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The only folks that got played were the media. The NFL teams and Kelly were doing their due dilligence, while the media wanted stories and tweets... and in the process screwed the pooch.
True there. In the past we would have only heard a meeting was set up. Now its they spent this much time etc everyone scrambling to get the scoop.
In the end as someone else said no one will really know what happened in those meetings.
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The only folks that got played were the media. The NFL teams and Kelly were doing their due dilligence, while the media wanted stories and tweets... and in the process screwed the pooch.
Yep This I want it and I want it now attitude of people these days makes me sick. Just sit back and wait for the process to play out people 
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Not feeling very approving of the moral character of Chip Kelly. If his intention all along was to stay at Oregon, he just jerked around several organizations.
Might be the best thing for the Browns and Eagles that they didn't land him. Same goes for the Bucs last year, and whatever organizations he jerks around next year.
Like I said, I have respect for what he did in College but I don't know if he has what it will take to be an NFL HC. that's why I"d prefer that he get some experience as an OC in the NFL before being throw into the fire as HC.
But you are right Toad,, if you believe all the reports (and you shouldn't) he sounds as if he's been playing them off each other.. Not sure I think too much of that kinda thing.
Could be that Buffalo saw through it and just moved on.
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I think I might give Mike Zimmer an interview also. Anyone who can turn Burfict around can handle the team as a HC.
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Why would they look like they were played?
No company gets every person they want to hire. None. These are high profile jobs. Last year Kelly all but accepted the Bucs job before backing out. Why would we look bad if he takes a different job, or even stays where he's at?
It has to do with the perception of how this all went down then it does with Kelly. IMO, the Browns got tired of the circus, as they should be, and moved on. But their inability to at least try to control how the story was unfolding (How on earth did they NOT have a beat writer down there in AZ) has made them look bad, imo.
The perception is that we are now looking to (at least) our plan D, and that once again we are settling for something other then what we wanted.
Now we're moving onto a coach who didn't win anything without a qb that he tried like hell not to play (Warner). Woo. Hoo.
At this point, I think you have to re-config your list.
I think that all this talk about Plans A, B, C, D, E or whatever aren't the way that these things work.
As I see it, there are a number of candidates that the Browns brass had put into consideration. Chip Kelly just happened to be one of the first available that they had looked at and they decided to go another direction.
The initial interview probably went well and they wanted to discuss it some more. When it turned into the circus that it's become, their view of Kelly may have changed.
The old adage that you don't get a second chance to make a first impression holds true. It also holds true that the first impression that someone gets of you can be undone by subsequent impressions that you give to them. I think that's what happened in this case.
I think it changed when Kelly didn't keep his appointment to meet with the Browns brass last night after meeting with Philly for nine hours. I suspect that Haslam & Banner decided that Kelly wouldn't baring the culture that they wanted after all. Now, Haslam & Banner are on to another candidate that was in the pool of candidates. They've already interviewed several others (because they were available) and more could become available this weekend.
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Bah, The media bit and bit hard on this story.
They look like the idiots they are!
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in any business decision you have a plan and your rank what you feel will benefit you best..
Not sure if Kelly was ranked number 1 or not, but he was highly thought of, and that was evident in Banner/Haslams presser a few days back.
I think their entire short list is gone, and now they have to really dig deeper to see if they can get the type of HC they want.
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I think their B list could prove better in the long run.
McCoy
Whisenhunt
Smith
Shanahan
Gruden
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Chris Mortenson: "Browns contingent heading back to Cleveland to reboot. Chip Kelly will not be their next head coach."
I never wanted Kelly, but the way this went down looks bad. First the Browns fell hard for Kelly. Then when Kelly had an extended lunch with the Eagles the Browns (Banner) let it be known that Marrone was a very close #2 if not Kelly and him were neck in neck. So while they are waiting word from Kelly the Bills Sign Marrone.
In the mean time Banner has also let slip that McCoy will be in the next coaches plans...well that was assuming Kelly's option read style of offense. Now that they don't know who the next coach is that statement makes absolutely no sense. What if the next coach likes Weeden? Beginning to look like rank amateurs.....wait actually we are "Continuing" to look like rank amateurs.
At least I am glad they aren't making some rash quick hire and are going to go back and regroup. Maybe I can count that as organizational progress.
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in any business decision you have a plan and your rank what you feel will benefit you best..
Not sure if Kelly was ranked number 1 or not, but he was highly thought of, and that was evident in Banner/Haslams presser a few days back.
I think their entire short list is gone, and now they have to really dig deeper to see if they can get the type of HC they want.
I have the same feeling that their short list is gone. I said last night that if they dont get Kelly they will need to go back and re-load their list.
No one can say for sure if that is true. Im sure they are working on that on the plane, as we speak.
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can we stop posting in this thread.. this guy doesn't deserve to be on our HC, nor on our message board. 
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The Cleveland Browns have decided to reboot their coach search after leaving Arizona late Sunday morning without landing Oregon's Chip Kelly, according to league sources. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam III will renew the search at "square one" once his executive contingent, including CEO Joe Banner is stationed back in Cleveland after interviewing eight candidates in Arizona. Kelly and Syracuse coach Doug Marrone emerged as the leading candidates but Marrone reached an agreement to become the next coach of the Buffalo Bills. The Philadelphia Eagles are the only other NFL team known to have interviewed Kelly. League sources believe the chances of Kelly returning to Oregon were significant with a decision expected Sunday. Kelly has built the Ducks into a national power. Oregon has gone 46-7 in the last four years and made four consecutive BCS bowl games. Kelly run's a high-octane, fast-breaking offense, and elements of his schemes are already being used by New England and Washington. If he returns to the Eugene, Ore., campus, Kelly may be facing NCAA sanctions as the school is being investigated for recruiting violations. Haslam and Banner had been in Arizona since firing Pat Shurmur last week. Shurmur went 9-23 in two seasons with Cleveland, which is seeking its sixth full-time coach since 1999. LINK Anybody know who are the 8 people this article says we have interviewed? I only know of Kelly, Marrone, Horton, and Whisenhunt, who are the other 4?
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Bah, The media bit and bit hard on this story.
They look like the idiots they are!
But if Kelly stays at Oregon, the media backlash against him will be endless. He may be totally comfortable staying in the NCAA if that happens because that's the only option he'd have.
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Guy just called local sports talk saying he was "Brandon in Berea". When they went to him he just yelled "WOO-HOO!!" ... LMAO. The host asked him if he was kidding when he said he couldn't run the zone read and he said "Hay-ul no!"
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Because I'd feel like I'm being played. Friday, there was some disappointment that Kelly was going to go through with his meetings with Buffalo and Philly after all indications were that he was all but signed-sealed-delivered - but that was just Kelly "keeping his word".
That is one way of looking at things and I can see that as a possible scenario. I have seen people that reported that as their opinion and I've seen people accept that viewpoint as fact. But if Kelly simply said he wished to see the interview process through as he promised, I really don't see any hint there that suggests he was "signed, sealed and delivered".
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Then, yesterday, he completely blows off a scheduled 2nd meeting with Haslam and Banner. So we are to believe that at no time during a 9 hour interview with Philly could Kelly just stand up and say "Guys, I have to cut this short. I have a prior obligation."? I understand maximizing your options, but I'm getting the feeling that Kelly and his agent are just conducting a bidding war between two known rivals, Banner & Lurie.
As much as the fan in you precieves that as sleezy, it's actually a sound negotiating strategy. The NFL isn't a game, it's a business. Even Haslam in his initial prsser mentioned marketing on more than one ocassion and said the NFL is about marketing.
That really didn't set well in my gut that's where he went in his first press conference to this fan base, but he did none the less.
I see this differently than you do. Any worthy candidate for HC most certainly contacted our FO and made them aware he wouldn't be able to keep that meeting. It most likely wasn't as much of a "bride left standing alone at the alter" as you seem to be describing.
Secondly, if I were this FO, I would want someone in charge who weighs his options and takes this matter seriously enough to think this thing through. That way, when and if I did get his commitment to come here, I would know he made an educated decision, weighed his options carefully and came here because he felt it was the best possible scenario for him.
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I would love Wisenhunt, guys got fire and has been to a super bowl in which he would have won despite an amazing drive by Ben and catch by Santonio.
When the guy had a QB he was incredible, and maybe he would be able to swing a deal to get Fitz here.
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Penn States Head Coach was interviewed. cant remember anyone else.
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Tired of hearing about Whisenhunt going to the Super Bowl. Dude had a Super Bowl-winning, first-ballot Hall of Famer at QB. Since that QB retired his teams have been as bad as ours.
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Whisenhunt, McCoy, Zimmer HC
Jauron, Smith or Marinelli DC
Grimm or who else OC
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Tired of hearing about Whisenhunt going to the Super Bowl. Dude had a Super Bowl-winning, first-ballot Hall of Famer at QB. Since that QB retired his teams have been as bad as ours.
^^ This
Also, remember how he tried keep Warner on the bench as a backup before he took the cards to the SB? So he can evaluate qb talent too!!!
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Tired of hearing about Whisenhunt going to the Super Bowl. Dude had a Super Bowl-winning, first-ballot Hall of Famer at QB. Since that QB retired his teams have been as bad as ours.
And they never got him another solid QB. We had neither the coach, QB or most other positions here to compete.
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As intriguing as Kelly was I can't help but feel like we dodged a bullet by not hiring him.
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As intriguing as Kelly was I can't help but feel like we dodged a bullet by not hiring him.
I agree.
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Tired of hearing about Whisenhunt going to the Super Bowl. Dude had a Super Bowl-winning, first-ballot Hall of Famer at QB. Since that QB retired his teams have been as bad as ours.
And they never got him another solid QB. We had neither the coach, QB or most other positions here to compete.
many feel the same way about the Browns as well, and there are not alot of upgrades at QB so what would make him any different here?
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Bring Back Bruce!
As you know, I would not be oposed to that at all.
But don't you wonder.........
If Kelly didn't want the job and O'Brian didn't want the job..... and Marrone didn't want the job.......
Did you ever think there must be some kind of sound reasoning as to why people don't want to sign on as our HC?
I'm wondering that if Ariens actually went through the interview process like the rest of these guys did, if he would still want the job after all?
At some point, it has to make you wonder.
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Penn States Head Coach was interviewed. cant remember anyone else.
That would make 5, so who are the other 3?
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Tired of hearing about Whisenhunt going to the Super Bowl. Dude had a Super Bowl-winning, first-ballot Hall of Famer at QB. Since that QB retired his teams have been as bad as ours.
And they never got him another solid QB. We had neither the coach, QB or most other positions here to compete.
So you want to bring him here...where there is no solid QB?
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If I take that line of thinking then HC choice makes no difference!
Many instances of the light bulb coming on for guys under different coaching!
I dont think weeden was set up to succeed here.
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As intriguing as Kelly was I can't help but feel like we dodged a bullet by not hiring him.
I agree.
Ditto. To bad I don't feel relieved. J&J are making me nervous. Or at least the media is w there reports. How on Earth could Marrone been neck & neck w Kelly? Why let it be known to the public who you're "enamored" with? Is it strategy? I feel like Haslam's greenness as an owner is really showing.
I hope there a ton of new interview announcements in the next couple days.
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I just hope that Kelly signs with Philly then ...... so we have a clearer field to choose from.
What teams are still looking?
Browns
Philly
San Diego
Cardinals
Bears
Jaguars(? ..... assistants cut loose, but no word on Mularkey yet)
Panthers(? ... though Rivera is reportedly safe)
Who are the candidates?
Chip Kelly
Shanahan
McCoy
Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Bruce Arians
There have been a few others mentioned as well ...... like Jim Mora supposedly being interviewed in San Diego ..... but these seem the most likely candidates for the Browns.
I really am not impressed with Whisenhunt. He failed in Arizona, and has no time to "reflect". That was a criticism of Eric Mangini. Dtito for Lovie Smith. Chip Kelly is going somewhere ...... or going home again. The others are offensive coordinators who are still in the playoffs. Shanahan and/or Arians could find their seasons end today and be available for immediate interviews.
I believe that we are going to go with an offensive guy. That means maybe Whisenhunt, McCoy, Shanahan, or Arians.
I still like Arians more than anyone else on that list. Hire him and bring in Marinelli as the defensive coordinator and start to grow this team.
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If I take that line of thinking then HC choice makes no difference!
Many instances of the light bulb coming on for guys under different coaching!
I dont think weeden was set up to succeed here.
Ok then I understand. I too think Weeden just needs the right coach that will run on offense he can excel in. I was commenting more to if you didnt think Weeden is the guy.
I think we would be on the lower end of 50% in thinking Weeden can be the guy though. 
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Pretty sure Jags released Mularkey yesterday.
Arians year hinged on the Colt players emotions as much as anything. Not taking it all away from Arians but we've seen it before. Win one for the Gipper...
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Heard Marc Trestman was geeting an interview with Chicago. Many here mentioned him the last two Browns hires.
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Pretty sure Jags released Mularkey yesterday.
Arians year hinged on the Colt players emotions as much as anything. Not taking it all away from Arians but we've seen it before. Win one for the Gipper...
Emotions do not last the entire season especially with a rookie qb.
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Pretty sure Jags released Mularkey yesterday.
Arians year hinged on the Colt players emotions as much as anything. Not taking it all away from Arians but we've seen it before. Win one for the Gipper...
The only thing I see about Mularkey is that the Jags' owner is leaning towards keeping him.
As mentioned above ..... emotions don't last a whole year. You might get a few games out of the emotional boost, but the Colts team developed as the year went along ...... it wasn't just emotions run amok.
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