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how about we change the name, uniforms, get a logo, etc.. I'm all for it, the browns have sucked forever, I hope haslem changes everything.
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how about we change the name, uniforms, get a logo, etc.. I'm all for it, the browns have sucked forever, I hope haslem changes everything.
There's a part of me that agrees with this.
I will say, however, if the name is changed I probably would pick a new team to root for. They want to change the uniforms? Ok. Put a logo on the helmet? Fine. Get cheerleaders? Cool.
But I grew up rooting for the Cleveland Browns, not the Cleveland Cosmonauts. I would have no emotional connection to a team not named the BROWNS.
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how about we change the name, uniforms, get a logo, etc.. I'm all for it, the browns have sucked forever, I hope haslem changes everything.
There's a part of me that agrees with this.
I will say, however, if the name is changed I probably would pick a new team to root for. They want to change the uniforms? Ok. Put a logo on the helmet? Fine. Get cheerleaders? Cool.
But I grew up rooting for the Cleveland Browns, not the Cleveland Cosmonauts. I would have no emotional connection to a team not named the BROWNS.
i'm all for change minus changing the name of the team. everything else.... have at it. Just produce a winning team.
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Interesting where we draw the line. I think name, (no) logo and colors are untouchable to me. We had to fight to get them back and I don't think we ought to ever give them up.
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That would put something on the field worth watching
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You haven't seen who's lining up for try outs yet.
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Cheerleaders aren't going to get me rooting for the Browns unless they are winning some football games.I am sick of this team losing.Front office needs to concentrate on how to win,not cheerleaders.If they don't start winning,who the hell wants to cheer anyway?
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Yes for the couple hundred folks the cheerleaders are standing in front of. The remaining 70,000 people can't hear them. Many can't even see them. I just don't get the purpose of having cheerleaders beyond the college game where it's part of the fabric of the college experience. If a pro team needs 10 bimbos to excite their 70,000+ attending fans at any given game, they should be spending the cheerleader's pay on better coaching and athletes. Just win. I'll cheer.
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LOL, yeah...the cost of cheerleaders is going to buy us better coaches or players.
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It was a general statement of 'get your priorities in order'. Having cheerleaders comes #199 on a list of 100 things this team/managment should be focusing on.
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meh, I dont think it will take time away from anyone important to the management of the team. It looks like a private 3rd party will interview and take care of the whole process. All Haslam has to do is sign a check.
I dont think it will matter one way or another, but I am certainly not against it.
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If a pro team needs 10 bimbos to excite their 70,000+ attending fans at any given game, they should be spending the cheerleader's pay on better coaching and athletes. Just win. I'll cheer.
Cheerleaders are not to rile up 70,000 fans on game day. They serve several functions, in no particular order:
1. To provide something to pan to before and after commercial breaks.
2. To show on the jumbo tron when nothing else exciting is happening.
3. To make a calendar to make money.
4. To make public appearances especially in the offseason to keep the name of the Browns out there at golf tournaments, car dealership openings, etc.
There are probably others but that's all I can think of... the last thing they will be doing is leading the fans in actual "cheers".. in fact I don't think pro cheerleaders even say anything, they just dance and look hot...
Getting cheerleaders is fine, its really a non-event. It's like the congress passing legislation to name a bridge after an old dead guy when we are $15 trillion in debt. Is it the most important thing they have to do? No. Is it going to solve a single problem? No. Is it in any way stopping them from doing the other things that need done? No.
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i would like it if they managed to hire cheerleaders who are actually browns fans.
At this level it seems like they cant really serve their purpose, as they are more fans of cheerleading than fans of the team.
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So essentially they're ambassadors with cleavage? Great business model. Win. The marketing will take care of itself.
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I hope we go with Sleezy.....Peppy cheerleaders make me ill
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What do y'all have against fun? You act like having cheerleaders is an impediment to winning...
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I can say this much... not having cheerleaders certainly doesn't help winning, so we may as well try it the other way 
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Winning is fun. A few chicks in skirts on the sidelines does nothing for me or the team. If I want eye candy my girlfriend is smoking hot. I'll look at her. I'm a Browns fan. A football fan. I just don't see what the appeal is to having irrelivent chics that probably don't even know the game, trouncing about on the sideline. Sorry it does nothing for me. I'm not a 15 year old boy hoping to get a shot of sideboob.
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Hell, I'm not 15 years old either, but I can certainly appreciate a group of skantily clad, good looking women cheering their butts off for the Browns.
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yeah I don't know what all the hate is on the Browns having cheerleaders... especially as others ahve pointed out they are used more as ambassadors for the team when the mascot or players make appearances around town... will it help the on-field production? no... will it help the over-all experience on game day? sure... not as much as actually winning... but it sure as heck can't hurt to have them there.
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Me too.. and when it comes to football, I'm also a wings fan, a beer fan, a chili fan, and an accessible bathroom fan.. none of which has anything to do with winning... Just like painting your face, tailgating before, getting autographs, going to OTAs, playing loud music, painting a logo on midfield and/or in the endzones, having fireworks, dry ice tunnels and whatever else teams do... none of it has anything to do with winning... but it is part of being a fan and the whole game day experience for a lot of people... why would cheerleaders be any different?
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70% of the people in the stands don't know the game either... and they get to be there. Heck our coach doesn't... oh, never mind.
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Well it's not all about you now, is it?
You're right. The 200 people that can actually see them can enjoy sitting on their hands and not paying attention to the game.
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Me too.. and when it comes to football, I'm also a wings fan, a beer fan, a chili fan, and an accessible bathroom fan.. none of which has anything to do with winning... Just like painting your face, tailgating before, getting autographs, going to OTAs, playing loud music, painting a logo on midfield and/or in the endzones, having fireworks, dry ice tunnels and whatever else teams do... none of it has anything to do with winning... but it is part of being a fan and the whole game day experience for a lot of people... why would cheerleaders be any different?
I guess I just kind of find it pathetic. Hey bimbo go work as a stripper I'll have more respect for you.
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70% of the people in the stands don't know the game either... and they get to be there. Heck our coach doesn't... oh, never mind.
Call me a traditionalist I guess. One of the old guard. No logo. No cheerleaders. Grass field. Outdoors.
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You're right. The 200 people that can actually see them can enjoy sitting on their hands and not paying attention to the game.
I guess if you go to college game or an away game you don't watch the game because there are cheerleaders present?
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You could also see her more than 8 times a year that way. 
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That's fine. It's just not the way the world, or football, is headed... It's a glitz and glamour world with giant HD jumbo trons, instant replay, flashy uniforms, more passing, no yelling at the refs, pyrotechnics before and after games, exotic food and drink choices at the stadium, hot female sideline reporters, instant stats for everything, the Red Zone channel... the times are changing, you can either embrace it or dig your feet in the mud and refuse to change... either way the times are changing.
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You're right. The 200 people that can actually see them can enjoy sitting on their hands and not paying attention to the game.
I guess if you go to college game or an away game you don't watch the game because there are cheerleaders present?
No, but I can also say I don't recall seeing cheerleaders. Maybe because I'm there to watch the game. If I need cleavage and football I'll go to Hooters.
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That's fine. It's just not the way the world, or football, is headed... It's a glitz and glamour world with giant HD jumbo trons, instant replay, flashy uniforms, more passing, no yelling at the refs, pyrotechnics before and after games, exotic food and drink choices at the stadium, hot female sideline reporters, instant stats for everything, the Red Zone channel... the times are changing, you can either embrace it or dig your feet in the mud and refuse to change... either way the times are changing.
Just because it's changing doesn't mean we have to allow the lowest common denominator, Mt Dew chugging, mouth breathers dictate our tradition. What's next changing the colors because the 'hip kids' don't like orange and brown? What's wrong with tradition?
Thanks but I'll dig my feet in.
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Call me a traditionalist I guess. One of the old guard. No logo. No cheerleaders. Grass field. Outdoors.
I've yet to figure out what about cheerleaders is in contradiction with being a traditionalist. The game of football, even at the professional level, has had them basically since its inception. We are the ONLY team that hasn't....for really no good reason other than "that's how it was so that's how it should stay".
I enjoy looking at hot women. I enjoy looking at scantily clad hot women even more. I would THOROUGHLY enjoy scantily clad hot women who cheer for the Browns. It's not like I'm going to sit and stare at them for the entire game and cause me to never watch a snap. I'm there to watch the game...I'm going to watch the game. But there is a LOT of dead time between changes of possession, reviews, tv timeouts, between quarters and halves....not to mention the amount of "down time" during the second half of games where the Browns are hardly playing that thing called "football". In those times, what is the harm in providing something that a fan can enjoy?
Do you enjoy drinking beer? Do you purposely refrain from drinking ANY at the stadium because you're a traditionalist and are there to "watch the game only" and don't want it to distract you as well? Or, are you appreciative of the fact that you can enjoy TWO things you like at the same time?
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I was all for cheerleaders for many years. Then I went to a Browns game in Oakland and watched the Raiders cheerleaders. I'll include a photo below: [img]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1111/espn_ap_raiders_cheer1_300.jpg[/img] Now they danced very sluttily for three full hours. Probably 2 hours and 45 minutes more than I needed to see. And normally I ldon't mind slutty dancing!  It got me thinking that it's just not what I want to have a Browns games. As I dad with a daughter it just sends such a warped message. If we had cheerleaders that were old school cheerleaders...or even if they were like USC's cheerleaders or Buckeyes cheerleaders I'd be okay with it. [image]http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=36313971[/image] But trust me you don't want or need to watch a dozen slutty looking girls dancing sluttily. It's just too long and it brings out the worst in ramrod fans.
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Do you enjoy drinking beer? Do you purposely refrain from drinking ANY at the stadium because you're a traditionalist and are there to "watch the game only" and don't want it to distract you as well? Or, are you appreciative of the fact that you can enjoy TWO things you like at the same time?
Wrong guy to ask that question. I don't drink. Don't like the way alcohol makes me feel anymore.
I understand your arguement. I still think its weird that a stadium of 70,000 people are some how affected by cheerleaders. Again, of the 70,000 people in the stands, how many people can even see them without using binoculars? What's the point?
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Well I guess many of you wouldn't like my idea then. Just like the Red Zone Channel, I would have the cheerleading channel, it would show all the different chearleaders from all the teams like 30 seconds at a time then switch to another teams cheerleaders. It would only air during the 1:00pm and 4:00pm games just like the red zone channel.
IMO, it would be huge, second only to football on Sundays.
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I wouldn't like it as it would take away something unique to the Browns. Cheerleaders are no big deal, but it's fun talking about it. If we had them (just like everyone else) it would be a little sad to me. I wouldn't be able to give other teams grief for it, and repeat lines as we've seen in this thread.
ie' I don't need cheerleaders to tell me when to cheer. I know when to cheer"
"They distract from the REAL thing we are watching"
"real fans don't need anything but football!"
See if we DID have them, I'd have slightly less ammo for talking to my other football fan friends. That would be as much as it would impact me really.
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It's a sad reflection of the state of our once proud franchise.
We can't boast about our play on the field...because it's wretched. So instead we rib other teams about having cheerleaders when we don't "need" them.
Heaven forbid if we lose the ability to talk THAT smack, there might not be anything left for us to talk about!
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Whats really sad is that were having a discussion over cheerleaders, should the Browns have cheerleaders or not have cheerleaders, is it a tradition or not a tradition, isnt there something more important in this world or in our lives that we can just look over cheerleaders and move on, Having or not having cheerleaders is not going to turn the Borwns around over night, not going to make our run defence any better or make our guards know how to run block or learn to pass protect, haivng cheerleaders is not the point where this franchise turns the corner and starts looking ahead for the super bowl....
Who cares if we have cheerleaders, If we have them great, if we dont ok move on...it's really not a big deal either way.
I JUST WANNA FREAKEN WIN.......WIN...bottom line, WIN
it's sad we have to talk about Cheerleaders during the NFL season, If the Browns would put a winning product on the field for the fans we'd never even notice the cheerleaders, we'd be watching the team, but instead when your 0 - 3 what else do ya have....I'm going hunten
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