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To being a playoff contender. I agree with him. I question whether or not this is the head coach to take the team there ...... but I really like a lot of the talent on this team. Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam feels team is 'very close' to becoming a playoff contender | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/11/cleveland_browns_owner_jimmy_h_5.html#incart_2boxBEREA, Ohio - Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, in an interview with The Plain Dealer Thursday, said he's encouraged by the progress of his new team and feels it could just as easily be 6-5 right now and in the playoff chase. He also plans to stick with his vow not to make major staff decisions until after the season, and he's more certain than ever that he hired the right man to run the team in CEO Joe Banner, now that they've worked together for awhile. Haslam is also excited about the debut of the series "NFL Road Tested: The Cleveland Browns," which premieres Tuesday at 10 p.m. on the Travel Channel, in partnership with Dee Haslam's RIVR Media and NFL Films. Here are some excerpts from a phone interview with Haslam from Washington, D.C.: Q: What are your first impressions of your new team since you took over in mid-October? A: I think we have better players and we're better coached (than last year). We're 3-8, but if you went back through the season, I could make a case where we could easily be 6-5. Dallas, Philly, Indy are all games I think we should've won. If we win those three games, we're 6-5 and in the hunt for the playoffs, right? We're very close. We weren't competitive against the Giants after jumping off to an early lead, but every other game we've been in in the fourth quarter. As you know, some of them have gone down to the last minute or two. Q: So you're inheriting a pretty good on-field product. A: I think we're directionally correct. Q: Will you stick by your plan not to make any major staff decisions until after the year? A: Absolutely. I think we've said that after every year, not just the first year, we'll sit down and evaluate everybody in the organization. Q: Has coach Pat Shurmur strengthened his case with all of those close games and Sunday's 20-14 victory over Pittsburgh? A: I don't think it's fair to comment one way or the other. I think Pat's working hard and the guys are playing hard. We've been in every game, we're playing hard, I think we're playing better, so I think we're making progress. Q: How important is your evaluation of quarterback Brandon Weeden over the final five games? A: Exceptionally important. All 53 players will be evaluated. But we all know quarterback is the most important position, so it draws more scrutiny. Brandon knows and understands that. He's got five games to go in this season and hopefully he'll continue to make progress and then we'll sit down and assess where we are at the end of the year. Q: How's he looked to you so far? A: I think Brandon's been up and down like most rookie quarterbacks. He's played some really good games and he's had some games that I'm sure he'd like to play over. We're catching the ball better than we were earlier in the year. I don't think earlier in the year we helped him a lot. But he's making progress. Q: How much will his age (29) factor into the decision? A: I don't think that factors in. We've got to determine, "Can Brandon play or not?" We wish he was 23 or 24, but we all know how old Brandon is. But he's still a rookie quarterback, it's still his first year in the league. The fact that he's going to be 30 next October will not factor into our decision. We'll look and see, "Can he take us to a championship level in the next three or four years?" Q: Will you solicit opinions outside the organization on Weeden? A: I think our organization is already asking opinions on a lot of our players and will continue to do so. A lot of the people here have had relationships for a considerable amount of time and I think we'll continue to play on those relationships as best we can. Q: Would you like to see Colt McCoy play so you can make a decision on him too? A: I think that's a call that Pat and Brad (Childress) will make, but there's not a finer person in the building that I've ever met than Colt McCoy. He's just a great young man and I think they'll make that determination here over the next four or five games. I met his dad (Brad McCoy) down in Dallas and I said, "Listen, you've raised one of the best young men I've ever met." I think anybody inside or outside the organization who knows Colt would say the same thing. He's a quality individual. Q: Wouldn't it be tough to shake up the personnel staff with free agency and the draft coming in March and April? A: We all understand how the NFL works in terms of the timing of everything and we'll make the decisions appropriately around those timetables. Q: If you decide to hire new coach, would you help find candidate or would Banner drive that bus? A: It would be presumptuous to even go down that road in terms of coaches. Q: How do you feel about your in-game reactions being captured by the TV cameras, particularly at the end of the loss in Indy? A: Listen, there was one great misunderstanding in the Indianapolis game. My disappointment was not at the fourth-down call, and I spoke to Pat immediately. My disappointment was that we didn't catch the pass that would've won the game. I was disappointed in that and told Pat that was terribly misunderstood. I'm a big fan like most people are in Cleveland and I want to see us win. When we don't win, and we make crucial mistakes that cost us the game, it's disappointing. I'm going to be disappointed and I'm probably going to show that emotion because we very much want to win. I think that's what the people of Cleveland want and expect, candidly. The only thing I felt bad about was that people interpreted it as though I was disappointed in Pat's call. You'll never see me second-guess one of Pat's calls. Q: What about the TV report out of Memphis, Tenn., that you're trying to hire Jon Gruden to coach Tennessee and have offered him a piece of the Browns? A: That was completely erroneous. I'm not involved with the University of Tennessee coaching search and our family is very happy with the ownership structure of the Browns. Q: Are you more sure than ever that Banner is your man? A: We are. Joe is smart. He's seasoned. He's extremely competitive. He's got great experience and I think he and I will work extremely well together and I'm very excited about the opportunity to bring a championship team to Cleveland. Q: Have you initiated re-negotiation talks with iron-legged kicker Phil Dawson? A: Those will all be discussed at the end of the year with the appropriate people at the appropriate stages of their contracts. Q: Have you offered formal roles to Bernie Kosar or Jim Brown? A: No, Bernie's a great Browns legend and icon in our area and he and I talk frequently. There's been no conversations about any formal role. I haven't talked to Jim in two or three weeks. He did call and congratulate us after the big Steeler win and I'm sure we'll be talking some in the future. Q: Any progress on Stadium improvements? A: We haven't had those meetings yet. We've been so busy with everything going on. We probably won't do that until the first of the year. Q: What can fans expect from the Browns new travel series debuting on the Travel Channel Tuesday at 10 p.m. A: I think particularly for Browns fans, which is generally one of the main reasons we agreed to do this, they'll find it very interesting, because it really is a behind-the-scenes look at an NFL team, everything from practice to meetings to conversations with coaches to time spent casually outside the building with players to travel. I haven't seen the final cut, but I think all football fans, particularly Browns fans, should find it very interesting. Q: Is it at all like HBO's Hard Knocks? A: I've described it as a softer version of Hard Knocks. With that, Haslam boarded a plane and was off.
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"Q: Would you like to see Colt McCoy play so you can make a decision on him too?"
Stupidest question ever.
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I would be very nervous if I was Weeden. Havn't heard one ringing endorsement on him from the new ownership group. Still Questioning if he could play? Wow, we're almost at the end of the year, if you liked the guy, you would think they would say Brandon is our quarterback, end of story. I do think age is everything here. If we had Tannehill, who has posted worse numbers, but is younger, I doubt you would be hearing stuff about whether the guy could play or not.
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This is a joke... you say this team is close to a play-off contender...got better players and better coached than last year..get rid of MH and bring in Banner...Still got Shurmur and a crappy 3 win season so far....  
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Q: Any progress on Stadium improvements?
A: We haven't had those meetings yet. We've been so busy with everything going on. We probably won't do that until the first of the year.
Just a personal gripe that maybe someone of some importance in the decision making reads - update the friggin "Fantasy Scoreboard" along the front of the upper deck on the southwest side of the stadium. Only about half of it is readable and it's technology that might have made scoreboard guys happy in the late 80's. Make it like the LED banner boards on the lower level. LED baby, LED.
And please, fix the speakers - if nowhere else, at least at the top of section 535. You can't hear squat. My dad likes to say "At least Modell had speakers that worked"... that can't be a good thing when Modell and his giant field speakers did a better job two+ decades ago.
And bring back the hill up to the Dawg Pound. And make the Pound wooden bleachers.
And NEVER.... NEVER allow a single yellow rag to be brought in. If it's waved, it's confiscated and you're ejected. And mocked.
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I would be very nervous if I was Weeden. Havn't heard one ringing endorsement on him from the new ownership group. Still Questioning if he could play? Wow, we're almost at the end of the year, if you liked the guy, you would think they would say Brandon is our quarterback, end of story. I do think age is everything here. If we had Tannehill, who has posted worse numbers, but is younger, I doubt you would be hearing stuff about whether the guy could play or not.
Wait,, who among the coaching staff, adminstration or players HAVE you heard ringing endorsements on other than Banner from either Banner or Haslam?
As for the question on McCoy,, Haslam answered very well, he left the reporter no where to go with a follow up LOL helluva job Jimmy...LOL
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I would be very nervous if I was Weeden. Havn't heard one ringing endorsement on him from the new ownership group. Still Questioning if he could play? Wow, we're almost at the end of the year, if you liked the guy, you would think they would say Brandon is our quarterback, end of story. I do think age is everything here. If we had Tannehill, who has posted worse numbers, but is younger, I doubt you would be hearing stuff about whether the guy could play or not.
Good point...........his age is huge here. I do think he gets another year, because the fact that this a horrible QB draft class, but he has to show a lot more next year or his replacement will be drafted in 14. The problem Brandon has is he only has so much upside becuase of his age, and someone like Tannyhill (although worse right now) has a ton of time to get better.
I thought this on draft night, and I think that way still........Brandon was a short term fix to a long term problem. Colt was aweful and the FO wanted a servicable guy to give them 2-4 years of average football that wouldn't hurt the progression of the rest of the young O. I understand the thought process, but just felt we could have found that average guy without investing a 1st round pick.
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I believe Weeden's age has zero to do with whether or not Jimmy/Joey think he can be the QB here.
His skill has everything to do with it.
Let's be honest here. It's looking like QBs ... this day and age ... with the new rule changes and all ... are going to be playing at a high level close to that 40 year age mark ... it wouldn't surprise me if someone like Brady was still playing at 41/42. Super Bowl windows are generally 4-5 years anyway. Weeden has plenty of time to be the franchise QB here. We need to get off the age thing, IMO.
Weeden's undoing is his lack of development and toughness that is apparent on game day and the latter being the most damaging in my mind. Grow a set dude! I think he sticks here next year maybe by default ... because the other options are so limited ... which could be a blessing in disguise for both Weeden and the Browns as I think there is still a chance he could be that guy.
But make no mistake about it ... Haslam / Banner aren't fans. That much is obvious.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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But make no mistake about it ... Haslam / Banner aren't fans. That much is obvious.
Obvious?
I'm not seeing that at all...nor that they ARE "fans".
I think they are playing it exactly as they are saying it...refreshing actually.
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I believe Weeden's age has zero to do with whether or not Jimmy/Joey think he can be the QB here.
I couldn't disagree more.
When anyone is evaluating a QB prospect, part of that equation is their upside. With a 29-year old guy, that upside becomes limited.
There is a common belief that Weeden can play the position until he's 40 specifically because he didn't get back into football until he was in college. I say that's a myth. The human body deteriorates regardless of the amount of physical exertion spent. Weeden's arm will become less-strong, his legs less-quick, and his bodies recovery-time will slow down.
His age absolutely does play a role and that can be exemplified by asking one simple question:
If you're looking at two identical QB's in terms of tangibles and intangibles, but one is 21 while the other is 29, would you give the 29-year old the exact same considerations as the 21 year old? The answer must be "no."
I'd also say it's a myth that QB's in general are solid starters until they are 40. How many have in recent memory? I bet we can name a few out of a hundred but to bank on that is problematic. Even then, those few players were GREAT. We've seen that while it's possible Weeden can be good, he's shown nothing which would indicate he's going to be great. There are no elite traits to his game besides arm-strength. He doesn't show great feet or awareness, he doesn't show great accuracy, he doesn't show great intangibles, and by his statements last week he clearly doesn't show great leadership.
Now people can pick that apart as they wish, but nobody in any front office is going to look at someone like Weeden and say "Hey, I bet he can play until he's 40."
I don't think he should be shown the door after this season, but he was a big gamble. The biggest part of that gamble was because of his age which absolutely factors into the decision. Because of his age, his ceiling is only so high.
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The guy will be 30 next year.......his age has alot to do with it. Again, I see no reason why Weeden shouldn't or won't get next year at this point. However, if he is still average to below average after next year there is no way the FO isn't going to look to upgrade a 31 year old QB going into '14 with a new one of their liking.
On the other hand, if he was 24 years old and projected to be average to below average next year as well no one would be contemplating a QB change after the year. Weeden has to make some decent strides next year, because no one is going to keep developing a guy on the wrong side of 30 for very long.
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Weeden has to make some decent strides this year, because no one is going to keep developing a guy on the wrong side of 30 for very long.
Fixed it for ya, Willie 
If Weeden wants to make a case just to get to next year, he's going to have to do better than what he's done in recent weeks.
His clock was ticking the moment he was drafted. He doesn't have 3 years to develop. It has to happen quickly for Weeden, and that means these last handful of games are a much greater audition for him than for someone like Tannehill.
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I would agree with you Toad, but I just don't see anyone out there in the draft that could possibly be construed as having a chance to be "the guy". I guess they could go with a Alex Smith type in FA, but I doubt it really.
He gets next year as a default imo, but there are no guarantees after that...........and he has to be at least an average starter by that time or he is done imo.
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If Weeden wants to make a case just to get to next year, he's going to have to do better than what he's done in recent weeks.
Frankly as much as anyone might believe this the reality is that Weeden has a pretty good hand to play for no other reason than who are they gonna get? Barkley, Gino Smith? I think few player have a better shot at keeping their job than Weeden. Call it dumb luck but this is the best year I can remember for a guy in weeden's position. Short of the wheels just falling off he gets the gig in 2013.
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Exactly, Weeden is the beneficiary of a couple things.. 1 that this is a pretty weak QB draft class.. in fact this one is as weak as the last one was strong.. second, there are no "must get" free agents this year... there are no aging veterans being replaced that we could get... Finally, we are winning some games and I think we could finish 2-2 through the final 4 at least... I could see 3-1 but I just don't have enough faith in the Browns to pull that off, though I think it's possible.
Considering what Weeden has shown and considering the extremely limited options to upgrade the position, I find it very hard to believe that he won't be the Browns QB at the start of next season...
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there are no aging veterans being replaced that we could get...
Until we Hire Andy Reid and trade for Michael Vick 
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Until we Hire Chip Kelly and trade for Michael Vick
Fixed it for you (always wanted to douchily do that).
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I will take a guess and say that unless Weeden improves a bunch over the last 4 games, we will see both a new coach and a new QB next year. I highly doubt a new coach is going to want to come in and get a below average 30 year old project to work with at QB. So, I could certainly see us take a flyer on a Gino Smith/Barkely, etc if they fell.
Also, if we get Chip Kelly as a coach I am going to guess we draft Colin Klein to run that offense.
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I will take a guess and say that unless Weeden improves a bunch over the last 4 games, we will see both a new coach and a new QB next year. I highly doubt a new coach is going to want to come in and get a below average 30 year old project to work with at QB. So, I could certainly see us take a flyer on a Gino Smith/Barkely, etc if they fell.
Also, if we get Chip Kelly as a coach I am going to guess we draft Colin Klein to run that offense.
I think alot would depend on the style offense the new coach would want to run. Weeden has been showing to my eyes at least good pocket awareness and should only get better.
There was a play where an Oakland defender broke a block and was headed right at Weeden and I thought OH OH then Weeden threw a strike just a half second before getting hit.
He gets such good protection sometimes I worry about his internal clock but for the most part I think a new head coach will see his progress and his ability to stretch a defense along with his age.
Starting over with a new rookie QB wont be the end of the world but it would set us back 1 year needlessly imho. A FA QB also could be an option but not alot of them do well it seems. I would guess less then 50% go on to greatness with their new teams.
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Also, if we get Chip Kelly as a coach I am going to guess we draft Colin Klein to run that offense.
I'm going to guess that if this happens, I will no longer be watching Cleveland Browns football.
Why do people not see how close this team is? If you want to bring in a new coach, fine. I'm still on the fence about Shurmur. But the personnel here needs to be left intact.
If we make any major changes in player personnel, I'm going to be VERY upset with this new ownership.
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I will take a guess and say that unless Weeden improves a bunch over the last 4 games, we will see both a new coach and a new QB next year. I highly doubt a new coach is going to want to come in and get a below average 30 year old project to work with at QB. So, I could certainly see us take a flyer on a Gino Smith/Barkely, etc if they fell.
Also, if we get Chip Kelly as a coach I am going to guess we draft Colin Klein to run that offense.
I would hope to God, that if this comes to pass, that somebody has the cajones to burn down the Berea facility. It would be justified.
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I'm with you. That is just unconscionable.
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I'm going to guess that if this happens, I will no longer be watching Cleveland Browns football.
Why do people not see how close this team is? If you want to bring in a new coach, fine. I'm still on the fence about Shurmur. But the personnel here needs to be left intact.
If we make any major changes in player personnel, I'm going to be VERY upset with this new ownership.
I feel another Savage/Collins situation brewing.
I think there is going to be a revolt if Heckert is let go.
Haslam thinks he knows this fanbase. He has no idea.
I still don't understand why Haslam hired Banner. I'm just not getting it at all.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'm going to guess that if this happens, I will no longer be watching Cleveland Browns football.
Why do people not see how close this team is? If you want to bring in a new coach, fine. I'm still on the fence about Shurmur. But the personnel here needs to be left intact.
If we make any major changes in player personnel, I'm going to be VERY upset with this new ownership.
I feel another Savage/Collins situation brewing.
I think there is going to be a revolt if Heckert is let go.
Haslam thinks he knows this fanbase. He has no idea.
I still don't understand why Haslam hired Banner. I'm just not getting it at all.
I'm not confused why he hired banner as CEO, but I am concerned when Banner says the things he says about the roster yet he's never had to deal with the roster except in the capacity of dealing with contracts.
Banner may well be a great front office President type.. He has the skills adminstratively to do that.
But from a football side, he reminds me of some guys on this board that assess talent and coaching by what they do on Madden...... And that's just not real.
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I endured the firing of Marty, Dumping of Bernie, the move, the joke of expansion, Romeo, Mangini. Now we are in my opinion on the path to something special, something you will want to tell your grandkids about. It is all being threatened by a bookworm lawyer wanting to build it his way.
They blow it up, I will walk away and not look back. I know the Browns could care less about one fans opinion but I will not waste anymore time waiting for the next guy to come along and fix the disaster that was unnecessarily created.
Heckert and his scouts have done it the right way. This coaching staff is special. Shurmur we will see if he is the guy but he is completely surrounded by great coaches.
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I endured the firing of Marty, Dumping of Bernie, the move, the joke of expansion, Romeo, Mangini. Now we are in my opinion on the path to something special, something you will want to tell your grandkids about. It is all being threatened by a bookworm lawyer wanting to build it his way.
They blow it up, I will walk away and not look back. I know the Browns could care less about one fans opinion but I will not waste anymore time waiting for the next guy to come along and fix the disaster that was unnecessarily created.
Heckert and his scouts have done it the right way. This coaching staff is special. Shurmur we will see if he is the guy but he is completely surrounded by great coaches.
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The Banner paranoia is hilarious around here.
How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
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I endured the firing of Marty, Dumping of Bernie, the move, the joke of expansion, Romeo, Mangini. Now we are in my opinion on the path to something special, something you will want to tell your grandkids about. It is all being threatened by a bookworm lawyer wanting to build it his way.
They blow it up, I will walk away and not look back. I know the Browns could care less about one fans opinion but I will not waste anymore time waiting for the next guy to come along and fix the disaster that was unnecessarily created.
Heckert and his scouts have done it the right way. This coaching staff is special. Shurmur we will see if he is the guy but he is completely surrounded by great coaches.
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Seriously though, J&J need to know how the majority of Brownsfans feels about Heckert and the team he has drafted...Shurmur will be tougher but the staff overall has done a great job developing players
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The Banner paranoia is hilarious around here.
How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
Can't wait, I'm impatient.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I endured the firing of Marty, Dumping of Bernie, the move, the joke of expansion, Romeo, Mangini. Now we are in my opinion on the path to something special, something you will want to tell your grandkids about. It is all being threatened by a bookworm lawyer wanting to build it his way.
They blow it up, I will walk away and not look back. I know the Browns could care less about one fans opinion but I will not waste anymore time waiting for the next guy to come along and fix the disaster that was unnecessarily created.
Heckert and his scouts have done it the right way. This coaching staff is special. Shurmur we will see if he is the guy but he is completely surrounded by great coaches.
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Let's start a movement
Seriously though, J&J need to know how the majority of Brownsfans feels about Heckert and the team he has drafted...Shurmur will be tougher but the staff overall has done a great job developing players
They don't need to know how the fans feel, at all, ever - they just need to have their eyes open and see it objectively for themselves.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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The Banner paranoia is hilarious around here. How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
He is a lawyer. What more proof do you need?
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How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
His time in Philly says it all for me, He isnt going to change his stripes now that he has even more power and control.
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I endured the firing of Marty, Dumping of Bernie, the move, the joke of expansion, Romeo, Mangini. Now we are in my opinion on the path to something special, something you will want to tell your grandkids about. It is all being threatened by a bookworm lawyer wanting to build it his way.
They blow it up, I will walk away and not look back. I know the Browns could care less about one fans opinion but I will not waste anymore time waiting for the next guy to come along and fix the disaster that was unnecessarily created.
Heckert and his scouts have done it the right way. This coaching staff is special. Shurmur we will see if he is the guy but he is completely surrounded by great coaches.
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Anybody that can take half a roster full of 1st and 2nd year players and make them play as hard as these guys do, pretty much earns more time in my book.. And no, I'm not a shurmur fanboy.. Just a guy who thinks he's better than the record his team has.
Reading the article, sounds as if Haslams feels the same way.
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How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
His time in Philly says it all for me, He isnt going to change his stripes now that he has even more power and control.
He was in Philly for 17 years.. from 1995 to 2012... in which they went to the playoffs 11 times, had 10 double digit win seasons, went to multiple conference championship games and 1 super bowl... during that time period he was promoted several times... What is it that you don't like? Or is it just the rumors about what an evil miser he is?
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The title of this article annoys me everytime I read it.
Especially if we assume Heckert and the Staff are gone.
If Haslam is saying we are "very close" then why change anything?
It's in my opinion that Banner and Co may want to wipe the FO clean just so that when were in the playoffs they don't have to share the credit with anyone..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If Haslam is saying we are "very close" then why change anything?
Other than Holmgren, he has never come out and said he will.
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It's in my opinion that Banner and Co may want to wipe the FO clean just so that when were in the playoffs they don't have to share the credit with anyone..
I sincerely hope they are not that egotistical.
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How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
His time in Philly says it all for me, He isnt going to change his stripes now that he has even more power and control.
He was in Philly for 17 years.. from 1995 to 2012... in which they went to the playoffs 11 times, had 10 double digit win seasons, went to multiple conference championship games and 1 super bowl... during that time period he was promoted several times... What is it that you don't like? Or is it just the rumors about what an evil miser he is?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no reason to think that he's a scumbag.
I don't think he has ever shown an ability to do anything on the football side other then deal with the CAP and Contracts. Beyond that, he's a numbers/managment guy.
Or at least, if you look over his resume, that's pretty much all he's been involved in.
So, from my perspective, he can hire the GM or Keep Heckert. Beyond that, I think he's gotta trust his GM (or don t hire him) and let him pick the rest of the "Football" people.
I say this knowing full well that it's also gotta be a bit of a collabaration with Haslam, Banner and the GM all involved with the HC decision, then the rest of the coaching staff has to be those three guys and the HC involved.
What bothers me is not so much what he said but what I'm getting out of his comments. I may be just reading incorrectly.
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The Banner paranoia is hilarious around here. How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
He is a lawyer. What more proof do you need?
So were more than two-dozen of our Presidents.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Umm you are defending lawyers by pointing out that many become politicians?
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In that light it is humorous. 
But I'm also pointing out that there are no dumb lawyers.
People don't like Banner because the fear-mongerers want people to believe he's a guy who knows absolutely nothing about football while simultaneously doing an amazing job of running off every good player the Eagles have ever had while being the most hated man in Philly, and thus been a cancer to the entire organization. They don't like his height, his background, his looks, or his personality...all the things that have absolutely nothing to do with football.
On the other hand lies much more of the truth, which revolves around his ability to find Andy Reid and help run an organization that has been a model franchise of the league for years.
I think I'll wait to see what he does before I put on my Chicken Little outfit and profess the sky to be falling...
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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