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Babin has 23.5 sacks in the last 2 seasons (and counting)
when was the last time the Browns had a guy with 23.5sacks in 2 seasons?







answer: never happened. Reggie Camp with 22.5 comes closest.

Can Babin play in our more traditional 4-3 alignment, or does he need the wide 9 alignment in order t be effective? It seems like Parker has been better in our more traditional alignment. How would Babin fit?

Well ... let's see ....

Babin has only played 3 16 game seasons in his career. One was his rookie year, way back in 2004. He was able to play 16 games in both 2010 and 2011, and he delivered sacks galore. Of his 53 career sacks, 30 of them came in those 2 years.

Last year Babin had an incredible 18 sacks. This year he is on pace for 8 sacks. This is a confusing move though, because he has been, by far, their best pass rusher. If I read their roster right, no one else has more than 3 sacks. He was also their 2nd leading tackler on the DL.

If we were a playoff contender, I would say "go ahead and sign him up". However, the simple fact is that we are 3-8. Plus, our DL is young and talented. It really doesn't make much sense to take reps away from our young up and coming DL talent to give reps to a guy who would be 33 next year.

I do believe that he will wind up somewhere like New England.


Now if this was a quality older CB, who had something like 5 or 6 INT this year ..... then I would be all for bringing him aboard.

Babin has also commented that he would love to go to a contender... I wonder if we would get 100% of his effort for at least the remainder of this season.. I also wonder if that isn't part of the reason behind his decreased sack numbers from this year.. I wonder if he has just lost interest because they are losing and out of it... As I typed that I checked, 3 of his sacks have come in the last 3 games so I suppose he hasn't quit...

It is a curious move. I know the Eagles are facing an almost total rebuild from the front office on down and all of these high priced and veteran players are going to be evaluated.. but to single him out and cut him in the middle of the season when the whole team is underachieving seems really bizarre.

It doesn't seem at all bizarre to me.

He's a 32-year old, aging veteran with a big contract who is sitting in front of a couple of high draft picks who needs reps. The team could choose to bury him on the bench while they give auditions to their kids, or they could just cut him and let him go somewhere else where he could play while possibly saving the organization some money.

At this point and on this team, he's really not that much of an upgrade and will most likely come with a hefty price tag..(or maybe not) But our D is playing pretty darn well overall. I don't think I'd introduce anyone into the mix unless it was another corner. That's probably all I'd add this year.

What to Make of Babin’s Abrupt Departure


Nov 28, 2012 11:00am
By Andrew Kulp (email)
The700Level.com

Just when you think the Eagles’ rapidly-decomposing season couldn’t take any more unexpected turns, the team announces on Tuesday they’ve parted ways with a high-profile veteran with five games remaining. That Jason Babin will not be in Philadelphia in 2013 was not the surprise here though. Actually, that much was probably inevitable.
Babin was signed last summer for two reasons and two reasons only.

First, Brandon Graham tore his ACL toward the end of his rookie season, which it turned out required microfracture surgery to repair. He was predictably limited in ‘11, able to appear in only three games. Babin was the insurance policy. Even if Graham never fully recovered, never met the expectations placed on a defensive end taken with the 13th overall pick in the draft, the Eagles could squeeze some production out of Babin for awhile.

Along the way, Babin happened to have an 18-sack season. Sure, he was a liability against the run, but coaches will look the other way on a lot with totals like those.

One year later, the gaudy numbers haven’t been replicated, and we still don’t really know if Graham can play. However, that’s not necessarily why Babin wouldn’t have returned for a third season with the Birds in all likelihood. The reason he wasn’t coming back is the same as the second reason that brought him here in the first place.

When Andy Reid goes, Jim Washburn goes with him. And when Wash goes, the wide-9 goes with him.

And when the wide-9 goes, Babin’s usefulness goes with it.

In nine years in the NFL, Babin has only ever achieved success in the wide-9. He played in a 3-4 alignment, he played in a standard 4-3. He played for Houston, for Seattle, for Kansas City, he even played here for a year. Through the first six seasons of Babin’s career before his breakout campaign in Tennessee, he accumulated a combined 16.5 sacks – one-and-a-half fewer than he managed over 16 games one year ago.

It’s highly improbable the next head coach of the Eagles is going to employ a wide-9, as few teams do. And there is almost zero chance whoever it is would retain Washburn, the defensive line coach for whom Babin has a great affinity for, a man whose reputation is stained in Philly. For that matter, I seem to recall Washburn promising to quit if his unit didn’t top their 46 sacks from last season, so it’s a non-issue.

Once the front office, whoever they're comprised of, started pouring over the roster this offseason, they were going to see a 33-year-old defensive end coming off of a down season, earning $5 million per year, no longer a scheme fit. As you can see, it was elementary.

Of course, that still does not entirely explain Babin’s mid-season termination. It’s highly unusual for any team to release a two-time Pro Bowler, a player who is at least minimally productive, with any number of games left on the slate.

There is undoubtedly some element of truth to the statement Andy Reid gave along with Babin’s release, that it would give their young players more opportunities to get on the field. Graham is certainly one of them, as is second-round pick Vinny Curry, who was finally activated for the first time on Monday night.

That being said, obviously there was a sense Babin would serve as a disruption if he was moved to the bench or deactivated altogether. And assuming that is in fact the case, it speaks to a broader problem there. We can’t speak to what exactly, but rest assured this story is not over yet. More will come out. Tidbits have already begun to leak.

Not that many Eagles fans are really shedding tears over Babin’s departure. His one-trick-pony style of play never endeared him to this town, he’s had a colossal bust of a season – which by the way, he’s spent the better part of the year defending – plus his eccentric personality never took, either. And it’s not like this team is going anywhere anyway.

In case you were concerned though, you don’t have to worry that Babin was the one that got away. He already had one foot out the door.

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All over now, Babin to the Jags.

Jason Babin claimed off waivers by Jacksonville Jaguars

Former Philadelphia Eagles defensive end Jason Babin has been claimed off waivers by the Jacksonville Jaguars, a source close to the player told NFL.com's Ian Rapoport.

Eight teams placed a claim on Babin, according to Rapoport.

Babin was released by the Eagles in a surprising move on Tuesday.

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I was hoping to see if we put in a claim...

Just wondering...

The Browns did not put in a claim for Babin.

Given how well I'd imagine that we'd know him, I'd say that this then tells you something about Babin.

given the Raiders struggles to get pressure on opposing QBs, it's best for us that the Jags claimed him.

lol

I'm waiting for the breaking news headline "Babin to retire..."