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I know of people that are excited for Kelly.
RyinCbus, Brandon Leister, Dustin Fox, Keith Britton, Albert Breer and several Browns players.
Chip Kelly's system of zone read runs are the same plays that Richardson ran at Alabama as well.
I know of some people that are excited too. James Harrison, Ray Maliluga, Terrell Suggs, Troy P... Licking their collective chops at the thought of laying wood to a running QB. Knowing that by playing disciplined D they'll shut us down and the Browns will be irrelevant for another decade.
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I highly doubt he is going to install a running QB ...
I don't know for certain as I can't read minds, but I think, "think," he is going to install his principles of the offense - i.e. one word plays, multiple reads at the line of scrimmage, aggressive practices, going with statistics instead of a gut feeling, playing to the players strengths ...
he did say in an interview I posted on here that he would run the power I if he had the players to do so.
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I was a McCoy, Whisenhunt guy too Dave. But it is what it is and rather than be
a grumpy, forever unhappy Browns fan I'll see what developes.
Whether Haslam is right or wrong he didnt set back and wait for the scraps.
As a hockey coach/football coach/baseball coach I always said 'Make a mistake having some idea in mind, not sitting back on your heels".
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Do you think that the next HC (Chip Kelly or anyone else) is concerned by what Harrison, Maualuga, Suggs, Polamalu or any other defensive player has to say about it? Seriously?! 
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Do you think that the next HC (Chip Kelly or anyone else) is concerned by what Harrison, Maualuga, Suggs, Polamalu or any other defensive player has to say about it?
Seriously?!
That's how you interpreted what I was saying? Really?
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I'm pretty philosophical about the whole thing, actually. I'm somewhat detached since '95. I'm still a fan, still like 'em, and watch all the games - but they no longer rule my mood. Anyway, it seems clear which way we're going with this hire, and I'll make the best of it.
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Do you think that the next HC (Chip Kelly or anyone else) is concerned by what Harrison, Maualuga, Suggs, Polamalu or any other defensive player has to say about it?
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That's how you interpreted what I was saying? Really?
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I know of some people that are excited too. James Harrison, Ray Maliluga, Terrell Suggs, Troy P... Licking their collective chops at the thought of laying wood to a running QB. Knowing that by playing disciplined D they'll shut us down and the Browns will be irrelevant for another decade.
Yes. That's what I took from your statement.
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CLEVELAND -- The Browns will meet again with Oregon coach Chip Kelly tonight in Arizona and hope to reach an agreement by the end of the meeting that will make him their 14th fulltime head coach.
"Be ready for something to happen today,'' a league source told the Plain Dealer today.
Kelly, 49, met with the Browns for seven hours on Friday, but walked away from owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner without a deal, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen. Kelly told them he wanted to proceed with his previously schedule meetings with the Bills and Eagles. The Browns are still believed to be the frontrunners for Kelly's services.
Kelly met with the Bills Friday night and will meet with the Eagles today. The Browns are schedule to meet with him sometime around dinnertime.
Mortensen said today that one issue for Kelly with the Browns is their uncertain quarterback situation. The Browns have Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy and Thad Lewis all under contract, but Kelly apparently doesn't see his man in the bunch.
"If he becomes their coach, one consensus has been reached,'' Mortensen said. "The Browns don't have their quarterback of the future on the roster.''
If that's true, the Browns will look for a starter in the draft, free agency or through a trade.
If the Browns don't have the deal finalized tonight, they'll certainly try to get it wrapped up by Sunday, the source told the PD.
The Browns were also "very impressed'' with Syracuse head coach Doug Marrone, who interviewed with them this week. The Browns liked the fact Marrone has NFL experience, including three years as the Saints' offensive coordinator.
Marrone has also interviewed with the Bills, and will interview with the Eagles and Chargers. He's becoming one of the hottest 2013 candidates, and figures to have an NFL job soon.
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"If he becomes their coach, one consensus has been reached,'' Mortensen said. "The Browns don't have their quarterback of the future on the roster.''
So much for that BS report that made people think McCoy was Chip's man.
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It's all a smoke screen to get first round trade value for McCoy and Weeden!
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Whelp...He hasn't agreed to come to Cleveland and the Browns haven't hired him yet. Unless we are throwing major big-time bucks at the guy, I doubt if he makes a decision this quick. A smart guy would at least spend a little more time interviewing and sizing up the Bills and the Eagles (?) plus any other "sleeper" team that the press hasn't picked up on yet. I've learned not to go emotionally whacko with the moves the Browns make. More like a skeptic. Wonder why? Could it be that very very little has worked in the past 13 years? 
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so who is it going to be tebow or vick?
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I like Chip Kelly, helluva coach, but I'm very hesitant to take someone without any NFL experience.
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It seems to me that he spent a ton of time with us, but expressed his desire to fulfill his obligations with other interviews. Then he's agreed to come back to the Browns. That's happening tonight.
That's a 90% sure-thing right there. It'll be done tonight unless some other team doubles our offer.
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"If he becomes their coach, one consensus has been reached,'' Mortensen said. "The Browns don't have their quarterback of the future on the roster.''
So much for that BS report that made people think McCoy was Chip's man.
Just seems odd that in a seven hour interviewTHIS was all that escaped!
Although I can't argue with the fact our QBs arent stars this just sounds fishy.
We dont know what his plan is so how do we or anyone else know how guys fit the scheme?
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I know people are gonna hate me for even suggesting this, but if for whatever reason he doesn't go to the Jaguars (nor to the CFL), does anyone think Tim Tebow has a chance to come here to run a Chip Kelly system? I know. I'd rather have some other QB. Just felt like throwing it out there for laughs. 
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I know people are gonna hate me for even suggesting this, but if for whatever reason he doesn't go to the Jaguars (nor to the CFL), does anyone think Tim Tebow has a chance to come here to run a Chip Kelly system?
I know. I'd rather have some other QB. Just felt like throwing it out there for laughs.
I believe I saw a Kelly quote that basically said that ain't happening.
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"If he becomes their coach, one consensus has been reached,'' Mortensen said. "The Browns don't have their quarterback of the future on the roster.''
So much for that BS report that made people think McCoy was Chip's man.
What makes you think that Mortensen know what the hell he's talking about?
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Kelly has been quoted as saying he likes a QB who can run, as opposed to a guy (by name) like Tim Tebow, who is more runner than passer. IIRC, he said that his QBs only run about 8 times/game ...... and that they are usually the 2nd or 3rd rushers on his teams.
I don't think that Tebow is what he's looking for.
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Just felt like throwing it out there for laughs.
You'll get something much more heinous than laughs. 
Tebow can't throw the football. Kelly may want a mobile QB, but that QB will still have to throw the ball.
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I like Chip Kelly, helluva coach, but I'm very hesitant to take someone without any NFL experience.
Could we do any worse then our post-exodus coaching history has shown?
I don't want to see any more guru's coming out from under Bill Belichick's wings again. We've certainly picked up a lot of guys who either didn't learn anything from Bill, were totally riding his coat tails, were promoted into obscurity (Peter's Principle), or truly had little talent to begin with (and that's why New England didn't fight to keep them).
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I know people are gonna hate me for even suggesting this, but if for whatever reason he doesn't go to the Jaguars (nor to the CFL), does anyone think Tim Tebow has a chance to come here to run a Chip Kelly system?
I know. I'd rather have some other QB. Just felt like throwing it out there for laughs.
Somewhere on this thread, 3 or 4 pages back, RocketOptimist posted a good Kelly article. Go back and find it. Very interesting read!
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I know people are gonna hate me for even suggesting this, but if for whatever reason he doesn't go to the Jaguars (nor to the CFL), does anyone think Tim Tebow has a chance to come here to run a Chip Kelly system?
I know. I'd rather have some other QB. Just felt like throwing it out there for laughs.
I believe I saw a Kelly quote that basically said that ain't happening.
I heard a similar report as you did (via the interwebs and WKNR) but my own mind had already made that decision. My mind had wondered about it briefly and then concluded that there is little to no chance of it happening.
My best guess is that Tebow does end up in Jacksonville.
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One might think Thad Lewis came closer than anyone else to fit a form of his system. Of course, we're assuming we know what system he may run.
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Do you think that the next HC (Chip Kelly or anyone else) is concerned by what Harrison, Maualuga, Suggs, Polamalu or any other defensive player has to say about it?
Seriously?!
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I know of some people that are excited too. James Harrison, Ray Maliluga, Terrell Suggs, Troy P... Licking their collective chops at the thought of laying wood to a running QB. Knowing that by playing disciplined D they'll shut us down and the Browns will be irrelevant for another decade.
Yes. That's what I took from your statement.
What I was saying is these D players would love us to run a read option. They've loved hitting our QBs in the past and I'm sure would love more opportunities to hammer them more outside the pocket where they become a runner and lose the QB protection rules.
I know that Haslam, Banner, and Kelly don't care what the opposing D's players think. They're delusional enough to believe the read option could actually work in the AFCN.
I know I know I know Kelly is going to change what he's done through out his entire coaching career to 'whatever works for his players'. Which he's never really done in the past as he's always recruited for and run his system. So we get to be the proving ground for his 'as yet to be seen new variation of what he's always done'. Sorry if I'm not enthusiastic.
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We know what kind of system that Chip Kelly would run if he is hired.
With that said, I agree that Thaddeus Lewis is more likely to run the offense that Kelly would bring in than Brandon Weeden. However, McCoy's skills are more known in this regard. It's possible that Thaddeus Lewis might be given a shot at the job in camp, but I don't think it's possible that Weeden will be given that shot.
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Hence, I threw it out there for laughs. Not serious in any way. Honestly, I'd have no problem with Chip Kelly. The more I read up on the guy the more I feel generally comfortable with the idea of him coming here.
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Another first round QB pick (especially this years class) would make me ill.
If your going to take a flyer on a guy late he better be a decent upgrade over Lewis or colt.
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If it makes you feel any better Port, I understood what you were saying 
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Am I trying to be a better person?
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And what I'm saying is that no NFL head coach (or candidate for the job) is concerned with what any NFL player thinks or says. If they do, they're the wrong guy for the job as the Browns head coach.
Besides, you are making the assumption that they're going to run the same offense that Kelly ran at Oregon. They won't, but it will certainly implement good doses of that scheme if Kelly is hired but it won't be purely the zone read.
It's not easy to compete with Stanford, Cal, and USC just in the PAC-10 to say nothing of top flight schools around the rest of the country. It's Oregon! In another way of explaining it, it's not easy for teams like the Seattle Mariners to compete with the Angels or Rangers to say nothing of teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.
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Another first round QB pick (especially this years class) would make me ill.
If your going to take a flyer on a guy late he better be a decent upgrade over Lewis or colt.
That's why I don't think that there is much chance that they'll spend a high draft pick on the QB position. McCoy and Lewis are quite possibly QB prospect for any offense developed by Chip Kelly. Weeden isn't.
With that said, I don't think that a 'decent upgrade over Lewis or Colt' is needed. We'll probably get an opportunity to see if Kelly can coach either of them (or both of them) first. I think that the possibility of us taking a QB within the first 4 rounds of the draft is not very high at all. I would say that possibility is between 10-15% at best.
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If this is to be then let's get it done tonight!
I'm anxious for the presser! Grossi should have some dumb questions loaded up!
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At the very least I think we bring in a FA. Vick,T. Jackson etc. I do think we may draft a mid-round guy also ( EJ Manuel, C. Klein?).
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And what I'm saying is that no NFL head coach (or candidate for the job) is concerned with what any NFL player thinks or says. If they do, they're the wrong guy for the job as the Browns head coach.
Besides, you are making the assumption that they're going to run the same offense that Kelly ran at Oregon. They won't, but it will certainly implement good doses of that scheme if Kelly is hired but it won't be purely the zone read.
It's not easy to compete with Stanford, Cal, and USC just in the PAC-10 to say nothing of top flight schools around the rest of the country. It's Oregon! In another way of explaining it, it's not easy for teams like the Seattle Mariners to compete with the Angels or Rangers to say nothing of teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.
Re read what I wrote. I stated I know Kelly is going to change WHAT HE'S ALWAYS DONE. That's a big part of my concern.
As far as him winning in the PAC 10 I've gone over this in many other posts but roster sizes, Nike's money/marketing, a system that utilizes undersized three star speed recruits that most big programs aren't coveting, a down USC, weak PAC 10 D's... All lead to Kelly dominating. If he'd gone to say, Clemson, he'd be just another guy trying to win in the south. Oregon was the 'perfect' place to do what he did. Not the 'toughest' place to do what he did.
What Oregon did in the Joey Harrington years was much harder. Recruiting to Oregon top athletes that could play in an NFL system. If they ever get back to that I'll be impressed.
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Re read what I wrote. I stated I know Kelly is going to change WHAT HE'S ALWAYS DONE. That's a big part of my concern.
For someone who claims to be such an expert on Kelly, you sure are misinformed.
Kelly has not always run the Oregon version of his offense. Over the course of his coaching career, he has fit the system to the players that he has had at his disposal.
you had a good run Hank.
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I'll admit I don't know what he ran a few years back at Johns Hopkins. In his years at anything resembling real football he's coach a variation of his spread/read option.
Oh wait he didn't gain offensive control until he ran the powerhouse team at ... New Hampshire.
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No no, keep going. I like watching you try to act like an expert on Kelly, when he was leading one of the best passing attacks in FCS history in New Hampshire.
you had a good run Hank.
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Yeah I mean, coaching guys how to play football and become better people is COMPLETELY different depending on where the coaching takes place and the caliber of the athletes involved. I mean Johns Hopkins isn't a big-time college...that's a dude's NAME for crying out loud. And New Hampshire? Is that even a state? You sound like a typical O-$-who homer  I started out thinking the amount of mental masturbation going on in these threads about Kelly demanding a run-first option QB was comical. Now it's just sad. He may accept our offer and become our HC (probable it seems) or he may not. He may be a total bafoon and just photo-copy his Oregon playbook and white out Oregon to read Cleveland Browns (this would be an unmitigated disaster)...or he may bring ELEMENTS of his up-tempo, shotgun, no-huddle, zone read spread offense to the NFL (this could be the most fun and effective offense we've seen since our return). Like most other offensive coaches, his "scheme" will ultimately fail miserably or succeed wildly based on two things though: 1) His ability to mold "his" scheme to "our" players to put them in the best places/opportunities for success - Something virtually none of our previous coaches could figure out. 2) The play of our QB, whomever it is. - It's a QB league. No matter what offense he dreams up or runs, you have to have a QB who can go out and read the defense, make the right audibles, has the physical and mental ability to execute it. Belichick without Brady isn't a genius anymore. Weeden may or may not be that guy. I don't think he's that guy NOW. I DO think he CAN become that guy if given time, stability and put in a position to succeed (see point #1 above). Whether any of that happens we'll just have to wait and see.
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