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Honest question because I don't know.. but when in the last 3 or 4 years has he been behind by 2 scores late enough that one really needs to start abandoning the game plan? And what kind of adjustments do you think he should make to his base offense when he's behind?

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I don't know but when the read option is being shut down by a disciplined D something has got to change. That's the thing. He has no other style to fall back on. Everyone here thinks, "We'll he'll adjust his game to the pro level." He has no other game. He's never coached another system. So now he's suddenly going to change? To what, a system or style that he's never used before in his coaching career? Does this not scare anyone but me?

it also worries me. I'm not a big fan of hiring Kelly as number one option, but if we wait until Kyle Shanahan can interview, we might end up stuck with nobody or Whisenhunt.

Whisenhunt may not be a bad option...the guy knows the AFC North better then just about anybody not named Cowher or Arians....granted he isn't my 1st choice, but I'd take Whiz (A Cowher disciple who has been to 2 Super bowls and won 1) over Chip Kelly.

in 2008 everyone knows James Harrison was stipped at the half yard line...that ball never crossed the plane....that blown call cost Whiz a Super Bowl....So i would say Whiz is a decent option.

I also like Bruce Arians...that guy is good with QB...Tim Couch had 1 good year here and Arians was his OC, Arians molded Peyton Manning, look what Arians has done with Rothlisberger and Andrew Luck...the last time we made the playoffs Arians was claling the plays...Arians is a good coach i'd love to have him back here...Arians always called a good game on O

however, personally im hoping the Eagles outbid us for Kelly and we get O'Brien...something about O'Brien just screams winner to me....the guy makes it quite clear that he is in charge...the fact he can get in Tom Brady's face and tell him to shut his pie hole means players will repsect a man like him....O'Brien will demand results.

Personally, O'Brien is probably our best option...he spent 2007-2011 with Bellichik....and he may be the 1 guy that actually learned a thing or two from Bellichik....he didn't flop as a head coach at Penn State...what he done with that program with the shape its in...its a testament to the guys abilities...he done an outstanding job.

I see O'Brien as a guy that could truly change the the culture here in cleveland and get us back on the right track....O'Brien is a leader, he has leadership qualities, and him getting in Tom Brady's face tells me he will hold his players accountable and will demand better then what we have seen here the last few years...O'Brien has that strong personality this team desperately needs...and theirs no doubt this guy wants to win almost more then anybody....

Mark my words....O'Brien will be the next Sean Payton and i hope the Browns are the ones lucky enough to get him...

I didn't see this posted yet?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/881110...ccording-report

We've interviewed O'Brien, Whisenhunt, Ray Horton

J/c

Bill O'Brien is staying at Penn State.

j/c..So if we get Kelly & Lombardi are we known as Chip & Dip****..

Thanks for the info Ammo. So thats 3 guys we were interested in that have decided to stay put. McDanials Kutter (however its spelled) and now O'Brian.
Cant say I blame them for staying put just interesting to see the names go off the board.

Jc


I hate to see O'Brien come off the board. Mary Kay reported the Browns really liked BoB, but he was more than likely their fall back plan for Kelly saying no.

Mary Kay IMO is slowly morphing into Roger Brown and his/her "sources"

Oregon has already named their o-coordinator their next head coach. Granted they say "if" Kelly leaves, but honestly who does that AND announces it publicly if they don't already know it's a done deal?

My guess is Kelly is announced as our next HC some time tomorrow or early Saturday with the "official" interview being essentially a formality. With O'Brien/Kuetter/McDaniels all off the board, that really only leaves him or Whisenhunt (I don't think Lovie was a true candidate). If Kelly likes Philly or Buffalo instead of us though, then I expect us to announce Whisenhunt over the weekend as our Plan B.

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I don't think Kelly will come here anyways. I think he is just using the Browns as leverage for his negiotions with the Eagles. Even though im not a Kelly fan, Chip is not dumb. He has a much better roster to work with in Philly then we have here...Jackson +McCoy + Maclin and a decent QB in Foles...the Eagles just had a lot of injuries this year, their OL was down 3 starters.....The Eagles are in much better shape to compete next year....

Kelly is going to go where him and his system have the best chance to succeed....and outside of the Gmen the NFC east is not as tough of a division and the Eagles have a lot more talent on their roster.

Ken Whisenhunt is a better option for us anyways...He comes off the Cowher tree, He knows how to scheme an O to win in this division, He knows Dick Lebeau and his D probably better then anyone, and he has that hard nosed Cowher style about him. As much as i don't like Weeden, I think Whisenhunt could make a slightly above average QB out of him, and Whiz likes to run the ball so he will use Richardson unlike Shurmur....

With O'Brien out of the mix Whisenhunt is probably our best option....If only he had a QB in Arizona after Warner retired....theman tried with DA, and later traded for Kolb (who was thought by many to be a starter) its not like the man didn't try....I think the Browns could really get something going with Whisenhunt....i'd like to have him here.

I'm "warming" to Chip Kelly. Still far from sold but the more I read/learn the less of an automatic disaster I think he'll be (and hey, we've been a disaster for over a decade so no big change if that's the case....at least we'd be REALLY entertaining to watch every Sunday).

I do really like the idea of Whisenhunt though. My ONLY hesitation with him is that he's a 3-4 guy so yet another blow up and rebuild of the D front 7 over the next 2-3 years would be required (right after we FINALLY got a 7-8 player deep solid rotation on our DLine).

Is Kelly married to the 3-4 ..... or is he more of an offensive guy who worked with a 3-4 coordinator?

In the perfect scenario, and what I want to happen if Kelly is named head coach, is for Jauron to keep doing his thing with the defense under a 4-3 scheme. Let Dick handle the defense.

Yeah, I misread it.

I just don't get the infatuation for a guy who only has four years HC experience in the NCAA that runs a gimmick offense.

From 1990 - 2006, the biggest place he ever worked was New Hampshire and the highest level he ever coached to that point was OC.

I have the feeling that this fan base is so starved for a winner they'll buy into anything. So let's see...... He runs a total gimmick offense that you couldn't possibly run in the pros and we're "having faith" that this guy can and will adapt without anything of substance to base that on?

Great..... Here we go again...

He's coming here to be the head coach, not the offensive coordinator.

There can be a huge difference, if the candidate accepts the difference. If he is the head coach, he will set the agenda and direction for the team, and may even set some direction for the offense, since that is his area of expertise ..... but his job is t run the team. He can make suggestions, even strong suggestions, but he should not get bogged down in the minutia of play by play operations.That was Shurmur's biggest mistake last year. He refused to hire a coordinator, because he could do it all himself. We saw how that turned out.

Kelly had offered assistance to the Pats and other teams ..... and has also learned from their head coaches. I think that he probably has a pretty good idea of what works in the NFL, and he probably has a few ideas he wants to try. Nothing wrong with that. Stuff he has suggested other teams try seems to have worked.

He seems more involved with the pro game than anyone I can remember who hasn't actually coached in the NFL. Further, I'd rather have a guy like that than a guy who has been recently involved with the pro game at some of its highest levels, than a guy who was a coordinator for a couple of years a few years ago, was modestly successful, then moved on to a modestly successful college coaching career.

Further ...... from what I understand, Brady calls plays now at the line of scrimmage using a single word, instead of needing a dictionary. That would help us immensely. I think that Weeden needed a thesaurus at times this year just to call an off tackle run. I'd rather the QB go to the line with plays "Tiger", and "Sky", with a subset of plays called in the huddle, (essentially the "1" plays, or the "2" plays, or the "3" plays) with a kill command available to switch the plays if necessary. Imagine getting to the huddle, and saying "Tiger", or "Sky", instead of the massive verbiage of the WCO. It would take seconds. The QB would never use the number at the LOS ..... so the defense would never know if they were getting the Tiger play that runs off tackle, the one that runs a streak down the left sideline, or the one that runs a crossing route. The team could get to the line with 25-30 seconds left on the play clock, allowing the QB the opportunity to see what the defense is showing, then to either stay with the play called, or change it ...... to snap the ball quickly .... or to wait ..... and generally to give the defense just a couple of other things to worry about.

As I said, there was an article that Kelly came up with this idea, and Brady is now using it instead of having to recite the dictionary at the line. Considering that the Patriots put up 557 points this year, (2nd most in their history) I'd say it was fairly successful. They were #1 in both offensive yards, and points scored.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/oregon_coach_chip_kellys_up-te.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has met with Kelly and incorporated the Ducks' rapid pace into their offense run by Tom Brady. New England not only leads the NFL in points and total yards, but plays. The Patriots ran an average of 74.4 plays per game in the regular season. By comparison, the Browns ran 62.3.

New England has eliminated lots of verbiage from its play calls, according to the Boston Globe, allowing them to run plays more quickly when they want to push the pace. Belichick learned how from Kelly.

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Anyone who can teach Bill Belichick something is someone I have to, at the very least, consider strongly.

Here is a great video of Oregon Offense

notice at the end of the video he said "if we had the players to run the power I, we would run it"

he will adapt his offense

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I agree that I want a guy who is not so completely in love with his own brilliance that he tries forcing players who don't fit into doing things they don't do well.

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The brilliance of Don Shula, Chuck Noll and Paul Brown (just to name a few) was that they didn't try to fit square pegs in round holes.

They either got guys that could do what they wanted the way they wanted, or they adjusted to fit the abilities of those guys they had.

When Belichick was our HC, he wanted Kosar to be something he wasn't. Instead of using the abilities that Kosar had for reading the D, he decided to make him into a robot and of course, it didn't work.

Kosar was almost done by that time anyway, but he had a few more years in him and maybe successful ones had he been allowed to use his best asset, his mind.

Gruden still looms out there.
I put him in the one job that we are hearing nothing about...SD.

My predictions

Reid-KC
McCoy-AR, CHI
Smith-BUF
Kelly-PHI, CHI
Gruden-SD,
Wisenhut-CLE,CHI

CHI is a wildcard

J/C

my thoughts on Chip.

i'm not totally sold on him as he's a huge risk. i actually prefer the other Kelly who is coaching in the NC game.

but, I understand why Haslam/Banner are interested and the direction they seem to be going in. sabremetrics in the NFL is the next big thing. the Ravens put a ton of money into trying to analytically figure out who to take in their draft. other reports get sent out from time to time.

but, Chip is a full-bred statistician. he goes by what the equations say is the right choice for 2pters, onside kicks, 4th downs, etc. alot of it flies in the face of conventional wisdom. honestly, i think the sample sizes are too small at the NFL level to really show anything definitively, so that'll be interesting. but, that is how he rollls.

any coincidence we also hired the Cowboys sabremetric guy who was always at the Sloan conference?

it's about more than his offense, IMO.

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it's about more than his offense, IMO.

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The big question I have is if he's hired, will he be his own OC/call the plays? (I know they can be 2 different things, but I'm curious on both counts.)