I'm not saying that Obama is the greatest ever president or the worst. I think he's done a B to B- job in office. But its much better than the D- Bush had. And I have zero desire to put Romney in office. The guy is a joke. I'd rather the republicans put McCain back up. Atleast he is credible.
The Republican party as a whole is like a teenager with A.D.D. right now wanting to be the most popular kid in school, full of ideas with no direction, no structure, or concept of money. They just want it their way no matter what. If they can't have it their way, they will take their ball and go home, slander, lie, and do what ever is in their power to prevent the guy in charge from accomplishing anything no matter what the cost is to man or country.
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.... that there's no thread being posted about the DNC addresses in Charlotte, NC.
No Kathleen Sibelius' address.
No Rahm Emmanuel's.
No Julian Castro's.
Or... (wait for the Elephant In The Room) Michelle Obama's?
Wassup, My Dawgs?
Did we fold up our tents when Tampa closed down its shop? Or are we still engaged?
As you all know, I don't usually weigh in on politically- based threads. I have my own personal reasons for doing so. BUT... i couldn't help but notice that there has been an easily-discernible time-lag between the First Political Post following the start of the RNC, and the start of the DNC.
That's why I'm starting this thread.... without so much as a nod to one side or the other. Playing (personal) Politics was not my intent. All I wanted to do was open up the dialogue here in DawgTown regarding what the Dems are puttting forth.
Are you NOT performing the "due diligence" that I'm attempting, by giving equal time to both sides?
Or.... are you waiting for the first poster to open the floodgates? If that's the case, let me be The Gatekeeper. Gate's unlocked, Dawgs. Have at it.
You're great at playing The Political Game here at DT/EE. Time to give equal attention to the DNC
In 3....2....1.... Discuss.
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Now, to context:
1) Really needs no explanation. We who actually pay taxes are taxed too much. (even if we aren't rich) When half the country pays nothing, there's a problem.
2) Is this really an issue?
4) The whole quote is: Romney: "By the way, I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor -- we have a safety net there. If it needs repair I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich -- they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of America - the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation."
I don't see a problem with that, because he's right. The very poor have a safety net in place. The very rich are doing fine. The middle is where we are being beaten down by the current administration.
6) Corporations earn money that goes to their shareholders. Shareholders, the owners of corporations, sometimes even IRAs, and money market funds, are owned by ....... prople. Duh.
7) "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me," Romney said at a Monday breakfast in New Hampshire, when talking about health care. "You know, if someone doesn't give me a good service that I need, I want to say, 'I'm going to go get someone else to provide that service to me.'"
That makes sense to me. Maybe it doesn't to you.
9) He's a Mormon. He tried those things, but never did again. Why the surprise? Kids rebel and try things. His religion doesn't allow for such things so he didn't do them again.
10) He grew up in Detroit. So?
12) So he has friends who own NASCAR teams ....... again, big deal. It was awkward, and probably ill advised, but in the larger scheme of things ......so what?
13) Again, so? He can't have illegals working on his property, or in any way for him. He fired the company who hired the illegals, and went on. Big deal.
1. to be honest I don't know what an old fashion tax revolt is.
2. i agree who cares... but who actually hunts small varmints? I put peanut butter on mouse traps. I'm a small varmit hunter too.
4. So the poor are not Americans???  I'm always the last to find things out.
And if you think the middle is being beaten down by OBAMA... then you will really hate Romney in 4 years.
6. I know they passed that Corporations are people too. In the future...that will be considered one of the great flaws and downfalls of our society. imho
7. It makes sense to me....I never knew Obama blocked me from changing medical coverage. I need to speak to my HR rep.
9. But he's fine with making $10k bets in front of national audience on stage at a debate???? but good for him, Waitress another please
10. Dude its Detroit... nuff said. Although I do like Greek town area.
12. I guess that makes him cool then. Hmm I may vote for him now.
13. I think the point is that he said He's running for office so... wait for it... it seems to imply that is the only reason for him not to hire illegals
But seriously YT... the whole MAD MAGAZINE paste was for a joke. The fact that you actually went and debated and countered every quote is sad but funny to me.
I just wonder who is gona defend Mr. Burns?
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What do I hate? The only thing I hate is the direction of the country, and the fact that we are sliding into the abyss. Things are getting worse, not better. Every once in a great while I might let some insult slip, but for the most part I argue points. I don't insult other posters. I haven't called the President, who I vehemently disagree with, any names. What is this hate that you see? As to our current situation, the biggest problem we had ... the real root cause of most of our current problems, was the housing crisis. I have said all along that both Parties were complicit in that whole mess. Bush wanted to drive home ownership to new heights, and so did the Congress .... Republicans and Democrats. They both made a LOT of bad decisions along the way. They made it possible for loans to be made to people who should never have been given a loan. They made it possible for people to finance, essentially, a home's future value, rather than its actual value, or the credit of the buyer. It was a house of cards that was bound to collapse sooner or later. If you want a "core" problem that created all of the others, this was probably as close to one as you'll find. Both Parties were to blame. As far as who I voted for, I voted for Bush both times. Gore was never a serious contender for me. I greatly disliked his policies, so voting for him made no sense whatsoever for me. Ditto for John Kerry. I agreed with Bush on some decisions he made, and disagreed with others. In the last election, I voted for no one. I didn't like Obama, as he was way too experienced, and had no real plans ...... and I didn't like McCain in earlier primaries, and didn't like him any better last time around. Neither guy had a solid plan for turning things around, and frankly, we were going to hit bottom no matter what anyone did. We did. It's what has happened since that has turned me off to Obama. In the middle of a financial disaster is no time to expand federal spending and raise taxes. His stimulus plan was a payoff to many of his supporters. The GM and Chrysler bailouts were payoffs to the unions, and they were the only real people who would have lost in a traditional bankruptcy. GM would have been bought up by another manufacturer, with the good parts surviving, and the bad parts being shuttered and sold off for whatever they would bring. This is essentially what happened in the government sponsored bankruptcy anyway. The only difference is that there is still a company called "GM", but they are still largely owned by the US government instead of investors and shareholders. They are also, IIRC, still partially owned by the union. If this hadn't cost the US taxpayers $60 or so billion, maybe it would have been OK ..... but GM had about 70,000 US employees ,,,,, so each one of those jobs cost us about $857 million. That's a lot of money to save jobs. Sure we want to save every job we can, but it has to be within reason. There were 58,000 business bankruptcies in 2009, 58,000 again in 2010, and 50,000 last year in 2011. http://www.uscourts.gov/News/NewsView/11-11-07/Bankruptcy_Filings_Down_in_Fiscal_Year_2011.aspx None of those companies got bailed out like GM did. Why? because they weren't a voting constituency. I disagree with government, as has become the new cliche .. but is still true ..... "picking winners and losers" like that. Doing for one company, or industry, because they support your candidacy is a lousy way of doing business. This isn't hateful ..... it's true. I really don't hate people .... I hate things people do. I hate seeing people at the DNC call Republicans Nazis. I hate seeing ads saying that Romney killed a man's wife, and then seeing administration figures (Stephanie Cutter) lie about knowing about it in advance, even though she was recorded on a conference call with the very man featured in the commercial. I hate the outsourcing commercials, because they aren't accurate at all. I just see more of this kind of stuff coming deom the Democrat side than from the Republican side. The biggest idiocy I see coming from the Republican side is the birther movement. In the end, even if they had absolute proof that their claims are true, it doesn't matter. Obama's already been elected, and served almost a whole term. If they want him out, then beat him at the polls. Man, with the condition this economy is in, it shouldn't be that hard. I don't know if you were paying attention during the primaries, but Romney was the last guy I wanted to be the Republican nominee. I didn't like his past political decisions. I think that he's a decent man, probably about as good a man as you'll get at the level of a Presidential candidate, but I worry about his more liberal leanings when he was Governor. However, I see no choice but to vote for him this time around. Is this hate? What have I said that is hateful? I really want to know.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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The Democratic party as a whole is like a teenager with A.D.D. right now wanting to be the most popular kid in school, full of ideas with no direction, no structure, or concept of money. They just want it their way no matter what. If they can't have it their way, they will take their ball and go home, slander, lie, and do what ever is in their power to prevent the guy in charge from accomplishing anything no matter what the cost is to man or country.
This country is in such a great divide right now we are screwed if it continues. The animosity people are showing is staggering. The finger pointing is insane. I'm tired of it. It's almost to the point that I wish it would collapse so we could start over. I've blocked so many of my friends - liberal and conservative - from my Facebook wall just because of the asinine comments and pictures they post on a daily basis. Some are friends I've had for 25+ years. It's getting old....
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Agreed ... whatever happened to "Lets agree to disagree.... lets go get a beer" philosophy. The republicans in my mind need to stop trying to be the next cool thing and go back to there base values. I dont like the religous zealots and angry mob mentality that they have grown to become. I'm glad they have toned it down some cuz Bachman and Palin 4 years ago looked like a Jersey Shore sideshow with their comments and views. Bachman is just a lune period. Palin atleast is intelligent just misguided by her own aspirations for fame. The democrats need to grow some balls and start flexing their muscle when they are in power and stop trying to please everyone and just get things done. But because of the above paragraph... it has made it extremely hard for the dems to do anything good or bad.  and I liked how u quoted me but then changed my quote to Democrat
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I learned a long time ago that hate is hard to contain, and often leads to irrational and misguided behavior.
I choose not to hate as much as possible, for I cannot control the actions of others, only myself.
I look for way to solutions to problems, not wallow in misery, but don't call me an optimist, I am a realist.
There is too much hate and partisanship in this world, especially within politics these days.
I am a believer in the Serenity prayer. It is part of AA, but the application is universal.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
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