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One thing to keep in mind when talking about head coaches is...It doesnt seem like there is ever a line of well known big name quality coaches beating our door down when we are hiring. Until we prove that the team is not going to be a laughing stock I doubt we get much other then bottom of the barrel type guys. (at least bottom of the barrel at the NFL level)
Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden is also on record loving McCoy..
FYI, There isn't a QB that Gruden doesn't love. LOL
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
I think its all a PR image thing with him regarding his QB segments. He's not going to outright call a QB going through his "camp' and say they are completely garbage and not ready for the next level.
As a coach, I see him being much more picky. Still, he would be an upgrade to Shurmur. However, I don't want just an upgrade, I want a permanent fix. I don't know who that could be.that fits the west coast system.
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He wasn't so hot on Case Keenum during the QB Camp show. Other than that, you are correct.
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I think its all a PR image thing with him regarding his QB segments.
I think that's probably a pretty safe bet considering ESPN is who he is employed by.
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I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
I wouldn't be thrilled. There's been a LOOOT of hype around Gruden and I've always felt the 95% of it came from his facial expressions and fiery demeanor.
Bit overrated in my book. I'm just about more intrigued by his brother . . .
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Have you not seen the QB carasoul that TB had when he coached? He brought in QB's like they were candy. I'd say it's more than just PR. He just can't pick one.
EDITED to add: Oops, that is for Hew, clicked on the wrong post.
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Have you not seen the QB carasoul that TB had when he coached? He brought in QB's like they were candy. I'd say it's more than just PR. He just can't pick one.
EDITED to add: Oops, that is for Hew, clicked on the wrong post.
Of course I did. I lived there then and I think it was more the case that he had none and thought that with more options the better his odds of finding a keeper.
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Of course I did. I lived there then and I think it was more the case that he had none and thought that with more options the better his odds of finding a keeper.
Dude, he had like 5 QB's on the roster.
Gruden never met a QB he didn't love!
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
Well, let's say Shurmur is a goner.
Who would you want?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Of course I did. I lived there then and I think it was more the case that he had none and thought that with more options the better his odds of finding a keeper.
Dude, he had like 5 QB's on the roster.
Gruden never met a QB he said he didn't love!
He might as well of had 0
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
Well, let's say Shurmur is a goner.
Who would you want?
No one knows who they want or who WILL do the right job here.
All I ever read is WHOEVER we have is a bum and needs run out of town.
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
Well, let's say Shurmur is a goner.
Who would you want?
Jim Tressel come on down your next up on the "Coach is wrong" game. jk
TBH I think if Shurmur wasnt calling the offense he would be a much better HC. However as for a replacement for him I have not given it alot of thought because I knew he wasnt going anywhere up until the sale of the team.
Interesting question Ill probably ponder over all season.
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I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
I wouldn't be thrilled. There's been a LOOOT of hype around Gruden and I've always felt the 95% of it came from his facial expressions and fiery demeanor.
Bit overrated in my book. I'm just about more intrigued by his brother . . .
COMPLETELY overrated.
Gruden would be the WORST person we could bring in. I'd rather we re-hire Butch than bring in Gruden. I'd seriously prefer that we keep Shurmur over Gruden.
You want someone successful? Tony Dungy... .the guy that owns the coattails Gruden rode.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Dungy! There's a thought.
Whats the word been on him? It's always Cowher this and Billick that. Nobody talks about Dungy coming back . . .
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Whats the word been on him? It's always Cowher this and Billick that. Nobody talks about Dungy coming back . . .
Possibly because those in the know, know that just about any Coach would look like a genus with Peyton Manning running their offencive attack.
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Dungy built the TB team that won the Super Bowl.
He also built the defense that Manning needed to win his Superbowl.
I think Dungy is super over rated.
I also think he's done coaching. And really wouldn't want him at this stage in his life.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Dungy built the TB team that won the Super Bowl.
He also built the defense that Manning needed to win his Superbowl.
I think Dungy is super over rated.
I also think he's done coaching. And really wouldn't want him at this stage in his life.
TB under Dungy would have never won the SB, because he was too conservative on offense. Gruden came in and finished what Dungy started, but could never finish in Tampa.
He was a very good DC, but without Manning he would have never taken the Colts to the SB either. BTJMO.
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And vice-versa.
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That much we will never know, but I do know what transpired in Tampa and if you do some research, you will find that Tony Dungy led teams in Tampa where shut out quite often in the playoffs.
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That much we will never know, but I do know what transpired in Tampa and if you do some research, you will find that Tony Dungy led teams in Tampa where shut out quite often in the playoffs.
and he also held down the high-powered Rams in the NFC champ game. That was the year he could have won it all IMO.
and realize that while the offense was being shut out, he was also given Shaun King to be his starting QB.
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
Well, let's say Shurmur is a goner.
Who would you want?
Well, I honestly haven't given it any thought, but I believe there's a decent chance that Andy Reid will be available...
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Seems like Reid wouldn't want to go to a place where his best buddy (Holmgren), former protege (Shurmur), and co-worker (Heckert) all just got fired
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That much we will never know, but I do know what transpired in Tampa and if you do some research, you will find that Tony Dungy led teams in Tampa where shut out quite often in the playoffs.
and he also held down the high-powered Rams in the NFC champ game. That was the year he could have won it all IMO.
and realize that while the offense was being shut out, he was also given Shaun King to be his starting QB.
FYI, Shaun King was his choice.
His enept offense was the reason why he was fired, even though he had a winning record and had taken them to the playoff 3 out of his last 4 years there, IIRC.
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Forgot about that.
Other than all of those factors, seems like a perfect fit.
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Seems like Reid wouldn't want to go to a place where his best buddy (Holmgren), former protege (Shurmur), and co-worker (Heckert) all just got fired
Haslam stated that he felt Holmgren had the team headed in the right direction..What if only shurmer gets fired?
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If the reports are to be believed, Holmgren is already toast. If we finish 4-12 it's hard to see Shurmur sticking around.
In the end, as another posted said, Reid probably wouldn't want to work for Banner.
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Seems like Reid wouldn't want to go to a place where his best buddy (Holmgren), former protege (Shurmur), and co-worker (Heckert) all just got fired
Haslam stated that he felt Holmgren had the team headed in the right direction..What if only shurmer gets fired?
What if none of them are fired?
No! not an option?
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While all that may or may not be true, I wasn't asked who I thought made sense. It was who I would want. 
I honestly haven't given any thought to who I'd want as HC if Shurmur got canned. I wouldn't really do any thinking on that until I saw who was brought in to man the front office. Then I'd see who was out there and who might fit.
I just believe Reid has been an excellent coach. The fact he didn't win a Super Bowl doesn't bother me a bit.
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No! not an option?
That wasn't what I was responding to. The notion was mentioned that if the entire FO and HC were fired, that Reid wouldn't want to come here as the HC.
The subject was about who people wanted as HC. So I responded with a hypothetical.
I don't know that anyone will be fired or that everyone won't be fired. These are all pure hypotheticals. At this point anything and everything is an option.
But I don't like shurmer as a HC.
Let me see him call something besides a run up the middle on first and ten a few times and I might be open to discussion on the matter.
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No! not an option?
That wasn't what I was responding to. The notion was mentioned that if the entire FO and HC were fired, that Reid wouldn't want to come here as the HC.
The subject was about who people wanted as HC. So I responded with a hypothetical.
I don't know that anyone will be fired or that everyone won't be fired. These are all pure hypotheticals. At this point anything and everything is an option.
But I don't like shurmer as a HC.
Let me see him call something besides a run up the middle on first and ten a few times and I might be open to discussion on the matter.
I know that this is all hypothetical talk ... it's just that 'no body being fired' is getting much attention with all of the speculations flying around, as if it's a foregone conclusion.
You and some others might be right about Shurmur, but I haven't seen enough to conclude that he could be the main problem.
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Stability is just another word for stagnation.
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I wouldn't call any one thing "the main" problem. When we went 4-12 last year we saw many problems. Once again this year I think we'll see far more than one problem.
They way to fix things is to try to address all of your problems. Things like clock management and not calling the exact same thing every time on first down are very basic principals. Something you expect an NFL HC to have a firm grasp on.
So I don't claim that Shurmer is necassarily "the main problem". I just have seen enough to conclude from my persective, that he just happens to be one of them.
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I wouldn't call any one thing "the main" problem. When we went 4-12 last year we saw many problems. Once again this year I think we'll see far more than one problem.
They way to fix things is to try to address all of your problems. Things like clock management and not calling the exact same thing every time on first down are very basic principals. Something you expect an NFL HC to have a firm grasp on.
So I don't claim that Shurmer is necassarily "the main problem". I just have seen enough to conclude from my persective, that he just happens to be one of them.
If the Head Coach is holding back the team and is not the man for the job, then that's a main/big problem. Weather or not the team has other problems or not ... That Coach needs to go.
Having said that I personally haven't seen enough to conclude as much with Coach Shumur.
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Gruden is on record as really liking Weeden coming out of college.
Man, I'd love to have Gruden here.
Gruden loved McCoy, too.
Come to think of it, there hasn't been a QB come through college and into the NFL since Chuckie has been a broadcaster that he hasn't liked coming out. That's his shtick.
And I'd pretty much curl up in a ball and die if he became our head coach. He's an untrustworthy snake of a man when it comes to being a HC.
Well, let's say Shurmur is a goner.
Who would you want?
Jim Tressel! 
Joking, though I wouldn't mind going the route of some hot college coach. Seriously though? Brad Seely. Period. He was an awesome as a special teams coordinator for us, improved the 49ers, and is really a damn good coach. Heck, Bill Cowher started as a special teams coach. Why not?
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