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P, just wanted to let you know I read your post and will respond to it, though I do not have time to do so today. I'm on the way to the airport now to pick up the GF, so I will respond sometime later this week (probably not tomorrow as I will be celebrating both my birthday and the weekend).

I think that all of this crap is just more and more a case for us to start drilling domestically ASAP as much as we can.

Let's get to the point where we don't need a drop of Middle East oil as soon as we can. None. Then we can back up and just support our allies, and work with them so that if anyone hurts us, or one of our allies, then we destroy them. Period.

We've been told how the Middle East hated us because we stuck out noses in their business. We were too intrusive. Now this President has pulled us out of Iraq, and has stayed out of revolutions in the region. He has set a time frame for us to leave Afghanistan, whether or not the job is done. He has apologized to the area for America's actions and supposed arrogance. He has treated enemies with kid gloves.

Now we are seen as weak as a new born kitten. Yea.

Nah, didn't you get the memo he's running that marxist islamic reptilian caliphate that's taking over the world by storm?

Youtube bro. Didn't you read his post?

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I think restoring tax codes to where they were a few decades ago is a far cry from Marxism.

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I don't disagree with you but I do have a couple questions. If he gets it through, do you think he will stop there? Do you think that's all he WANTS to do or do you think that is all he believes he can get away with?

Looking back at it - I wish Barry Goldwater had won.
I think that things would be a lot, lot different, and a lot better if he had.

I'll give exhibit A as proof of the first.

Exhibits B thru ZZZ have been given for the 'unAmerican' and 'communist' accusations already.


Exhibit A

What's scary is that there are people dumb enough to actually believe this stuff.

j/c

I'm surprised so many missed this being on FOX News and all.



Obama vows to 'bring justice' to killers in US Embassy attack in Libya

President Obama condemned the "outrageous and shocking" attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that left the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans dead, as he and other officials vowed to "bring justice" to the killers while moving quickly to bolster security in Libya and at other diplomatic posts.

"Make no mistake. Justice will be done," Obama said, speaking from the Rose Garden alongside Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Those who knew Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and the others killed expressed shock and grief Wednesday at the tragedy, which occurred on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Obama and Clinton both condemned the killers, while stressing that the U.S. bond with the Libyan government would not suffer as a result.

"Make no mistake. We will work with the Libyan government to bring justice to killers who attack our people," Obama said, adding: "There is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None."

Stevens was killed Tuesday night when he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff. The protesters, purportedly angry over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad, were firing gunshots and rocket-propelled grenades.

Obama and Clinton offered new details Wednesday about the chaotic aftermath. They said some Libyans tried to fight to defend the U.S. post while it was under attack, even carrying Stevens' body to a hospital. The Libyan doctor who treated Stevens also told The Associated Press that he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, and that he tried for 90 minutes to revive him.

Clinton, speaking from the State Department, called the tragedy "an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths."

She vowed that those responsible would be "brought to justice." However, she said the U.S. would not turn away from Libya.

"Today, many Americans are asking, indeed I ask myself ... How could this happen in a country we helped liberate in a city we helped save from destruction?" Clinton said. "We must be clear-eyed even in our grief. ... This was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or government of Libya."

Obama, in a statement Wednesday morning, said he's directed the administration to provide "all necessary resources" to support security for U.S. personnel in Libya and to increase security at diplomatic offices around the world. One U.S. official said a team of 50 Marines is being deployed to Benghazi to secure the compound.

Obama's presidential rival Mitt Romney also addressed the tragedy during a stop in Florida. Romney called the attack "disgusting," as he also criticized the Obama administration for an Egypt Embassy statement that initially expressed sympathy for those offended by the Islam film. That was in connection with a separate attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

Obama made clear in his written statement that the administration firmly condemns the violence.

"While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants," Obama said.

Obama called Stevens "a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States" who "selflessly served our country and the Libyan people" throughout the Libyan revolution.

"His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice," the president said.

The State Department identified one of the other three Americans killed as Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith, a husband and father of two who had worked for the State Department for 10 years. The U.S. government is still notifying the next of kin for the other two individuals killed, and has not identified them.

Clinton described Stevens as a passionate and dedicated diplomat who had devoted himself to the transition in post-Qaddafi Libya.

"As the conflict in Libya unfolded, Chris was one of the first Americans on the ground in Benghazi. He risked his own life to lend the Libyan people a helping hand to build the foundation for a new, free nation," she said.

Stevens was appointed as ambassador to Libya in May 2012.

He served as a special representative to the Libyan Transitional National Council during the revolution in 2011, and as the deputy chief of mission from 2007 to 2009. Originally from California, Stevens was an international trade lawyer before joining the Foreign Service in the early 1990s. He also served as a volunteer in the Peace Corps from 1983 to 1985, teaching English in Morocco.

U.S. officials remain on alert for violence at other diplomatic posts.

Hours before the Benghazi attack, hundreds of mainly ultraconservative Islamist protesters in Egypt marched to the U.S. Embassy in downtown Cairo, gathering outside its walls and chanting against the movie and the U.S. Most of the embassy staff had left the compound earlier because of warnings of the upcoming demonstration.

Dozens of protesters then scaled the embassy walls, and several went into the courtyard and took down the American flag from a pole.

They brought it back to the crowd outside, which tried to burn it, but failing that tore it apart. The protesters on the wall then raised on the flagpole a black flag with a Muslim declaration of faith, "There is no god but God and Muhammad is his prophet." The flag, similar to the banner used by Al Qaeda, is commonly used by ultraconservatives around the region.

On Wednesday, the U.S. Embassy in Algiers was warning Americans in the country to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for more protests after the Libya attack.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/.../#ixzz26jARQ3K1

A precident has already been set here in case people have forgotten. We were also working with the Pakistani govornment until it was shown they were't doing any work.

Then Obama did what PPE suggested with a special ops deployment.

People can aspouse what they desire too, but Obama has shown a willingness to go to whatever lengths necassary to get our enemies. He did make statements to that effect and somehow people were too busy discussing political talking points to show that.

This was a terrorist act be Muslim Fundamentalists, nothing else. To insinuate that all of Libya and their government should somehow be punished by the acts of a few is foolish to say the least.

But then the precident was set for that in Iraq. I would have hoped people would have learned a valuable lesson from that but it seems some have not.

Pit, he said a lot of the right things. I hope he means them. Bill Clinton said a lot of the right things too.. he said them after the Khobar Towers barracks bombings, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole bombing, the WTC 1 bombing, he always said that justice would be done and people would be held accountable and yada yada yada... then he would take a poll to find out what kind of a response would best boost his image and he would act accordingly.. and in the end, other than a few lackeys on the ground who drove vans and wired up explosives, nobody was ever really held accountable...

I hope Obama actually means what he says and does right by the Americans who have died.

My biggest problem with this whole situation is this idiotic blaming of some YouTube video.

This has nothing to do with a video on YouTube. The attack in Libya was basically a professional hit on the Embassy. Ordinary people who are mad about some amateur online video don't show up with automatic weapons and rocket launchers.

Plus, the administration should be 100% concentrated on protecting our people, not making excuses. They should have said: "While some may want to blame a video or image for this attack, in the end, it is no excuse. There is no excuse for someone to attack an Embassy and to murder innocent people. In the US, we have learned to allow free speech, even when we disagree with it. We have watched and stood silently as you have burned our flag, and other things that Americans find appalling. We have respected your right to express yourself. You need to learn to do the same. We have not retaliated for any of the insults you have heaped upon our country, flag, and people, but like any giant being stung by gnats, sooner or later we might just scratch. Murdering our Embassy personnel is unacceptable. You might want to consider the consequences if we ever do decide that we need to scratch."

Pussyfooting around, and making excuses for murderers, as this administration has done, is unacceptable to me. If we continue to show that we have no backbone, then we will be hit again and again. It was this kind of timid foreign policy that led to the 9-11 attacks. People thought us weak and disconnected. They thought that the US people would break under the weight of such an attack. They thought that they could scare us.

What they did was wake a sleeping giant ...... and it doesn't hurt to remind them that any attack on us could have similar consequences.

Of course, this President seems more willing to try to get along with scumbags than to wipe them off the face of the earth, or scare them to the point where the cost is too high for them to bear. I truly worry about the future, because I can clearly see another attack on the horizon, brought on by emboldening our enemies, by making them think that we are scared, timid, and unwilling to stand up to them.

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I have reason to believe he does.

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Well I hope you are right and I hope he does it in a measured way that doesn't cause people who don't currently hate us, to start hating us.

I know there are those who feel it is better to be feared than liked/respected and that all "these people" understand is power... I tend to disagree. Some segments of people are NEVER going to like us.. I don't care if we give them all cars and houses or blow them up, they are NOT going to like us... so we need to work on befriending the ones that will like us.. and unfortunately they live right next door... so blowing up a city block isn't going to help us in the long run.

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The Obama administration has finally started to call the attack on the Embassy a terror attack.

I bet that they still push the idiotic story that the YouTube video, that has been online since July, was the cause of the attacks on our Embassies.

So...the White House spokesperson is now calling the attack an act of terror.

And Obama keeps saying the attack was a result of the youtube video.



He gave himself an "incomplete".

We are sending Egypt a Billion dollars.

Where is the leadership?

With the parade of intelligence personnel saying under oath that there was no doubt whatsoever from the word go that Benghazi was a terrorist attack ....... and the administration saying for weeks after the attacks that they were spontaneous, resulting from some stupid video ...(an excuse that I don't think that any rational person bought) when do people like Hillary Clinton. Jay Carney, and Sec Rice get called on the carpet before Congress for lying repeatedly to the American people?

Obama had one area left where he was seen as effective, and that was foreign policy. He, and his administration lied about these attacks to somehow protect himself.... even though he had to know that the truth would eventually come out. Of course, maybe he assumed that his network friends would protect him ..... but an ambassador being taken from one of our Embassies, brutally attacked, sodomized, and murdered tends to attack attention that cannot be ignored for long, even by the big networks.

This President has failed in every possible way. Hopefully we only have 4 more weeks ....... until he's voted out anyway.