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Then finally you say the O Line is stinking it up because they are not doing a good job? Wouldnt it stand to reason that becasue the defense knows whats coming they can blow up a play much faster then an O-line could block it?
You have to separate when the defense guesses correctly and when the line just can't move anyone.
On the occasions when the defense has correctly guessed what we're going to do, sure, they've killed us and no amount of blocking is going to overcome that. However, when we've had numbers, our guys aren't able to get any push, aren't able to sustain blocks, do a terrible job of working combo-blocks then finding targets on the second level, and our TE's and FB's are very limited in their ability to assist. All that added together means a very poor running game.
I've thought about this and now seems like a great time to bring up a rather radical idea...I'm a football addict from way back and dabbled in it in the early 90's, so it's nothing for me to drop $40 just to see what's what. However, I don't expect all of the folks here to do that.
BUT...I was thinking...I'm sure there'd be a consensus on the board for a poster that everyone trusts to be non-biased. If each poster chipped in like 1 or 2 bucks and sent it to this trusted guy, that person could watch all the plays and give his unbiased opinion.
Sounds like a great thing to me...
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BUT...I was thinking...I'm sure there'd be a consensus on the board for a poster that everyone trusts to be non-biased. If each poster chipped in like 1 or 2 bucks and sent it to this trusted guy, that person could watch all the plays and give his unbiased opinion.
I don't think mac would accept charity, though.
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Hardesty takes 2 steps and he is gaining speed. Richardson takes 2 steps and he is just as likely to stop and start peeking around as he is to go forward and pick up yards. It is an issue whether you want to admit it or not. All 22 doesn't help him out one damn bit.
The Back is either attacking or dancing and he sure as hell hasnt been doing a lot of attacking.
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All 22 doesn't help him out one damn bit.
So you have paid for the service, Mourg? I bet you haven't, and as I've said, it's an eye-opener...
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I didnt pay for it but I have seen a few games with it this year including both Bengal games, none in the last 4 or 5 weeks. For me the most interesting aspect was the ability to really follow coverage and seeing receivers coming open.
It was on a Bengals fan's account I was viewing.
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Alot of what you are saying matches what I think I have been seeing with Richardson. Seems like when Richardson is in the game the defenses are goingI all out to stop him. I would be willing to kick in afew dollars for the All-22. The first guy that came to mind would be Steelhack. I would think he would be unbiased.
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His dancing will stop and I think we end up with the next Emmit Smith.
If anyone is willing to drop the coin and pony-up for the All-22 and Coaches Film, they'll be surprised to see how little dancing actually goes on.
It's an eye-opener to see just how badly our line is blocking in the run-game, and to see just how much thinking Weeden is doing.
However, the biggest eye-opener IMHO is how hand-cuffed Weeden and Richardson are. If the defense knows which side we're going to run the ball and stack it, we run anyway and get killed.
The WCO works, but this version of it with these guards...blecht.
I had to put my feet up on the desk while reading that because thats the most BS you have typed in a long time. The problem is not with the O-line it's with the coaching 
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If I understand this right, some are saying that from the formation we line up in, the defense can guess the play, or at least the direction we are going? This would agree with what I think I am seeing.
However - how much of the time is this true for any team? Is not the solution to sometimes run a different play from the same formation? Is the effectiveness of doing this mis-direction a result of having the "counter" play be successful, which then also makes the original, "predictable" play more successful?
Is it basic scheme, or is it execution? Is the scheme Shurmer's, or Childress's? If we had what all agreed was a great coach, and he did the same things, and we got the same results, where would the real problem lie?
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I didnt pay for it but I have seen a few games with it this year including both Bengal games, none in the last 4 or 5 weeks. For me the most interesting aspect was the ability to really follow coverage and seeing receivers coming open.
It was on a Bengals fan's account I was viewing.
Right-O. That's where it becomes telling with Weeds. I was able to see other QB's looking off defenders and manipulating them with their eyes, while Weeds is staring down the receivers. That's the big reason he's having so many passes knocked down.
For those interested in what it's really about, you can do google searches for "all-22" and all kinds of teams will pop up with the diagrams.
GM, maybe you missed where I laid blame on the coaches as well as the line's lack of run-blocking.
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I agree that the run-blocking has been a real issue. MS and SL have been down right horrid, and Mack has really regressed in this area as well. I have to believe the new FO will upgrade at least one of the OGs............maybe both.
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One of the Redskins players, Fletcher, IIRC, said that their coaches prepared them so well that they often knew the play that was coming from the formation.
That's one huge reason why, if I were a coach, I would only use 5 or 6 formations, and then option into whatever play I wanted to run from those. I would run the same play from at least 3 or 4 of them, just to mess up the defense and keep them from "guessing right".
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I think a big part of the problem is coaching. Quite a few times last week i saw the TEs go in motion and then Smith line up in the backfield as a FB and then we ran the ball and depending on which side of the QB Smith lined up off set of the defense even knew the direction. What a way to tell the defense that your going to run the ball. That play is OK when its short yardage and the defense knows that your probably gonna run anyway but you don't do it on 1st and 10 in the middle of the field that just guarantees failure. Also, I don't have the numbers (maybe someone can find them) but it seems like we run a lot to the left, most teams usually run to the right where your better run blockers should be.
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I have said it before, and I have even typed in advance of plays (on the Gameday thread) on occasion what the play will be, and where it will be run. We do a lousy job of disguising our intentions.
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I still cannot comprehend that something tipping all of our run plays could ever be happening. I mean, you almost take it for granted that the opponent wouldn't know what we're running on offense. I also take for granted that someone at this professional of a level should obviously know better. 
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GM, maybe you missed where I laid blame on the coaches as well as the line's lack of run-blocking.
I saw it but I still say 90 percent of the problem is with our offense, the play calls, and the O-line coach and not with the five guys on the line.
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I actually like our OL Coach, George Warhop. He is a Mangini holdover, and one of the real quality coaches we have. I don't think that he's the problem. I do think that we have real schematic problems that lead to us tipping our hand far too often.
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Though two of his star players got hurt, Browns coach Pat Shurmur defended playing his regulars late in a blowout loss in Denver.
Shurmur said he was just trying to win when prized rookies Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden were injured in the second half of the 34-12 loss.
''What do we do, just stop playing?'' Shurmur said Monday. ''So you just run the ball and get out of there, warm up the buses? Is that what? We're trying to do what we can to move the football. At that time it was a three-score game. Typically that means throw it.''
So if you're down by 3 TD's with 7 minutes left, doesn't that mean you typically try the onsides kick? 
According to the Akron Journal, the players were grumbling about Pat's play-calls down the stretch.
Dude can't get gone fast enough for me, as he's just another in a long-line of coaches who may know X's and O's but absolutely suck on game-day...
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Dude can't get gone fast enough for me, as he's just another in a long-line of coaches who may know X's and O's but absolutely suck on game-day...
I agree, and why does it seem like every one in that long line, ends up coaching the Browns?
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