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Seriously? So you're saying before week 8, he didn't look as good against NFL teams than he did college teams!!? Who'da thunk it!!??  I wonder if it had anything to do with the talent level of his oponents?  He was much harder to take down and carried people along with him with his power. And while the injury you speak of is extremly painful, it's not something that will create some career ending injury if he isn't sat out. The inference was that the coaching staff was risking further injury by playing him which is most certainly not the case as I pretty much knew all along.
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I was implying Richardsons is far worse compared to college. Regardless of the defenses he is playing against he is slow now. He isn't the same runner at all.
I wasn't implying that he was risking further injury by playing. I was implying that his running is ineffective and hurting the offense. Hardesty on the other hand is a 2nd round pick, who isn't injured, and is out playing Richardson by any reasonable measurement.
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Slower?
TRich never has been fast. Coming out of Bama he ran between a 4.45 and a 4.49.
Hardesty is a change of pace back and we have already seen what happens when you try to make him the feature back.
We simply disgaree by a mile on this one.
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It comes down to this: If he's hurt, don't play him...if he's not hurt enough to not play him, then he can be criticized for his play
Let's just cut out all the bull, shall we?
You aren't being critical of Richardson. You're conducting a smear campaign. If you're going to go that far, someone is going to call you on your BS. 
That sig is there to remind you and everyone else of exactly where you stand on this. You like to thump your chest and tell other posters that they should stand behind their words or stand for something. Well, be a man, take your own advice, and take ownership of your own words.
Or admit what you're really doing and I'll remove it. 
There's reason to offer criticism of Richardson, but your hypocrisy goes way beyond that. That meek little response you just made is barely short of a white-flag being raised because you know you blew it.
You've acknowledged your alone in this crusade. You should just back it off lest you say more things which you'll be held accountable for.
I don't believe, in the history of all my time on this board and the other, that I've seen someone actually say that one rookie RB who is on pace to contribute more than most rookie RB's in the history of the game, all the while doing it while carrying various injuries, missing training camp, and going behind a poor run-blocking line, is to blame for the downfall of an entire regime.
But you did. 
Nice try, but I already admitted that I have "some resentment towards TRich"....which part of that didn't you get again?
I'm FULLY aware that I'm more critical about his play for different reasons I have posted many, many times already (draft slot, value, expectation level, position, TRich-Weeden hypocrisy etc), which you routinely ommitt probably because you're too busy to make up strawmen
So, you standing there with a 2 month old newspaper screaming "breaking news, hypocrisy" is pretty funny.
...and with your track record of sigs and "call out" threads/posts (triumvirate anyone? bad OL play? we can't stop hte run? no "talent"?) I'm not liking TRich's chances this remaining games
Fact is and remains....he's the rook who has underperformed his expectation level the most and it's not even close (wonder why you haven't tackled the topic at hand instead calling out the messenger for some agenda BS), that's why I think his "coming up short" to this expectations could ironically LEAD to the regime getting fired. Do you really need a lesson in "what's the difference between correlation and causation" Toad? I thought you were smarter than that, as I clearly said that it's an "ironic" correlation ("bad timing", remember?), not causation (his fault) and followed that up with saying that he'll most probably be much better next season. It's all there for everyone to read and quote....I've been pretty clear, so I wonder WHO is on a "smear campaign" here....I told ya to grab a mirror asap Toad
That all said, we're both huge Brownsfans and I don't doubt for a second that you wouldn't be happy if Weeden throws a 80yd TD bomb, just like I will be pumped if TRich breaks a 50yd TD run...we can agree on that at least, right? Yes? Then how about we cut out the childish crap....I don't need to "acknowledge" or "admit" anything, much less a "smear campaign" as it's pretty clear what I've said in the context I said it
Back to football....CleveSteve has some pretty good posts up in here about Hardesty/TRich....I'd recommend any poster to read those over our "he said, she said" BS.
It's also pretty telling that my pre-NFL scouting reports of our rooks posted in the "rookie performance" thread got little traction as it's pretty evident reading them that TRich is the rook that isn't up to his scouting hype. He plays like a 180 version of what's written in there
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That all said, we're both huge Brownsfans and I don't doubt for a second that you wouldn't be happy if Weeden throws a 80yd TD bomb, just like I will be pumped if TRich breaks a 50yd TD run...we can agree on that at least, right? Yes?
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Then how about we cut out the childish crap....
Hey, I was just playing by your rules.  I'm glad you've gotten to that mind-set. 
This should be a day when our running game gets on track. The Chiefs are averaging a pathetic 4.7 yards per attempt, and have given up 1550 yards on the ground, good for 7th worst in the league. When strong is combined with weak you get average, so I'd expect our line to open enough holes for our 'backs to have a rather solid game.
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My biggest problem with Richardson is that I've yet to see him run away from anybody.
For a guy who is on pace to have over 300+ carries not to have broken a big one, and run away from DBs....well it's disappointing to say the least.
If he had broken a few he'd be on Doug Martin's pace.
It was my biggest worry about him coming into the draft and I think it's why Jim Brown called him average.
I think he is elusive in tight spaces and powerful when he wants to be. But can he run away from people. I don't think so.
I look at a guy like Bryce Brown...and I honestly think he's more talented than Richardson.
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Raiders were allowing over 5.5ypc over the previous weeks too, I hope you're right though, as we need him to get going.... You in the Chat during the game? We can  over every play there, as I have to watch this one alone today, so I'll be there and doing my best dancing bear impression
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I find it hard to do the chat during games, man. I can't watch the game on TV, as I don't pay for the Ticket, so I watch it on my computer. I do have the other games on so I watch those plays between Browns plays, then make the occasional comment in the Gameday forum. When I do chat I get too caught up in reading all the conversations. My simple brain can only multi-task so much. 
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look at a guy like Bryce Brown...and I honestly think he's more talented than Richardson.
Bryce Brown's talent is no surprise. He just never had his head on straight.
He was the top RB recruit the year Richardson was being recruited.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Bryce-Brown-54102
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I didn't know that. You could see his burst in a couple of those games and it's plain to see that he could be a special guy.
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Hardesty as the starter/feature back would mean he would be expected to block and catch passes, two things he's shown to not be very good at doing.
Well last year he didn't show much as a running back period.. but now look at him.. He's broke a few long ones and is looking nice.
Don't know how he will perform unless he gets the opportunity.. but right now.. I think Shurmur is balancing the backs just perfect.
That's the funny thing. Hardestly in what was essentially his rookie year, didn't accomplish much, now he seems to have promise, yet TRich, who is playing way better than Hardesty did last year, in HIS rookie year, is a wasted pick because he doesn't get the long runs Hardesty does.
Do people even read what they type?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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