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My list pretty much begins and ends with Chip Kelly.
Arg. Please dear God, no.
If Chip Kelly comes here I swear I will stop being even an observer of the Browns which im about to become instead of a fan.
Can we start banning people who don't follow up on such threats? It's getting quite annoying.
You wont have to ban me I wont be here. 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Yeah yeah.
At least Mangini built a playoff team for Rex to completely screw up.
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You know Mangini was already the coached us, right? 
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I find this whole conversation completely depressing. There's just no obvious choices and there's got to be a record number of teams looking for a new coach /GM this offseason. I have a feeling we're going to end up with a left-field shurmer type... Someone none of us has on the radar. I actually kind of hope so. Absolutely none of the "big names" intrigue me very much. I definitely hope so with regard to GM. If we get Lombardi I'm going to be very sad. Veeeery sad.
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Oh, I definitely do. I think Holmgren was stupid in firing the guy.
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I would say we are more likely to keep Shurmur than we are to rehire Mangini. With that said, neither is going to happen.
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I would be shocked if Mangini ever gets another NFL HC gig again. He has developed a reputation as a coach who is difficult to get along with.
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Fresh Brownies Game Day: Zimmer on Browns' radar?
PITTSBURGH —
Several Browns players said they expect to hear shortly that there will be a coaching change, meaning, of course, there will be a week of wild speculation about Pat Shurmur’s successor.
One sleeper to watch is Mike Zimmer, the 56-year defensive coordinator of the Bengals.
The Bengals head into their second straight postseason, finishing at 10-6 after beating the Ravens. Zimmer’s defense entered the week ranked No. 6 in the league.
He has a long background with 4-3 schemes and was an assistant coach with the Cowboys from 1994-2006.
There are indications Zimmer is actually on the radar of the Browns’ decision makers.
Indications are not as strong that Bruce Arians will be considered, but the former Browns offensive coordinator has made a great case for himself in a year when a boatload of jobs could come open.
Coming off a 4-12 year, at which time Arians was offensive coordinator of the 12-4 Steelers, Indianapolis posted a stunning 11-5 record in 2012. Arians spent most of the year as interim head coach, masterfully bringing along rookie quarterback Andrew Luck.
If Michael Lombardi becomes a key man on the player personnel team expected to replace the Tom Heckert regime, Josh McDaniels is a name to watch.
Lombardi has said he believes McDaniels’ two-year ride as head coach in Denver will serve him well in his next job. McDaniels is offensive coordinator in New England, where Lombardi’s son is employed.
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I've laid it out in the past so I'll just hot point it.
I live in Duck country. So I've seen too much Duck football quite frankly. Here's what I see. Kelly isn't a good game coach. He is a master of his system. When faced with disciplined defenses he never once that I saw changed what he did offensively. Stanford beat him as did Auburn and OSU because of his inflexibility. He's coached the same system his entire life. I don't want any part of bringing in a college coach that has to change his coaching system to transition to the NFL. He has a massive ego. It's well documented by the local press' dealings with him. I don't see him changing.
His system is perfect for the situation he's in. Oregon's offense is a roster of three star track athletes. Most 5'7"-5'10" and well under 200 pounds. Guys that the other schools aren't after hard because they're running more traditional offenses. That won't fly in the NFL.
My worst fear is Kelly coming here and trying to play college ball in the NFL. Drafting Gino Smith or bringing in Vick or Tebow to try to run his O. I see disaster all over it. Setting the team back for a long time. Gino is a bum and isn't anything close to RG3. Vick ugh. Tebow, just kill me.
Kelly will crash and burn in a massive Spurrier 2.0 mess.
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Arg. Please dear God, no.
If Chip Kelly comes here I swear I will stop being even an observer of the Browns which im about to become instead of a fan.
Can we start banning people who don't follow up on such threats? It's getting quite annoying.
You wont have to ban me I wont be here.
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anywho...
Jim Tressel FTW!
Apparently, you don't believe in proper capitalization and "anywho" isn't a word. If you're going to criticize the writing of other posters, perhaps you should demonstrate some command of the language yourself. Hmm? 
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Zimmer is intriguing to me...
And I'm kinda surprised fellow Bungle, Jay Gruden, isn't talked about more round here. I'd think the name alone would have people in a frenzy.
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I wonder if JimmyJoe will go with an offensive or defensive-minded coach? Zimmer is intriguing as is Kyle Shanahan, IMO. Ariens did a real nice job with a young Indy team for most of the year and Haslam probably knows a bit about him from his days in The Pitts. If nothing else, it will be "interesting" to see how this all unfolds. 
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Well, my list changed pretty quickly:
Lovie Smith must get an interview. I would KILL for him here.
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Lovie Smith must get an interview. I would KILL for him here.
I agree
Candidates that interest me
- Lovie Smith
- Chip Kelly
- Mike McCoy
- Mike Zimmer
Those four aren't bad choices I don't think
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Lovie Smith is a MUST interview. He pretty much tops my list of available coaches. Would love to have him here.
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Lovie Smith is a MUST interview. He pretty much tops my list of available coaches. Would love to have him here.
If we don't blow up this team, being that it is such a young squad I am loathe to think of a young coach to lead them or an NFL inexperienced one like Kelly. I'd be happy with a proven winner in Smith. I can imagine Turner getting fired in San Diego and would love to have him here as OC with Juaron as DC, and L. Smith as HC.
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1. Lovie Smith
1a. Kyle Shanahan
3. Mike McCoy
4. Jack Del Rio
Give me them.
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Give me Bruce Arians for Head Coach ...... teamed up with Ron Marinelli (from Chicago) as defensive coordinator.
I think that would give us a dangerous team with an attacking offense and defense.
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Dirk Koetter’s dance card filling up fast With the Falcons enjoying a bye week before they open the playoffs, one of their coaches has found a way to spend his down time. According to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter is set to interview for vacancies with the Eagles, Chiefs and Browns. Koetter has brought a bit of a spark to a Falcons offense that had plateaued, and his offensive credentials are solid. How he fits into the Browns’ just-stated plan of hiring a powerful head coach doesn’t seem like a natural fit, but they do have some intriguing parts to work with. The Chiefs clearly need help with an offense that seems to have sufficient skill position players but no quarterback. web page
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I count four teams that will have similar staff structures as us:
Patriots - Belichick and everyone else
Broncos - Elway/Fox everyone else (no GM in place)
Cowboys - Jerryworld
Seahawks - Schneider is the GM, but Carroll has final say
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So you're telling me we're supposed to interview more than one guy? This guy probably has the same agent as Banner though, right? That's things work, right?
Wonder if they will interview Singletary to meet the rooney rule? It should be interesting to see what the league says because i think they have their guy already identified. Just a matter of can they offer him enough power to join the B&H team.
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So far the tally is this:
Arizona
Buffalo
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Cleveland
Kansas City
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There are also potential firings in Carolina and Jacksonville.
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Is Detroit for SURE retaining Schwartz?
Also, I'll never be 100% confident that Garrett is safe in Dallas.
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Also, I'll never be 100% confident that Garrett is safe in Dallas.
Those two seem to be safe, but I would say they are on shaky ground.
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I saw this story and thought it had some pretty big nuggets in there: Jason La Canfora Quote:
The Browns have cleaned house, firing head coach Pat Shurmur and GM Tom Heckert on Monday. Despite the recent football history in Cleveland, there are many reasons to think the Browns job is an attractive one.
They have a franchise running back in Trent Richardson (who apparently played half of 2012 with broken ribs), a franchise left tackle in Joe Thomas and a stud cornerback in Joe Haden. Heckhert, despite losing his job, positioned this franchise well; he was more a victim of new ownership wanting "their guys" in place.
One interesting -- and potentially scary? -- note to the Browns' search is that they'll be looking for a coach first, before hiring a general manager. Typically speaking, you want the GM to pick the coach, but it's clear that the power structure isn't going to operate in a traditional fashion in Cleveland. Joe Banner might have a little bit of power, huh?
But it also appears to indicate Cleveland wants a coach who's looking for some heavy input into the personnel. Let's look at some candidates.
Jon Gruden, ESPN: CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman reported that Gruden will interview for jobs. The former Buccaneers and Raiders coach is a native of Sandusky, Ohio, and played college football at Dayton. He has ties to the region. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is a huge University of Tennessee booster and was rumored to be trying to lure Gruden to Knoxville; what if he just throws the bank at Gruden to bring him to Cleveland? It would be surprising if the "Monday Night Football" broadcaster left without a franchise quarterback, but considering a) we know of only one quarterback (Mark Sanchez) that he doesn't like, and b) the Browns don't get prime-time game, it's hard to know how he feels about Brandon Weeden.
Nick Saban, Alabama: A long shot? Perhaps. Maybe definitely. But Saban worked for the Browns for three years under Bill Belichick and he might view Cleveland as a situation where he's capable of turning things around quickly. There's no telling if he's "bored" at Alabama (why would you get bored with winning national titles?), but, if he is, Cleveland could provide a low-risk, high-reward return to the NFL with a chance to truly redeem his legacy after failing and leaving the Dolphins early. He'd also have patient ownership, a nice talent base and a rabid fan base backing his every move.
Josh McDaniels, OC, Patriots: McDaniels' name has been thrown around a lot with respect to the Cleveland gig; there's no telling how much is smoke and how much is actual fire. Given McDaniels' struggles managing talent with the Broncos, there might be some concern with him grabbing a ton of organizational power. His highs with Denver were high and his lows were loooooow, but there's no question he's a smart offensive mind. The question is whether he wants to leave New England and Tom Brady again. That's a cushy gig.
Chip Kelly, Oregon: I mean, what do these names say about the state of the Browns gig? That it's pretty good. Kelly reportedly wants plenty of power to run a team and he would likely get it in Cleveland. If concerns about NCAA scrutiny of the Ducks are more than a mere annoyance, Kelly might be looking to bounce, and the Browns could be a solid fit with plenty of young talent on both sides of the ball and the ability to keep restocking via the draft. Kelly would be a monster splash for Haslam and Banner.
Mike McCoy, OC, Broncos: McCoy's name has been all over place in coaching rumors, and with good reason: He fashioned an offense around Tim Tebow in 2011, managed to make the playoffs and casually ran the Broncos offense up to a No. 1 seed in the AFC with Peyton Manning under center. Banner said the team doesn't have a preference about whether they might go for an offensive or defensive coach, and it's possible that Shurmur's lack of success might move them away from the offensive end, but McCoy's very much a viable candidate.
Aaron Kromer, OL, Saints: According to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport, Kromer is one of four coaches (two of which are from college, two from the pros, ahem, see above) who are already considered candidates for the Browns job. Kromer is reportedly one of the pro coaches; he's a guy who has quietly risen up the ranks as a viable candidate thanks to the Saints success on offense. He went 2-4 as interim-to-the-interim coach for New Orleans this season in a difficult situation. He's also a name that the Browns could come back to if they whiff on any bigger candidates out there.
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None of the five strike me as must have coaches. Gruden can't build a team to save his life. Saban couldn't make it in the NFL and has a great job in Alabama. Kelly runs a gimmick offense which won't be successful in the NFL. McCoy is best served as a coordinator much like Romeo. The guy in New Orleans wasn't able to do much either.
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I go back and forth on Nick Saban. I just don't know if his system would work right now. His philosphy is a throwback that works at Alabama because of the the fact that he has more talent than most everyone else, and plays maybe 2 or 3 games a year against a team that has the kind of talent he has. Still though, if he can get that system to work at the NFL, you are looking at a juggernaut.
I like Chip Kelly. I think people are getting it wrong when they think they are going to see the exact offense he is running at Oregon. If they just put a little more thought into it. Don't think about what you're seeing in Eugene, and think more about what you are seeing in New England.
I also think he could adapt his philosophy around a QB instead of trying to jam the QB into the philosophy. I think he could do wonders for Brandon Weeden. Lots of shotgun, perhaps some pistol with a healthy T-Rich. Some fast paced no huddle. Play to the guy's strengths.
The guy I think we may end up with is Bill O'Brien. I think the situations seem to match. We need a coach, I think Bill O'Brien needs to get out of Penn State after the harsh penalties were handed down. There was a report out this week that said O'Brien was under the assumption that they wouldn't get hit/get hit hard.
He needs the Browns as much as the Browns need him. They could plug him in, while still keeping power. I also think the guy can coach. He's not my first choice, but he's the guy I think ends up with the job and I'm OK with that.
I also think the guy has stones. To go and take THAT job, whether or not they received penalties says to me that he's not afraid of anything in that business. That's the kind of guy Cleveland could use.
I also think he would be willing to work with what we have instead of flipping around personnel and schemes.
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Saban has tried the NFL Head Coaching job before and didn't exactly set the world on fire. Why do I hear so many say he's the answer? I'm a bit confused by that.
as an NFL HC, he's 15-17. I mean, I get it, he's a helluva college coach.. no question about it. But so was Butch Davis and Steve Spurrier.
I actually think he prefers the college scene better.
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I like Chip Kelly. I think people are getting it wrong when they think they are going to see the exact offense he is running at Oregon. If they just put a little more thought into it. Don't think about what you're seeing in Eugene, and think more about what you are seeing in New England.
I also think he could adapt his philosophy around a QB instead of trying to jam the QB into the philosophy. I think he could do wonders for Brandon Weeden. Lots of shotgun, perhaps some pistol with a healthy T-Rich. Some fast paced no huddle. Play to the guy's strengths.
Why do we want a coach that has to change his system? I just don't get it. Think about it the otherway around. If you had a desire to run the read option at your college program would you hire Nick Saban? Well he can change his system to fit. He's smart. He'll just adjust what he does to fit the style you want. Makes perfect sense right? No! You hire a guy that has a record running the system you want. Why are we all wanting to hire a guy that has to change what he's ALWAYS done?
Weeden can't run the pistol. He's no threat to run. If Kelly is hired who do you have running his gimmick...er...offense? Tebow, Vick, Dixon, or do want to draft Gino Smith? Cuz all those options suck.
New England has Brady. They can do a lot if stuff because he's Brady. Weeden is no Brady. Kelly isn't a miracle worker. He's a coach. Can't even begin to make the comparison.
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Well, sure but Kelly simply understands offensive concepts and how to manipulate a defense. A lot of people get caught up in the read option highlights and ignore how efficient Kelly has been in coaching QB's. Just look how good of a PASSER his last few signal callers have been:
2012 - Marcus Mariota: 2511 yards, 69.9% completion, 30 TD's, 6 INT's
2011- Darron Thomas: 2761 yards, 62.2% completion, 33 TD's, 7 INT's
2010 - Darron Thomas: 2881 yards, 61.5% completion, 30 TD's, 9 INT's
While he leans on some of the read option techniques his offenses are really balanced. They're not the typical run, run, run the QB college offenses. They feature really athletic RB's, spread the defense thin and use play action to just tear them apart.
His exact system may not work in the NFL but if Bill Bellechik is consulting him on offensive techniques, it's not exactly a bad thing. Clearly the Browns don't have Brady but they DO have enough offensive talent for a competent X's and O's guy to come in a be successful.
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Well, sure but Kelly simply understands offensive concepts and how to manipulate a defense. A lot of people get caught up in the read option highlights and ignore how efficient Kelly has been in coaching QB's. Just look how good of a PASSER his last few signal callers have been:
2012 - Marcus Mariota: 2511 yards, 69.9% completion, 30 TD's, 6 INT's
2011- Darron Thomas: 2761 yards, 62.2% completion, 33 TD's, 7 INT's
2010 - Darron Thomas: 2881 yards, 61.5% completion, 30 TD's, 9 INT's
While he leans on some of the read option techniques his offenses are really balanced. They're not the typical run, run, run the QB college offenses. They feature really athletic RB's and use play action to just tear apart defenses.
His QBs aren't asked to do a lot. It's a two read passing option, then the QB tucks and runs. The D knows this and breaks down onto a scrambling threat QB. The QB keeps his eyes up and passes to a now wide open WR. Or he runs for yardage if the DB/LB stays with the WR. Watch Duck games. Watch how often this plays out over the course of a game.
Now, you want to play this style? Who's our QB? What's your plan? Cuz Colt and Weeds can't do it. Gino Smith? Vick? Tebow? Who?
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