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Paco, Milliner played great last night. I'd take him if we can't trade down and Moore was gone. I wouldn't be upset if we took him and Moore was still there.
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Paco, Milliner played great last night. I'd take him if we can't trade down and Moore was gone. I wouldn't be upset if we took him and Moore was still there.
one thing he did (and other Bama DBs, so this was taught) was he would always bat the ball up and away when deflecting a pass instead of down.
it makes sense because there are usually more defensive players around so if you bat the ball away and up (like a volleyball set) the odds are better you get an INT.
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I was way more impressed with Mosley. That dude can play....
If anything, Mosley may have jumped up a few spots.
I think I remember seeing Mosely saying he's coming back next year... like a few weeks ago.
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Before anyone suggests it, mccarron would be gone by 2.
ok, here is the way we are going to reinvent ourselves.
first, Haslam convinces Saban to come to the Browns. Hopefully, he is following Saban right now and mentioning how he is a 63yo with 3 titles in 4 years and this is likely his last shot at proving to the world he can be just as dominant in the NFL.
second, Saban convinces AJ to say he's going back to school. at the draft, all the teams ahead of us that need a QB take one (we take Milliner). then, AJ gets himself into the supplemental draft (I'm sure good ole Saban can find a way). We take AJ.
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I was way more impressed with Mosley. That dude can play....
If anything, Mosley may have jumped up a few spots.
I think I remember seeing Mosely saying he's coming back next year... like a few weeks ago.
Weird. I thought I saw him in a few mocks.
If he comes back just cancel the season. I love my Buckeyes, but they don't have the horses to compete with that.
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McCarron needs to go back to school, he's a 3rd round prospect right now who thrives with a dominant running game and more talent around him than most college QBs can dream about...
The one time this year that he was asked to carry his team, against TAMU, he failed throwing an INT early to put his team behind and throwing another at the end with a chance to win the game...
I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying I wouldn't restructure my coaching hire and my draft for the next couple years around getting him... at least not yet.
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I havent read any of this thread, save for this page.
Has there been any talk on Bjoern Werner? I think he's become my favorite for our first pick. He reminds me of a JJ Watt type impact guy, but as a 4-3 DE...and in the 2nd round, i think it would be prudent to make some sort of move to get Ryan Nassib.
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McCarron needs to go back to school, he's a 3rd round prospect right now who thrives with a dominant running game and more talent around him than most college QBs can dream about...
The one time this year that he was asked to carry his team, against TAMU, he failed throwing an INT early to put his team behind and throwing another at the end with a chance to win the game...
I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying I wouldn't restructure my coaching hire and my draft for the next couple years around getting him... at least not yet.
the SEC championship game is so long ago you don't remember it? sort of led a pretty important comeback there. did the same thing late against LSU 
my post was mostly in gest. honestly, I don't know how you evaluate McCarron with that OL in front of him. he made some spectacular throws throughout the season, but he never really had to worry about getting them off either.
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McCarron can play but I agree, he's a 2/3 rounder right now. Even if he came out I don't like any of these QB's coming out. I'd rather draft a guy late in hopes of keeping him on the bench and grooming at least a solid backup.
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Chance Warmack looks like Shawn Andrews 2.0, Andrews had back issues and mental health issues, but damn when Andrews was on he was scary. Warmack is a lot like him, huge , powerful, ungodly thick, mean, runs hot, explosive, aggressive, but under that layer of fat is a pure fast twitch athlete. He can either take out your opponents nose tackle if your center cant or go up top and take out ILB or SLB every time. He himself is a hard match do to such a raw blend of size speed and power. He can take away your teams best line backer or best tackle, interesting prospect in terms of finding match ups.
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I know we have used quite a few high picks on OL, but getting him at 6 would not anger me at all. Especially if Jones and MIlliner are off the board. Would probably prefer to trade back and somehow find ourselves back in the 2nd round, but Warmack would make our line look scary.
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He put it on Te'o all night. Got to the next level and did real damage.
He blew people up at LOS. It was one of the best LG games I've seen.
Not used to seeing a LG that big that can move.
My preference was to fix the OL through free agency due to our youth and the investments we've made.
Now...I'd have no reservations about Warmack at 6
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I know we have used quite a few high picks on OL, but getting him at 6 would not anger me at all.
Took the words right off my keyboard. With the addition of Warmack we would have a dominant offensive line.
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I know we have used quite a few high picks on OL, but getting him at 6 would not anger me at all.
Took the words right off my keyboard. With the addition of Warmack we would have a dominant offensive line.
With a healthy T-Rich coming back, and Hardesty looking like he's finally over his knee problems, that could really turn this offense around. If Richardson still dances for 2 yard runs behind that line, at least we know we wiffed on the pick.
The running game would help Weeden out too. The running game helps everything out. Moving chains, passing game, defense, field position... The more you think about that pick, the more it could change a lot of things.
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Not a fan of running in a pass happy league. Not a fan of drafting offensive linemen.
I might make an exception this once.
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Not a fan of running in a pass happy league. Not a fan of drafting offensive linemen.
I might make an exception this once.
The way I see it, he's a damn good player, and we need damn good players on our team.
And our guy JJ won't be around sadly.
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j/c... As bad as it may have been in the past, it hasn't been this bad in my lifetime. Since 1967, there have been four punters drafted in the second round in the history of the NFL draft. Two of them have been by the Browns. In back to back years (1977/1978) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/history/position/P?&_1:col_1=2Code:
YEAR ROUND PICK OVERALL TEAM NAME POS COLLEGE
1973 1 23 23 Raiders Ray Guy P Southern Miss
1982 2 7 34 Colts Rohn Stark P Florida State
1978 2 11 39 Browns Johnny Evans P North Carolina State
1977 2 18 46 Browns Tom Skladany P Ohio State
1995 2 24 56 Bears Todd Sauerbrun P West Virginia
1993 3 11 67 Falcons Har. Alexander P Appalachian State
1997 3 35 95 Giants Brad Maynard P Ball State
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Warmack is definitely a monster but w a trade down, Jonathan Cooper out of UNC might be had. He could have just as much success in the pros. Also, Joeckel officially declared
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Barrett Jones is another guy from the same team I'd be more than happy to grab if we were to drop to mid first round somehow. Played G as a Sophomore, LT as a Junior and won the Outland Trophy and was a finalist for the Lombardi, and played C as a senior and only won the Rimington and was finalist for Outland and Lombardi awards. Uber talented dude that could play just about any position on the line.
In addition, he won the Campbell Trophy - essentially the academic heisman - he ain't no dummy, which cannot hurt.
I spent a lot of time last night trying to watch Te'o, Warmack, and Jones - not only did Warmack keep beating Te'o, but Jones did as well.
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I'm with you but am thinking Barett Jones is returning to Bama. At least so far...
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I'm with you but am thinking Barett Jones is returning to Bama. At least so far...
Jones is a Senior.
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On second thought, he's in the mocks....
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Not sure, but I think I heard him on tv this morning saying that he injured his foot vs Georgia and postponed surgery until after the championship game. It was a lis Franc injury. No link as I heard it on tv.
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Found a link Tide C expected to miss combine … Alabama C Barrett Jones played in last night’s national championship win over Notre Dame with torn ligaments in his foot. Jones reportedly has a lisfranc injury and will undergo surgery as early as today. That could sideline Jones, one of the most versatile prospects in the county who played a different position in each of Alabama’s national title seasons over he past four years and a first-round prospect for the upcoming draft, for three to four months. That would mean he would miss the scouting combine in late February and could conceivably not be able to work out for pro teams at all prior to the draft. http://www.gbnreport.com/
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Jones shouldn't have to go to the combine. 3 rings and he played the center, guard, and tackle position on the best line in America. What more does a dude need to do?
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Just show he is healthy. They call it the dreaded lis franc injury for a reason.
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Run around some cones, duh!
The funny thing is that It's true. I hate how much combine numbers are so heavily weighed. They could be dominant for 3-4 years run a slow 40 and drop a few rounds. It's like they forget, that they know how to play and win.
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Just show he is healthy. They call it the dreaded lis franc injury for a reason.
It can easily cost a player a season+. I don't know how it would affect a Center, who primarily uses his feet mainly for a stable base as opposed to running down the field.
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I don't know either but he did play quite well in the NC game with the injury. Caveat is, sometime the recovery from the surgery is more difficult to play with than the injury itself.
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Jones shouldn't have to go to the combine. 3 rings and he played the center, guard, and tackle position on the best line in America. What more does a dude need to do?
He needs to go, trip over the cones, jog a 6.4 40 and take his wunderlic in crayon so the rest of the NFL buys into the numbers, then he falls to us in the 3rd round... 
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The more I read and hear the more I hope we can trade down and pick up a second. THere seems to be alot of guys that will have alot of value in the bottom half of the first and second round but are not a great value at the number 6. Most of those players will be gone when we pick in the 3rd. I am not really impressed with the top half of this draft.
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I am not really impressed with the top half of this draft.
Which could very likely make it hard to trade down, if that's the direction the Browns want to take.
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I suspect that we're done with trading down for a while. That was part of the reason why Heckert isn't here any more. He did a nice job of finding competent NFL players, but has few real stars among his picks. The Browns brain trust wants the draft to bring stars to the team. I don't think we'll see the "play it safe and trade for value" with our first round picks as much as we'll be swinging for the fences. I do not believe that Banner/Haslam, for example, would have passed on Jones. We got great value in exchange for the pick, but I suspect that we'll be picking in those situations in the future .... unless someone wants to go RG3 crazy for our pick. (and I believe that we would have made that trade if the Haslam/Banner team had been in place) Just my general feeling from the 18,000 articles I have read since Heckert was fired. 
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And I don't have a big problem with that. I don't see too many stars in this draft to be had at #6.. but we have a roster with some decent talent on it... what it seems to be missing is big time difference makers.. I think some of the younger guys will grow into that but if we swing for the fences and strike out, we will still get better with experience and better coaching.. if we connect, we could be really good pretty quick.
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the one thing going for us in a trade down is the number of good OTs and the number of teams drafting high needing them... especially since AZ drafts right behind us.
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the one thing going for us in a trade down is the number of good OTs and the number of teams drafting high needing them... especially since AZ drafts right behind us.
i would love for us to gain a bevy of extra picks for trading down 1 slot and the team picking a player we didn't want anyway. that could happen with us getting those picks once, right?
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I think moving back to 11 (SD), 16 or 22 (STL), 18 (DAL), or 20 (CHI) are much more likely to yield anything valuable.
Of course, PHI could decide they want Geno Smith and a stud tackle and offer us this year's 2nd and next year's 1st and 3rd for #6.
My preference for this draft as of now:
1) Any trade back which nets us a likely top ten 1st round next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year
2) Any trade back that gets us a 1st or 2nd next year and a 1st this year
3) Damontre Moore
4) Dee Milliner
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I'm not much of a draftnik and I know it is REALLY early, but, who are some players (who we wouldn't want ourselves) that teams might be willing to pony up a 2nd-rounder to move up to #6 for?
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Usually teams will only give up the motherload if they think they are getting a franchise QB in return. There is no surefire franchise QB in this draft. . .yet (the media hasn't manufactured that guy yet). And we are picking 6th so teams can easily just go in front of us if we are demanding too much.
I think the best case scenario would be a trade like the Buccaneers got from the Cowboys last year. The Cowboys gave up their 1st and 2nd round picks to move up to the 6th spot. If we could do that it would be great.
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