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Mine would be similar to yours 79 with the exception of adding my two pipe dreams Saban and Cower.  I reaaly want McCoy or Shannahan though.
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Lmao totally forgot about him. Im hoping they interview both Bengal coordinators. Then Shanahan
kyle is someone that interests me as well however it may be awhile for the way things are looking before we could talk to him. I picked Seattle so who knows.
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I want them to interview every single legit candidate mentioned on this board. I have no preferences.
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according to Browns they pulled out of the Kelly sweepstakes because he was wavering and not 100% committed to leaving Oregon... dunno if it's true or just trying to save face web page
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If this IS the case, three cheers for our side!
!00% or nothing from staff ans squad!
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
I don't understand the anger with the front office over any of this. Either you get a guy or you don't and no one has any idea whats going on in those conversations. It was really immature from what I was seeing and there really was no reason for people to take shots at the FO.
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If this IS the case, three cheers for our side!
!00% or nothing from staff ans squad!
I agree with the last sentence . Mary Kay has been caught up in the media hype as much as anyone and everything she said was all stuff reported by media.
If Kelly isnt 100% commited though I dont want him. 
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It would tell me that Haslam probably read Holmgren like a book too and jettisoned his big, phony butt ASAP!
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
this from a guy who says Heckert failed because of Shurmurs record? Just giving you some grief, I know you said you would have been fine with him staying.
All that aside you cant come out and tell a fanbase you are going to get the next great head coach and then fail badly.If you make bold predictions, failing at being bold doesnt excuse the prediction, you have still failed.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
Nor do I think it prudent to make it sound like we are on plan C and we somehow botched it.
Just saying.
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It would tell me that Haslam probably read Holmgren like a book too and jettisoned his big, phony butt ASAP!
A no nonsense owner would be much appreciated by me!
Notice how there isn't much chatter about Holmgren? My bet is that the rest of the league realized he was sitting on his fat ass not really doing anything and don't want any part of him. Now they may end up in a situation where the pool is so watered-down (Pool...water...get it?!  ) they turn to him out of desperation, but if I were running a team, he'd be the LAST person I'd call.
IF it's true that Kelly doesn't know what he wants, then he's best staying in college, and we're FAR better walking away.
Good show Haslam and Banner, good show.
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
this from a guy who says Heckert failed because of Shurmurs record? Just giving you some grief, I know you said you would have been fine with him staying.
All that aside you cant come out and tell a fanbase you are going to get the next great head coach and then fail badly.If you make bold predictions, failing at being bold doesnt excuse the prediction, you have still failed.
If they deemed Kelly post interview to NOT be the next great head coach out there then they performed EXACTLY how I'd wish my FO to perform.
They may have saved us 3 more agonizing years! Who knows!
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All that aside you cant come out and tell a fanbase you are going to get the next great head coach and then fail badly.If you make bold predictions, failing at being bold doesnt excuse the prediction, you have still failed.
I was unaware that we've hired a new head coach, and that his tenure has already been deemed a failure. 
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All that aside you cant come out and tell a fanbase you are going to get the next great head coach and then fail badly.If you make bold predictions, failing at being bold doesnt excuse the prediction, you have still failed.
So who the hell says Kelly was that next great coach.. I don't see any failure yet.. All I see is a bunch of ramblings on this board.. no one knows crap.. all you spectulators are just as bad as the freakin media....
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I dont disagree whatsoever.
You have to admit that if you come out and say something like we are going to get the next great coach we have a list of about 4 guys and dont get any of them you may have been way over confident on your abilitys to actually secure those guys.
I dont think the Kelly thing is as done a deal as most but that is just me.
Go big or go home is really the theme they presented and so far atm they have failed to produce the results of that statement. Will it change perhaps, the book is open for sure but not much left in that department to stake a claim on.
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I do agree with the thought that if the Chipster didnt have his heart in this NFL thing I dont want him..Maybe his agents wallet was in it but CK saw past that or our FO did..IMO
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All that aside you cant come out and tell a fanbase you are going to get the next great head coach and then fail badly.If you make bold predictions, failing at being bold doesnt excuse the prediction, you have still failed.
So who the hell says Kelly was that next great coach.. I don't see any failure yet.. All I see is a bunch of ramblings on this board.. no one knows crap.. all you spectulators are just as bad as the freakin media....
LOL but that's what makes this so fun. to you and toad who do you feel left out there would meet that statement of the next great coach? while it could really be agured to death about Kelly (he could have been great or bust) who that is left would you have said that about at that time?
They had someone in mind when they said that and I cant prove it but I highly doubt it was someone else but those they have interviewed already. That is purely speculation on my part but if you told me you were going to win the lottery with your next ticket and then lost and kept buying tickets how long should I beleive you didnt mean your 1st tickets, even if you do win by default on your 9th?
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I just went out and moved my truck and John Clayton said the Browns defineatly backed off for whatever reason. He said Philly and Oregon (Phil Knight) might get into a bidding war that Knight would win.
Good for Jimmy if he had a bad feeling on it. Too bad Randy didnt have a whole bunch of bad feelings!
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I just went out and moved my truck and John Clayton said the Browns defineatly backed off for whatever reason. He said Philly and Oregon (Phil Knight) might get into a bidding war that Knight would win.
Good for Jimmy if he had a bad feeling on it. Too bad Randy didnt have a whole bunch of bad feelings!
I cant argue that. If I am the owner and have a bad feeling Im backing out as well. I always go with my instinct and I will never fault anyone for doing the same.
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They had someone in mind when they said that
This falls in line with what I was saying to RonWolfley about the lying that teams have to do. They have things which they have to say. To say otherwise is to lose advantage.
So what should the FO say when speaking to the fan-base?
"Dear season ticket holders. We are going to interview candidates. We're going to pick a guy who stands a real chance of sucking, in which case we'll be in stuck in a crap-hole in a couple of years. If you attend church, please say a prayer for us and for yourselves, because we can't guarantee the dude won't bomb. PS: BUY SEASON TICKETS!"
They have to say they'll get a great guy no matter if they have someone in mind or not. You can't hold their feet to the fire for saying the only thing they can say. It's their job to instill and show confidence. That's no different than a head coach giving his players a pep-talk before going up against a team that's favored by 4 TD's.
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I have a feeling Jimmy is pretty old school. a mans hand shake probably means something and a good verbal commitment means something, I obviously cant say either happened but I look at him as a southern gentleman type business guy.
On the flip side does Phil Knight like Kelly and the ducks or the 55 gazillion they spend on unis each year?!
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You have to admit that if you come out and say something like we are going to get the next great coach
I thought Haslam said something to the effect of whoever turns the browns around and makes them a winner will be deemed one of the great head coaches of the league... which I agree with and think we can still do without Kelly...
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They had someone in mind when they said that
This falls in line with what I was saying to RonWolfley about the lying that teams have to do. They have things which they have to say. To say otherwise is to lose advantage.
So what should the FO say when speaking to the fan-base?
"Dear season ticket holders. We are going to interview candidates. We're going to pick a guy who stands a real chance of sucking, in which case we'll be in stuck in a crap-hole in a couple of years. If you attend church, please say a prayer for us and for yourselves, because we can't guarantee the dude won't bomb. PS: BUY SEASON TICKETS!"
They have to say they'll get a great guy no matter if they have someone in mind or not. You can't hold their feet to the fire for saying the only thing they can say. It's their job to instill and show confidence. That's no different than a head coach giving his players a pep-talk before going up against a team that's favored by 4 TD's.
I dont doubt that one bit much as I said I understand the lying they did on doing evaluations. But they could have just as easly said and accomplished the same thing- We are going to hire a HC that is commited to the Browns and he will be given all the tools he needs to succeed. We feel we can find the right person to take the Browns to greatness again."
same result big difference. It doesnt matter right now because we are looking at 2nd teir people and I hate that we always are looking at 2nd tier people hoping they can become top tier, be it players or coaches.
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Some fans thought the Browns were "getting played" and seemed to revel in that as a way to take shots at the guys they didn't like. I think those same fans should profess admiration and/or approval towards our FO for not caving to a guy they didn't feel 100% on...
When I speak of being played I'm talking in this instance of Jelly taking advantage of the circumstances and actually playing the field..I don't get where he's coming from but the fact he did this before with Tampa is putting himself as a tease. If what I have read the Browns haven't done anything wrong but what he's done seems not right.
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Didn't have you in mind, Attack.
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I'd say Kelly had a BIG money, loooong term contract from Oregon in mind all along! That's exactly what he will get too!
Perhaps the NFL has no real appeal to him and why leave a good gig for the prima donas of the NFL.
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No I'm just saying...dude ticks me off..because he 's playing this sneaky even though he has the right to keep his interviews but he's lead them on..if he goes back to Duckville so be it.
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You have to admit that if you come out and say something like we are going to get the next great coach
I thought Haslam said something to the effect of whoever turns the browns around and makes them a winner will be deemed one of the great head coaches of the league... which I agree with and think we can still do without Kelly...
So do we give him as many coaches as Lerner tried before we turn on him or he finds a great one? Saying you are going to hire the next great coach is not the same as someone, maybe, a great coach if they win here,
Its really no big deal for me I just find it funny that some say Haslam/Banner is going to be much better and so far nothing has changed execpt we have no GM or Coach and are looking at 2nd teir people for coach and no real GM in sight.
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By Tony Grossi
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner were returning to Cleveland on Sunday without Chip Kelly and without a leading replacement.
The Oregon coach either spurned the Browns or turned them off with his waffling. Multiple national reports Sunday said that Kelly no longer is at the top of the Browns’ wish list.
Kelly reportedly is deliberating whether to join the Philadelphia Eagles or return to Oregon, where NIKE chairman and Oregon benefactor Phil Knight reportedly was pushing for Kelly to stay.
Kelly became the front-runner for the Browns’ job when Nick Saban informed Haslam that he would not leave Alabama, ESPN Cleveland reported. The Browns also had interviewed Bill O’Brien, who decided to stay at Penn State, and Syracuse coach Doug Marrone, who agreed to become coach of the Buffalo Bills.
The only other known candidates interviewed by the Browns during their five-day campout in Arizona were Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton and former Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt.
Whether or not Horton and Whisenhunt remain viable candidates is uncertain. The team has not commented on its search since a press conference with Haslam and Banner on Monday.
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported the Browns will restart their search without Kelly. Previous to that report, Jason Cole of Yahoo.com reported the situation with the Browns and Kelly was “fluid,” which means it could change.
So where do the Browns go from here in filling the jobs vacated by the firing of coach Pat Shurmur and General Manager Tom Heckert a week ago?
Theoretically, Haslam could revisit Saban after he coaches Alabama in the BCS Championship Game against Notre Dame in south Florida Monday night.
Also, the Browns could reconsider assistant coaches involved in the playoffs. None of their first batch of interviews included them, as Haslam seemed intent on filling the head coach position with candidates from the college ranks.
NFL assistant coaches who have been linked – either by requested interviews, or by speculative reports – to head coach openings include: Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden, Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, and Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley.
Two other slim possibilities are former coaches-turned-network analysts Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden.
As for replacing Heckert, the Browns have not formally interviewed anyone, as they said they preferred hiring a coach first.
They reportedly have requested permission to interview: Tom Gamble, 49ers player personnel director; George Paton, Vikings assistant general manager; and Ray Farmer, Chiefs director of pro personnel.
It is also well-known in NFL circles that Mike Lombardi has designs on a position under Banner. In fact, reports have intimated that Lombardi was the driving force in the head coach search, as Kelly, O’Brien and Marrone all had links to Lombardi. Now that the Browns have struck out on all three, Lombardi’s future role with the club is uncertain.
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Just clicking.
I'd be okay with interviewing either of the Seahawks' coordinators (Gus Bradley DC/Darrell Bevell OC). Really good play designs and schemes. Obviously that doesn't equate to head coaching success, but I really like the quality about Bevell in that he's worked wonders with Wilson and adapted to his personnel. I think he'd find great ways to use T-Rich as well. Just a bubble of an idea.
I'm just not giddy about Arians. I know you can make the case that the guy was coach of the year, but he's long in the tooth and was pretty much a phone call away from retiring last year. He just doesn't fit as for as longevity is concerned. If we go the Browns re-tread route, make it Brad Seely.
Or, the all high blood pressure team:
HC: Gruden (Chuckie, not Jay)
OC: Tom Cable
DC: Singletary
Holy intensity, Batman!
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In fact, reports have intimated that Lombardi was the driving force in the head coach search, as Kelly, O’Brien and Marrone all had links to Lombardi. Now that the Browns have struck out on all three, Lombardi’s future role with the club is uncertain.
Oh Grossi you pot-stirrer without any actual facts you. I'll say this though IF Grossi knows what he's talking about (a big stretch) and losing out on Kelly means no to Lombardi coming here as well...then consider me tickled pink about not getting Chip.
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Seely and his Special teams were what I want in my team all around!
He fired those guys up and they'd have stormed hell for the guy!
Worth an interview I'd say.
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I am not upset because we havent hired a coach. I am upset at the guys we have been chasing. The fact that we haven't hired another clueless coach like Romeo or ego Maniac like Mangini is a good thing. The rush to get our guy has gotten us 5 win seasons for far to long.
All of the best candidates in my opinion are still available other than Andy Reid and well we knew that one wasnt going to happen lol.
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LOL but that's what makes this so fun. to you and toad who do you feel left out there would meet that statement of the next great coach?
Pat Shurmur ...He had the balls and misfortunes of taking this task on when no-one else did..What other coach out there has the balls to come here and take on the youth here ? He may have grown along with the team to become that great coach..but who knows,but everyone has their opinion like the hole they wipe every morning...
How about Bernie...would love to here that presser 3 times a week...The guys smart as hell...but can he coach... Some will think he can and some will blast you for saying it...
Go back before the Shurmur hire and see who everyone wanted then...you would be surprised...
I think it was Graftz that said he would take Frosty the Snow man.. Me personally, I don't think he could handle the heat..HaHa..
So along with Haslam and Banner...I want that next great coach... putting a name to him is absolutely impossible, Why, because the only way we know of one for this team.. Is when it isn't expected and we at one time are crapping ourselves because we are winning big time...
Want more ? sorry I'm watching a play-off game and not all that concerned about who's going to be our next great coach....
Thinking about it a little, Bozo the clown would work..He has crazy hair and would relate to all the youngsters on this team...
How's that for fun ?
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I am not upset because we havent hired a coach. I am upset at the guys we have been chasing. The fact that we haven't hired another clueless coach like Romeo or ego Maniac like Mangini is a good thing. The rush to get our guy has gotten us 5 win seasons for far to long.
All of the best candidates in my opinion are still available other than Andy Reid and well we knew that one wasnt going to happen lol.
Then you gotta be very pleased right now, Mourg
I'm very-much on the fence with many of these guys. Haven't been super-excited about any one of'em.
If there's one guy I've got my eye on it's Kyle Shanahan.
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Nice post, Im glad you took it in the sprit intended. Shurmur you are correct took a job no one would have wanted. He could have been good but just for some dumb reason thought he wasn't the smartest man in the room because he didnt enter it. Ronald maybe decent but you have to go for carrot top if you really want to make a splash.  We will find a coach and I hope he is great.
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