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Trout, Pujols, and Hamilton in the same lineup is ridiculous. That is all.
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Let them spend away. I think it's funny.
When is Trout a free agent? I would guess a while from now since he was a rookie last year.
But damn, the Dodgers and Angels are really fighting for the SoCal baseball dollar.
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Trout, Pujols, and Hamilton in the same lineup. WTF.
They still need another frontline starting pitcher though.
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Trout, Pujols, and Hamilton in the same lineup. WTF.
They still need another frontline starting pitcher though.
they'll be a fun team to watch? so, they let Greinke, Haren and Santana (ok, he was bad last year, but still) all walk and replace them with Hamilton?
perhaps they have Edwin or Marcum in their back pocket? otherwise they'll look foolish for not being in the market for guys like McCarthy who just signed with AZ.
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Trumbo is a 30 to 40 homer guy himself. they look like the indians of the 90's.
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Trumbo is a 30 to 40 homer guy himself. they look like the indians of the 90's.
And we all know how well that translated into guaranteed World Series titles. 
Let them spend away, it guarantees nothing...not even a playoff birth. Everyone had the Angels winning the whole thing last year (or at least getting into the playoffs). And then BAM....the A's win the West with the Rangers in the wildcard.
The Dodgers will have the money to fix any FA mistakes they make (Yanks and Red Sox too)....not sure about the Angels.
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Yea you go from sunny Anaheim to gloomy Detroit. But Hunter is out for the money himself, he isn't fooling anyone here.
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At any rate their offense will be pretty darn good. But we've seen here that only gets you so far. I wonder if they will trade Trumbo to get another arm. They need more than Weaver, and Wilson.
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At any rate their offense will be pretty darn good. But we've seen here that only gets you so far. I wonder if they will trade Trumbo to get another arm. They need more than Weaver, and Wilson.
Ubaldo for him straight up.
Ok....and we'll accept a bag of balls and three cotton candy machines too.
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Trout, Pujols, and Hamilton in the same lineup. WTF.
They still need another frontline starting pitcher though.
they'll be a fun team to watch? so, they let Greinke, Haren and Santana (ok, he was bad last year, but still) all walk and replace them with Hamilton?
perhaps they have Edwin or Marcum in their back pocket? otherwise they'll look foolish for not being in the market for guys like McCarthy who just signed with AZ.
Well they did trade for Tommy Hanson. I know he had an off year last year but still a lot of potential there.
They also signed Blanton but yeah, its Joe Blanton.
Weaver, Wilson, Hanson, maybe Garrett Richards I guess, Joe Blanton. Could be worse.
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but I'll bet it was the McDonald's in Independence with the chandeliers and such. Classy.
seriously though, Nick Swisher would be a huge get for our team. i'm not holding my breath, but i'll cross my fingers.
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Meh, McDonalds wouldn't do it for me. White Castle on the other hand...  
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We still need starting pitcher like a poor man needs money, though.
We also need the MLB to enact a hard cap like the NFL and NHL. Yes, I've heard the counter arguments time and time again. I want NFL style parity in the MLB. I want to see teams retain players for the long haul instead of seeing Oakland, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Minnesota having to sell/trade off all their guys. The whole two year competitive window and then reload/rebuild is ridiculous. It shouldn't have to be that way.
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i agree we need SP badly. and there are not many on the FA market worth signing: http://espn.go.com/mlb/freeagentsKyle Lohse Shaun Marcum Edwin Jackson Colby Lewis all those guys are getting at least $10mil/season. after that it's flier guys: Zambrano Chris Young Randy Wolf Chien-Ming .
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I'd give Zambrano a chance if we didn't already have Ubaldo in the rotation.
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I want to see teams retain players for the long haul instead of seeing Oakland, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Minnesota having to sell/trade off all their guys.
Yeah! Guys like Longoria, Santana, McCutcheon, and Mauer will never sign long term extensions with their current teams!
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A well run organization competes every year. The Rays win totals since 2008: 97, 84, 96, 91, 90. And they should be good in 2013 for many years to come.
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Mauer's contract was horrible. He hasn't done much of anything to warrant that contract. It's why Minnesota has sucked the past couple of years.
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It's been shown time and time again that the Rays and Athletics tend to be exceptions to the general rule. Just because two teams can do it doesn't mean everyone else can. It's much like the whole bootstraps mentality which exists in politics. Show me more comparable teams to the Indians who are perennial World Series contenders and then I may buy into keeping the robber-baron mentality of the MLB.
Completely dumping Wahoo would be another step this organization needs to take.
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I didn't say it was good. I said that the Twins had the money to sign him.
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Joe Mauer is a rarity in baseball. A catcher who can play defense and hit. In signed his contract in March 2010. In 2009 he had on of the best seasons for a catcher ever hitting .365/.444/.587 with 28 home runs. That is ri-dic-ulous. He will likely never repeat those numbers, but when healthy, he is still one of the best hitters in the league, last year hitting .319/.416 (best in the league)/.446
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Minnesota has sucked. In 2011 Mauer was hurt, hard to blame him for that. In 2012 he played great and they still sucked. I would say Minnesota has sucked because they have no pitching, which has little to do with Mauer's salary. Last year they paid Carl Pavano, Scott Baker, Francisco Liriano, Nick Blackburn, and Matt Capps a combined $30.25 million. This off-season what have the Twins done? Invested in pitching. They have traded Span and Revere for pitching prospects and signed pitchers.
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Show me more comparable teams to the Indians who are perennial World Series contenders and then I may buy into keeping the robber-baron mentality of the MLB.
But I can't show you the Rays. One of the teams with the least amount of money, but the most well run.
The Indians spent $78,430,300 million last year. Teams within $5 million of that: Braves, Reds, Mariners, Orioles, Nationals, Rockies, Blue Jays, and Diamondbacks. The Braves, Reds, Orioles, and Nationals all managed to be good somehow. The Mariners won seven more games than the Indians, the Rockies are one of the worst run organizations, the Blue Jays were killed by injuries, and the Diamondbacks finished at .500.
In baseball, if you make the playoffs you are a World Series contender. The Braves, Reds, and Nationals are all comparable to the Indians and will be perennial contenders.
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the Rays and Athletics tend to be exceptions to the general rule. Just because two teams can do it doesn't mean everyone else can.
the Indians have been almost as successful as the A`s:
OakA`s wins ('04-'12): 91,88,*93, 76,75,75,81,74,*94
Indians wins ('04-'12): 80,93, 78,*97,81,65,69,80, 68
A`s have 2 playoff berth, 1 playoff series win, and 1 90win season outside of those.
Indians have 1 playoff berth, 1 playoff series win, and 1 90win season outside of that one.
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you can make an argument for the Braves and Reds, but the Nationals are not comparable to the Indians.
first, they had 2 top draft picks who helped them tremendously. Strasburg and Harper were among the most touted draft picks in a long time and they got both of them and both are looking like the real deal.
also, the Nats are coming into a large fortune from their market share and they had started spending up to it the past couple of seasons. they are still building it up (after tearing it down) but are doing so while making decisions based on having that money in the future.
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And the A's spent $23,057,800 less than the Indians last year.
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And the A's spent $23,057,800 less than the Indians last year.
yes, they seem to always spend less than the Tribe. i wish we were as good at finding the young SPs as their scouts seem to be.
we do seem to be copying their SP philosophy though. Draft or Trade for SPs. FA is mostly for hitters.
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Mauer is a good player. But he has hit 22 home runs in 3 seasons since they moved into Target Field. I'm sorry but you don't sign a catcher to a 184 million contract who primarily gets singles and doubles. That was a horrible investment. For that type of money you could almost get the best hitter in the game, and definitely the best pitcher in the game. That same year,Minny lost several key guys from the bullpen, due to Mauer's hefty contract.
I know the Indians have their issues, but Minnesota is one team they don't have to worry about, until they move Mauer. They will continue to suck.
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Obviously we disagree with Mauer's value as a player, but my original point was that "small-market" teams can sign their homegrown players to extensions. It is up to them to make the decision on whether they should or not.
Even the Yankees and Red Sox have felt the effects of long-term big money extensions, so this is not something that is exclusive to small market teams only.
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Just heard on the radio that Swisher has left Cleveland, he was offered a 4yr $50 million deal. Not really sure how I feel about this offer. Would fell much better if it was only a 2yr deal. He grew up in Columbus, OH so this should get done right?
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we are supposedly competing with Red Sox, Rangers and Giants for him. Someone will see what we offered, add a few million and wrap it up. If he left Cleveland, then he isn't coming back.
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Unless someone offers him the same money and a better chance to win.
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Honestly, I don't think he ever intended on signing here. I'm not sure that treating him like a high school football recruit helped much either.
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I think Swisher is thinken seriously about signing here, He might have been hoping for more money thinken Ohio team may open up the wallet to get a home grown boy, While Dolan was hoping for a home town discount. Hopefully both sides have alittle room to move.
I cant blame Swisher for going after the money, this will problebly be his only time to get a big contract, I'm intrested in seeing just how much money he's asking for up front, My only problem with Swisher is he's injury prone....I'd rather sign a Cody Ross for less and have him play more,
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Nick Swisher has played at least 148 of 162 games in each of the last 7 seasons.
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I cant blame Swisher for going after the money, this will problebly be his only time to get a big contract, I'm intrested in seeing just how much money he's asking for up front, My only problem with Swisher is he's injury prone....I'd rather sign a Cody Ross for less and have him play more,
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As a Yankee fan, I've seen plenty of Swish. He's an overall good guy, and he was a fan favorite until the fans got sick of his play during the playoffs.
He's a very good hitter, and he has great at bats. He makes pitchers throw insane amounts of balls and the count always seems to be full with him fouling off pitches. His OBP is very good too.
But come playoff time, Swisher brings nothing to the table, and that's why he and NY are separating. Check out his playoff batting statistics the last 4 years. You'll see, the guy gets into the playoffs and he can't hit for anything.
It's infuriating and why I wanted a Yankee outfield of Ichiro, Gardner, and Granderson through the whole playoffs. That is the best fielding combination in baseball (as Swisher is a mediocre fielder). Ichiro back at right field.
I remember Texiera talking about Swish once and Swisher was telling him about how some diving catch. "He said, "Tex, you should have seen me out there I was running like the wind!" And Tex said, "I saw the play, and you don't run like the wind"" lol
After the fans in right field started blaming him for Jeter getting hurt, it pretty much spelled the end of Nick Swisher in New York...........
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I think we'll cross that road when we come to it...
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Link Darn, looks like Swisher signed here  . Not a fan of his at all.
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Well, the Indians had to do something to fix their outfield. Swisher will help a great deal out there, and could slide into the DH role down the line.
He wouldn;t have been my first choice, but frankly, getting anyone to sign in Cleveland at this point is a plus, and he does fill a gaping hole.
I'm certainly not going to blast the Indians over this one. He should be an upgrade over Hafner, and at roughly the same money if I'm not mistaken.
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Indians, Nick Swisher agree to deal
December 23, 2012, 10:27 AM ET
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Outfielder Nick Swisher has agreed to a four-year, $56 million contract with the Cleveland Indians, a source told ESPN.
The contract also includes a $14 million option for a fifth season that will "easily vest, the source said, making the potential total value of the contract $70 million.
Swisher's contract agreement was earlier reported by the New York Daily News.
The 32-year-old Swisher spent the past four seasons with the New York Yankees.
He would immediately fill a hole in right field for Cleveland, which traded Shin-Soo Choo to Cincinnati this month and has been trying to improve a team that collapsed in August and finished 68-94.
A switch-hitter, Swisher batted .272 with 24 homers and 93 RBIs in 148 games last season, his fourth with the Yankees.
The Indians have been in the market for an outfielder throughout the offseason. They offered Shane Victorino a four-year contract worth a reported $44 million before he signed a three-year, $39 million deal with Boston.
He and his wife, actress JoAnna Garcia, who is expecting the couple's first child in May, were at Progressive Field on Dec. 18 for a tour of the team's facilities, including the club's family room and a lunch with manager Terry Francona, team executives and former Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel.
Swisher and his wife were shown a suite and the team's clubhouse before the Indians tugged at Swisher's Ohio State connections to convince him Cleveland should be his next baseball home. Swisher played baseball for the Buckeyes.
The Indians played a video on their scoreboard that featured current Ohio State football coach Urban Meyer and basketball coach Thad Matta, who encouraged Swisher to join the Indians. Swisher was moved by the gesture and didn't expect to see Tressel at lunch in the stadium's Terrace Club.
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We had to replace Choo, and 24HR and 93 RBI's should do that nicely. He has to be a better outfielder than Choo was, who seemed to forget about how to track fly balls, although I doubt he throws as well as Choo. Added benefit is he switch hits - we needed some RH pop. Good move, and like Ytown said, you won't hear me complaining that the Indians finally spent some $$.
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There are rumors circulating that the Indians are also in on Michael Bourne even with the Nick Swisher signing.
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