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Luck is 4-10 for 23 yards so far. They have done a nice job running the ball so far though.


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Edit: thought this was the gameday thread. Irrelevant to this discussion.

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I think we're going to get a pretty good idea of just how important Arians was to the Colts right now.




yep... has nothing to do with the fact that you have a rookie QB in his first playoff game on the road going against a defense that's fired up to have one of the best MLBers to ever play the game back on the field... yep... all Arians...


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The only thing you can really look at is the pattern of plays called, and the overall flow of the offense. I agree that it's hard to tell whether or not he would have called a better game, but his relationship with Luck, and his leadership are both missing from the field for the Colts today, and those will be hard to replace.


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Likewise, having the man who coached you to the playoffs laying in a hospital bed instead of standing on the sidelines is wholly immaterial.

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What teams are still looking?

Browns
Philly
San Diego
Cardinals
Bears
Jaguars(? ..... assistants cut loose, but no word on Mularkey yet)
Panthers(? ... though Rivera is reportedly safe)

Who are the candidates?

Chip Kelly
Shanahan
McCoy
Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Bruce Arians





Other candidates that you left off:

Jay Gruden (OC Cin)
Zimmer (DC Cin)
Bradley (DC Sea)
Dennison (OC Hou)
Horton (DC Ari)


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I have an Iphone and the WKYC app just put up a little alert that the Browns are out of the running for kelly.. But when I went to read the whole story, it wasn't there

Take that for what it's worth...

Went to the regular site (not the app) and really what it's saying is that Kelly has the Browns and Eagles waiting but that ESPN is reporting that Kelly will not be the Browns HC.

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I have an Iphone and the WKYC app just put up a little alert that the Browns are out of the running for kelly.. But when I went to read the whole story, it wasn't there

Take that for what it's worth...

Went to the regular site (not the app) and really what it's saying is that Kelly has the Browns and Eagles waiting but that ESPN is reporting that Kelly will not be the Browns HC.

Again, FWIW




I don't get your point?

We are moving on and not considering him any longer....at least that is the company line.

I think we showed interest, he kept hemming and hawing and we decided he wasn't the decision maker we wanted.


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yeah the media totally jumped the gun all weekend on this Kelly stuff.
1st hes with the browns for 7 hours hes as good as signed.
2nd Hes with the eagles for 9 hours hes good as signed
3rd we talk to someone so that means we tossed down the ultimatum we have our new guy
4th Everyone goes home so Kelly is out of the running for the Browns.

Reality probably was as many said they all went through the process. The Eagles and Browns really picked his brain and he in turn probably really discussed what he wants and money wasnt the biggest issue.
In the end they all continue on happy they meet.


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They should lock this sucker down and turn the page. If they got bad vibes or Chip didnt want us all the better IMO. It's business.

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I'm reading these latest tweets and reports and nobody knows a damn thing. It's been like this since last night. Mary Kay is talking out of her ass jumping on every little crumb someone throws out like it's gospel. She even fell for a fake tweet last night. Grossi's now laughing at Browns fans for blaming this fiasco on the media....even though they created it, IMO. Personally, as I said earlier....the NFL teams and the prospective coaches are just doing their due dilligence with the interviewing process. The media's creating their usual dysfunctional BS trying to be the first out with a story, no matter how false or misleading it may be.


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Yahoo.com reported that the Eagles have set their sights on Denver's OC, so that tells me Kelly probably had no intentions of leaving Oregon whatsoever.


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I have an Iphone and the WKYC app just put up a little alert that the Browns are out of the running for kelly.. But when I went to read the whole story, it wasn't there

Take that for what it's worth...

Went to the regular site (not the app) and really what it's saying is that Kelly has the Browns and Eagles waiting but that ESPN is reporting that Kelly will not be the Browns HC.

Again, FWIW




I don't get your point?

We are moving on and not considering him any longer....at least that is the company line.

I think we showed interest, he kept hemming and hawing and we decided he wasn't the decision maker we wanted.




That's my take as well, peen. It looks like Kelly has yet to make any decisions but the Browns are the ones pulling out. Not saying he would have come here, but the appearance is that we closed the book on this.

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I'm reading these latest tweets and reports and nobody knows a damn thing. It's been like this since last night. Mary Kay is talking out of her ass jumping on every little crumb someone throws out like it's gospel. She even fell for a fake tweet last night. Grossi's now laughing at Browns fans for blaming this fiasco on the media....even though they created it, IMO. Personally, as I said earlier....the NFL teams and the prospective coaches are just doing their due dilligence with the interviewing process. The media's creating their usual dysfunctional BS trying to be the first out with a story, no matter how false or misleading it may be.




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Yahoo.com reported that the Eagles have set their sights on Denver's OC, so that tells me Kelly probably had no intentions of leaving Oregon whatsoever.




And that could very well be. Kelly is a god in Oregon, plus he has the NFL beating a path to his door to learn his schemes and philosophies. Once he enters the NFL, he's "just" another NFL coach. That could very well enter into his thinking.


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if he goes back to Orgeon again I think he'll have a hard time finding a job in the NFL... maybe someone will want him again? but basically telling three different teams that you are very interested in them to just get a pay raise from your college team isn't going to fly forever.... the NFL and frankly the oregon fans are going to get pretty sick of this guy...


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Could very well be. I haven't read the news reports as intense as some on this board has but I gotta think the best option is NOT Chip Kelly and is more than likely a guy already in the playoffs, otherwise they would have had their man already.

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did the lawyers leave with them? lol as YTB said nothing has been said by anyone directly involved and the media is connecting the dots. They are probably right about the final outcome but they have not been right about any of it so far.


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The problem isn't not landing Kelly (or Marrone for that matter) as I didn't particularly care for him as a candidate anyway. The issue lies with once a again this organization failing to obtain the services of their top candidate after recruiting by all acounts for over a month.

They then further indicted themselves as being incompetent by leaking the "neck and neck" comment in regards to Marrone to the media.......only to have sign a deal with the Bills a few hours later.

They can still find a great hire and turn this around, but I don't see how any rational person cannot be somewhat apprehensive after what we've seen so far.


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If we start winning then we'll get good media coverage.

I could not care less about what they think. If we hire a new head coach, and he loses next year but then goes on to have a winning record for the next decade, no one will even remember Chip Kelly. If we lose for another 3 or 4 years, then all the media will talk about is "missed opportunities".


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After 7 hours of discussion.

Haslam: So what do you think? We are ready to make an offer.
Kelly: Im not sure you guys are ready yet, perhaps with a few changes you could be. I'm not going to take this job just to take a job. I do have meetings with other teams and need to at least find out what they have say.
Haslam: thanks for your time its been very enlightning. I would be interested in talking to you again tomorrow after your meeting with the Eagles.

Next night
Kelly: Hi Mr Haslam. Im sorry I ran over with the Eagles, if you want we can still meet but I am tired.
Haslam: Its ok I understand. I want to thank you again for considering the Browns. I feel we have an up and coming team and would welcome you here however we need to get back to Cleveland. My phone is open when you deside what your going to do.

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the Browns are a tough sell right now. when all you have done is lose since 1999,its gonna be hard to land that "A level coach"
Perception is a hard thing to overcome.
Its gonna take more than a new regime to turn fortunates around in Berea

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The problem isn't not landing Kelly (or Marrone for that matter) as I didn't particularly care for him as a candidate anyway. The issue lies with once a again this organization failing to obtain the services of their top candidate after recruiting by all acounts for over a month.

They then further indicted themselves as being incompetent by leaking the "neck and neck" comment in regards to Marrone to the media.......only to have sign a deal with the Bills a few hours later.

They can still find a great hire and turn this around, but I don't see how any rational person cannot be somewhat apprehensive after what we've seen so far.




2 things how do you know that Marrone didnt have that 2nd meeting with the Browns to let them know he was accepting the Bills offer then the media ran with because we met with him a 2nd time it was "neck and neck"?
there was no official quote from anyone on the browns just reporters reporting sources as other reporters reporting their opinions. No different then we did here.

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I don't see it like that at all.

The Browns have a lot of young talent, an owner willing to spend money, a willingness to allow the head coach to take as much power as he wants, and for the team to structure the front office in any way the coach desires/needs. Add in that the owner has a huge checkbook, and this is a really great opportunity.


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Who wants to work for the hook worm Joe Banner?
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Its gonna take more than a new regime to turn fortunates around in Berea




I don't see it like that at all.

The Browns have a lot of young talent, an owner willing to spend money, a willingness to allow the head coach to take as much power as he wants, and for the team to structure the front office in any way the coach desires/needs. Add in that the owner has a huge checkbook, and this is a really great opportunity.




It sure isn't playing out as attractive as JJ told us in the firing interview.


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the Browns are a tough sell right now. when all you have done is lose since 1999,its gonna be hard to land that "A level coach"
Perception is a hard thing to overcome.
Its gonna take more than a new regime to turn fortunates around in Berea




These guys egos are sooo big they think they can turn anyone around!
Not to mention the payoff would be huge and failure only means a big check for sitting at home for 3 or four years or working elsewhere.

Maybe they go to some guys who have been out of the league a while?

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the Browns are a tough sell right now. when all you have done is lose since 1999,its gonna be hard to land that "A level coach"
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Most openings in the NFL are not ideal. I dont want a scared coach that thinks because we have lost before he will only lose again here. I understand your point but I dont want that type of coach and wouldnt consider him an A coach.
If the coach doesnt feel we are ready then I can accept that he wouldnt take the job just to have it. I want a coach that is all in so to speak and believes it as well.

Who that guy is remains to be seen.


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I don't see it like that at all.

The Browns have a lot of young talent, an owner willing to spend money, a willingness to allow the head coach to take as much power as he wants, and for the team to structure the front office in any way the coach desires/needs. Add in that the owner has a huge checkbook, and this is a really great opportunity.




It sure isn't playing out as attractive as JJ told us in the firing interview.




They did really stick their necks out there with the we will get the next greatest coach comment for sure.


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And maybe it really isnt over at all.
After interviews of that length whats left to be said?
Offer on the table by two teams and Kelly goes homes to think on it.
No real need to stay in Arizona.

The media reports are wrong/twisted a good % of the time.

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The problem isn't not landing Kelly (or Marrone for that matter) as I didn't particularly care for him as a candidate anyway. The issue lies with once a again this organization failing to obtain the services of their top candidate after recruiting by all acounts for over a month.

They then further indicted themselves as being incompetent by leaking the "neck and neck" comment in regards to Marrone to the media.......only to have sign a deal with the Bills a few hours later.

They can still find a great hire and turn this around, but I don't see how any rational person cannot be somewhat apprehensive after what we've seen so far.




How do we know that the Browns leaked that info? Perhaps it came from sources close to Marrone to get the Bills to hurry up with their offer. Seems to have worked.


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I hope we dont Land Kelly. There are too many question marks regarding just what he will do in terms of limited roster size and his unconventional style of offense. And also just how many pieces he will need for said offense. We have a young team that need direction. That direction though needs to generated to maximize there talents. Will Kelly adapt to what we have? Just to many question and excuses for failure in my opinion. We all know to well about experiments with ultimate power on unproven people (Butch "The Bull Head" Davis).

I want a coach that will fit the mentality of the city. Respect the proven pieces that we have on the team and maximize\optimize there talents on the field. Screw a rebuild!, we need to keep adding on and upgrading. That would mean a coach that doesnt stray to far from the Offense philosophy; keeping the Defense 4-3 in nature.

Anything else will require redevelopment. This team is young and cant\shouldnt have to relearn to play fast; without thought. Veteran team would be another story. Ken Wisenhunt and Lovie Smith come to mind. Someone please correct me if their philosophies would stray too far from the knowledge our browns players have gained.

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How do we know that the Browns leaked that info? Perhaps it came from sources close to Marrone to get the Bills to hurry up with their offer. Seems to have worked.




I agree how do we know anything that is leaked isnt just a smoke screen for someones ulterior motive.

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The problem isn't not landing Kelly (or Marrone for that matter) as I didn't particularly care for him as a candidate anyway. The issue lies with once a again this organization failing to obtain the services of their top candidate after recruiting by all acounts for over a month.

They then further indicted themselves as being incompetent by leaking the "neck and neck" comment in regards to Marrone to the media.......only to have sign a deal with the Bills a few hours later.

They can still find a great hire and turn this around, but I don't see how any rational person cannot be somewhat apprehensive after what we've seen so far.




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How do we know for certain? You are correct no one knows for certain who leaked the info. However, based upon the timing of the news coming out right after it became public that Kelly had stood us up I believe the brass did to save face. Could I be wrong...sure. The timing is awful coincidental though, and I just am very skeptical of coincidence.


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On a similar note, it is very coincidental that Marrone was hired by the Bills so quickly once that news came out.


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How do we know for certain? You are correct no one knows for certain who leaked the info. However, based upon the timing of the news coming out right after it became public that Kelly had stood us up I believe the brass did to save face. Could I be wrong...sure. The timing is awful coincidental though, and I just am very skeptical of coincidence.




again whats more plausible? They meet with him to rush kelly and leaked info he was neck and neck or he met with us to let us know he was signing with buffalo, which he did later, and the media created the rest?


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The Chip Kelly face-saving process commences

Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2013, 1:56 PM EST

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So when Chip Kelly returns for the second straight year to Oregon after flirting seriously with the NFL, what will the story be?

Will it be that Kelly and his agent, David Dunn, aimed too high and played too shrewdly and failed to get the deal Kelly wanted? Or will it be that Oregon stepped up, causing Kelly to decide there’s no place like home, at least for another year?

Our money is on the latter.

It’s not a fair bet, because the wheels already are in motion for Kelly to save face by staying put. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Nike chairman Phil Knight is making a push to keep Kelly at Oregon.

So why’s the push starting now? It’s been common knowledge for weeks that Kelly planned to bat his eyelashes at the NFL once the college season ended. If Knight wanted to prevent that from happening, it should have happened long before Kelly had a chance to turn the flirtation into action.

Knight previously may have stayed out of it due in part to Nike’s still-new exclusive apparel contract with the NFL. Now that it looks like neither the Browns nor the Eagles are willing to give Kelly what he wants, Knight risks creating no friction with the NFL by trying to persuade Kelly to love the one he’s with.


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Fair enough. I could very well be wrong, but they have come out looking like amateurs in all of this regardless of who leaked the info. I am a life long Browns fan, and understand wanting to find the silver lining in everything....I truly do....but the older I get I am better at sniffing out a Browns cluster, and this appears to be a cluster of abysmal proportions.

As I said before, they can still make a great hire and turn this around ( Saban, Cower, etc.), but this first go around hasn't made me overly enthusiastic about them at all.


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Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2013, 1:56 PM EST

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So when Chip Kelly returns for the second straight year to Oregon after flirting seriously with the NFL, what will the story be?

Will it be that Kelly and his agent, David Dunn, aimed too high and played too shrewdly and failed to get the deal Kelly wanted? Or will it be that Oregon stepped up, causing Kelly to decide there’s no place like home, at least for another year?

Our money is on the latter.

It’s not a fair bet, because the wheels already are in motion for Kelly to save face by staying put. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Nike chairman Phil Knight is making a push to keep Kelly at Oregon.

So why’s the push starting now? It’s been common knowledge for weeks that Kelly planned to bat his eyelashes at the NFL once the college season ended. If Knight wanted to prevent that from happening, it should have happened long before Kelly had a chance to turn the flirtation into action.

Knight previously may have stayed out of it due in part to Nike’s still-new exclusive apparel contract with the NFL. Now that it looks like neither the Browns nor the Eagles are willing to give Kelly what he wants, Knight risks creating no friction with the NFL by trying to persuade Kelly to love the one he’s with.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/06/the-chip-kelly-face-saving-process-commences/




ROFL so if all 3 teams (according to sources) have backed out and there are no other suites that would be the perfect time to toss him money because it wont cause friction? Come on reporters do you think we are totally unable to think?
Either there are still strong offers on the table or he has no choice but to go back.


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