Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 8 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,419
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,419
Makes perfect sense to me.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,818
M
mac Offline
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,818
Quote:

Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Let's check the score board...

I buried Couch.
I buried Frye.
I buried Anderson.
I buried McCoy.
I criticized Weeden.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



toad...so that is what this is about...you feeding your own ego in some imaginary competition you are holding, "pretending" you are better qualified to be an NFL front office guru...and not what you are today?

Toad...what is it you do?...you are a shift manager of motel or something?

You sit the fence with your finger in the wind, swaying back and forth waiting for a QB to have a bad game, then you jump on him like flies on Texas cow crap.

Any NFL teams call you yet, TOAD ?...

Toad, I can honestly tell you, with pride, I supported each and every starting QB the Browns have put on the football field...because I'm a Browns fan...nothing else!









toad...tried to find a toad...a frog was the best I could do...


FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL

Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 293
L
2nd String
Offline
2nd String
L
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 293
Quote:

Quote:

lets check the score board wasnt that you calling for McCoy last week in the game day thread.
As you say thanks for playing




See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.

I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.

Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.





Putting McCoy in with 1 minute left in the game is suicide for Weeden's career in Cleveland.

If he drives down and wins, he is still Colt McCoy. No arm always checks down and throws behind receivers half the time. Then you create a media fire storm and ruin the rookie in the eyes of the fans, for what, one win against the Eagles? No one in their right mind thinks this team will make the playoffs, but this better be a year where we see young guys step up and grow.

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,478
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,478
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I hope nobody watches a game thinking, "I hope that guy screws up so we can cut him." .. I seriously hope not.


Boy have I been tempted. We've had some real dogs on this team.




marecic ......




Hoping is not the same as knowing it will happen...


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,478
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,478
General reply:

With all the finger-pointing going on, I'm going to go ahead and point out that I was right.

Weeden's future won't be written in one game. Hell, it probably won't be written over the course of one season! Him bouncing back really told us something about him, and I'm glad.

He's a rookie, and he played like on in the first game. He's got talent, and he played like it this past Sunday.

At some point in the future (sooner rather than later, hopefully) he'll have to prove to us whether he can handle an uber-talented defense like Philly or not, but he has to address several things leading up to that, first. Things like stringing together decent performances, adapting to different defenses, etc.

I'll put on my captain obvious hat for a second and point out that he's working with a LOT of raw talent out there at WR. That all by itself will be responsible for many of the in-game mistakes that we have to look forward to this year.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,456
N
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
N
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,456
Yep thats the fun with Rookies.
Week 1 he accomplished a bunch of 1sts
1st completion
1st interception
1st run for positive yards
1st loss.

Week 2
1st TD pass
1st week with no int's
1st 300yd game passing.

All that's left is 1st rushing TD and win. Then its all stat padding from there.


If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Quarterback Pass Attempts 115
Quarterback Pass Completions 65
Total Passing Yards 677
Completed Touchdown Passes 3
Total Interceptions 6
Fumble 1


Completion Percentage 56.5
Passing Yards Per Attempt 5.88
Quarterback Passer Rating 60.67

Last edited by superbowldogg; 09/23/12 07:07 PM.

Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024
He has 3 td passes.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Quote:

He has 3 td passes.




and 5 INT's


[Linked Image]

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,370
A
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
A
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,370
Quote:

Quote:

He has 3 td passes.




and 5 INT's




6 INTs but who's counting?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
j/c

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_default

Brandon Weeden Report Card, Week 3: Breaking down every pass in the Buffalo Bills game



By Dennis Manoloff, The Plain Dealer
on September 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, updated September 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Quarterback is arguably the most important position in pro football. Of the quarterback's many responsibilities, throwing the ball is by far the most important -- especially in today's NFL. The Plain Dealer and cleveland.com will track the Cleveland Browns' passing plays this season using a series of categories. The objective is to search for clues/patterns/tendencies that can help explain why rookie Brandon Weeden -- or, if the need arises, a sub -- performed the way he did.

Week 3

After an awful performance in Week 1 and a good one in Week 2, Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden was mediocre, at best, in Week 3. He went 27-of-43 for 237 yards and one touchdown in a 24-14 loss to Buffalo in Cleveland Browns Stadium. He threw two interceptions.

Weeden is not solely to blame for Cleveland's ninth straight loss over two seasons. His receivers again seemed to struggle coming out of their breaks and dropped at least three. His line gave up four sacks and was guilty of a hold that nullified a third-and-long conversion in the fourth quarter. But Weeden missed on numerous opportunities to overcome whatever mistakes his teammates made, and he failed to capitalize on a Bills defense that is far from dominant.

Upon further review on dvr, here is a capsule look at Weeden's shortcomings in Week 3:

1. Weeden sputtered in the fourth quarter. In four possessions, with a deficit of no more than 10, all he could muster were six completions for 40 yards. He was sacked twice and intercepted twice -- the picks ending the last two possessions. On the first interception, he over-shot Josh Gordon; on the second, he telegraphed his intention to throw to Ben Watson. Accounting for the 21 yards lost to sacks, Weeden's offense generated 19 net yards passing in the fourth while attempting a comeback. That is unacceptable even for Charlie Frye.



Stat: He was 6-of-10 for 40 yards and two interceptions in the fourth.



2. Weeden relied too much on the dink-and-dunk. He completed just six passes that were in the air more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Bills linebackers and safeties, knowing the Browns' tendency to throw short, pinched up and took away extensive yards after catch off the short stuff.


Stat: He was 6-of-12 on passes that were in the air more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. He averaged a pedestrian 5.5 yards per attempt overall. More than a few passes had no chance for significant gain as soon as they left the hand.

3. Weeden continued to struggle on longer throws to the right. He threw four passes to the right that were in the air 21+ yards from line of scrimmage to receiver; none was completed. He threw low to Josh Gordon; underthrew Mohamed Massaquoi; underthrew wide-open Travis Benjamin; and barely overthrew Jordan Cameron. (A fifth long pass to the right over-shot Josh Gordon at the 17-yard mark and was intercepted at the 21-yard mark by Bills corner Leodis McKelvin.) On his long balls to the right, Weeden has been unable to get the trajectory quite right.



Stat: He has not connected on a "deep'' ball to the right in three games.


4. Weeden did not make enough high-caliber throws. On a scale of 1 (lousy) to 3 (expected from NFL quarterback) to 5 (superb), he averaged 2.8 on 43 passes. For a realistic chance to beat even an average team, a quarterback likely needs to average at least 3.25.



Stat: After making five '5' throws against Cincinnati, he had one against Buffalo -- a 22-yard strike to the left to Travis Benjamin for a touchdown.



5. Weeden and Greg Little continue to have trust issues. Little, the Browns' leading receiver last year, had four passes thrown to him against Buffalo. He caught two, for 17 yards, and dropped one.



Stat: Little has been targeted 15 times in three games, catching seven passes for 74 yards and one TD.


Analyze it yourself! Here is a database of all the Browns passes Dennis Manoloff and a squad of assistants have tracked this season. You can select them by the criteria in the form below and get all the matching throws.

How to use the database
•First, choose a quarterback.
•After that, choose one or more of the other options for comparisons, such as Receiver, or Pressure, or Direction of throw. (Tip: Don't choose too many.)

•Click search. You will need to scroll right and left to see all the matched results.
You can sort the results and look for more patterns by clicking on the heading of any. Click on "Throw #" at far right to put the throws back into their original order.

Here is all our homework as a spreadsheet.
You can drag and move the dialog box to see it better, and you can copy and paste the spreadsheet into one of your own if you wish.


Weeden's bottom line



27-of-43, 237 yards, one touchdown, two interceptions, four sacks

Here is a link to the spreadsheet

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_default


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 125
F
Practice Squad
Offline
Practice Squad
F
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 125
Quote:

Quarterback Pass Attempts 115
Quarterback Pass Completions 65
Total Passing Yards 677
Completed Touchdown Passes 3
Total Interceptions 6
Fumble 1


Completion Percentage 56.5
Passing Yards Per Attempt 5.88
Quarterback Passer Rating 60.67





This team really made a mistake not bringing in a veteran WR for Weeden to work with in camp and have out there week in and week out to build his confidence ....Weeden is already behind the 8 ball in terms of development because his on the wrong side of his 20's...He's not going to get any physically better. He needs to get mentally stronger fast. A veteran would have paid huge dividends imo... This core of WR's is terrible. The only decent one is made of glass, didn't finish the game Sunday and certainly will eventually miss game(s) this season...Weeden doesn't have time to HOPE Josh Gordon develops...He needs a reliable outlet. at WR. I get Weeden has issues him self...I mean he has missed some key throws...He needs to drop those deep balls in he keeps missing...But these WR's need to make some plays and win against their guy. I think Weeden can improve and eventually be more accurate down the field... Fortunately, Weeden is going to keep getting crack's at launching it down the field, were seeing a lot of single deep coverage because of cleveland lack of any type of threat at WR....But with this group of WR's, the lack of a running game, and Weeden throwing it 40 times... This is going to be a painful year.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Weeden is like an aged cheese. He stinks worse and worse as time goes on.


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 745
K
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
K
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 745
according the expert OSGuy,they didn't need a veteran WR for this offense.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Quote:

according the expert OSGuy,they didn't need a veteran WR for this offense.




LOL we need WR help bad. it's the same thing I was saying last year.Colt, Weeden, or any QB would look a million times better.

WR WR WR


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Quote:

according the expert OSGuy,they didn't need a veteran WR for this offense.




That's not at all what I said.

I asked you who you think we could have gotten.

I don't think V Jackson or Robert Meachem help us THAT much. Based on Jackson style and Meachem being the 4th target on a passing offense.

But feel free to make stuff up.


Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,849
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,849
Did I like his overall performance.. not really.. but dude tried and almost pulled it off.. at least pulled a tie.

We just gotta execute on all aspects of the game.. until then. we continue to lose.


[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
T
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
T
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
You are such a child that you can't admit that Weeden had a decent game?

Pathetic.


you had a good run Hank.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
25/52 for 320 yards with a INT for a pick 6 is decent.

I'm more of sick of us destroying QB's that have potential. In over 10 years we haven't manage to surround any one of 15 QB with a supporting cast that will give our QB's a chance to be good.

Bottom line is that we need some WR's bad and Weeden needs to be on the bench holding a clipboard.


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 998
T
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
T
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 998
I don't think he needs benched, as I think he's definitely our best QB on the roster. No sense sitting him.


Wise words spoken by sages
From SkyTel to BlackBerry pagers
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Quote:

Weeden needs to be on the bench holding a clipboard.




Why?

What is he going to learn there that he isn't learning on the field?


Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,333
F
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
F
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,333
No way does Weeden need benched. There is nothing better than Weeden on our team! I thought he played pretty good considering the drops and the one bad throw.

What will he learn on the bench that he can't learn playing??? Watch McCoy check it down, watch McCoy throw his deep balls out of bounds, watch McCoy scramble at the first hint of pressure, watch McCoy not even attempt an out throw cause he knows he can't make that throw??? Tell me please.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Well theres what he'd learn...

What not to do.


Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 293
L
2nd String
Offline
2nd String
L
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 293
Quote:

25/52 for 320 yards with a INT for a pick 6 is decent.

I'm more of sick of us destroying QB's that have potential. In over 10 years we haven't manage to surround any one of 15 QB with a supporting cast that will give our QB's a chance to be good.

Bottom line is that we need some WR's bad and Weeden needs to be on the bench holding a clipboard.




Pick 6 that was a first down if thrown about a milisecond earlier.

If Weeden didn't have about 5 drops he probably goes for 400 yards and a td (not to mention his 94 yard drive on a ball he threw to their 1 yard line which we punched in)

Weeden isn't the problem.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,333
F
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
F
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,333
Quote:

Weeden isn't the problem.






Page 8 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Brandon Weeden Disaster thread moved - part 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5