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It matters to Pit. I suppose he expected the Browns to have a presser and say, "We really wanted Chip Kelly, we are so disappointed, now we are stuck.. boohoo boohoo." Because you know, that's what most NFL teams do...  Coming out of every draft or every coaching search every team says they got exactly what they wanted and they are very excited about it, that's how the PR game works.... I still have no problems with how the Browns handled it... They wanted to make a deal with Kelly, he stood them up, they said fine we are taking our offer off the table, Kelly went back to Oregon because he didn't really want to be in the NFL any way... I'm not sure why this is even still an issue.
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Why fault the guy for interviewing though? Teams called him, he interviewed, he declined. big deal. Ive gone on interviews before to to have a listen and check things out.
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Does it matter?
I guess that depends on your point of view.
If you're testing the honesty and integrity of the current FO it probably does.
If you're wondering if you're going to get a straight answer from them or something concocted by them to make them look better it does.
And I guess if you want people around the league to be able to take what they say seriously and believeable it does.
And as a fan, I think it's a gauge of knowing wheather you can take what they say seriously. If they're going to be a FO who shoots straight fro the hip and you can take them at their word or if they feel we're naive. ie...... They just say what ever makes them look good no matter the situation and we'll simply believe them while ignoring the facts.
So I guess if credability means anything to people it does mean something. If you could care less about credability I would say it means nothing.
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I suppose he expected the Browns to have a presser and say, "We really wanted Chip Kelly, we are so disappointed, now we are stuck.. boohoo boohoo." Because you know, that's what most NFL teams do...
Wow, just wow....... 
It would have been much better if they hadn't given such a knee jerk reaction. To have simply waited a couple of days. Once Chip went back to Oregon it would have been easy. Even if he had taken the Eagles job it would have been easy.
ie...... "In the end it appears Chip Kelly decided that his heart was still at Oregon and in the end he felt that was the best place for him. We wish him well."
ie.... "It appears that Chip Kelly felt he was a better fit in Philly and we feel that if he felt he could give Philly his all, we also feel that was the right thing for him to do."
See, those are classy responses. Professional.
It's not some CYA move to try to make it sound totally different than what really happened.
Now you can go on with your BS if you want. I could really care less. But it's obvious they didn't handle this so well. So you just go ahead and blindly ignore the facts of this situation and keep trying to point the finger at others rather than own up to the fact this was a very poor way to handle things. Try to shift the blame on those who call them on their mistakes rather than admit to them.
Support even the stupid things they do. After all, it's been a trend since 1999, so no sense in changing that now.
I'm kinda used to it. I was given the same grief when RAC flipped a coin to determine the starting QB on this board. Now everyone looks back at it and can see how stupid that looked.
I'm used to people making excuses for everything people do in our FO and on the sidelines. I've also seen where all their excuses have gotten this team so far.
 
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if someone is not showing up for scheduled meetings and not returning your calls, then why should you wait on them?
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if someone is not showing up for scheduled meetings and not returning your calls, then why should you wait on them?
Exactly.
Unless he was literally kidnapped, and could not get away no matter what he tried, then there is no excuse for not at least giving a courtesy call. Plus, as it turned out, even giving him everything he said he wanted as an NFL head coach wasn't enough ...... even though 3 different teams were prepared to offer him complete control.
He played the game, and got a big raise. I doubt that he will be taken as seriously as a candidate in the future, and he better pray that his college teams keep winning .... or he;ll become an afterthought.
I did read one theory about Kelly though ..... that being that he grew up in Boston (or that area) and has always been a huge Patriots fan ... and has dreamed of coaching the Pats, maybe when Belichick retires. Who knows? Maybe that'll be the case?
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It would have been much better if they hadn't given such a knee jerk reaction. To have simply waited a couple of days. Once Chip went back to Oregon it would have been easy. Even if he had taken the Eagles job it would have been easy.
ie...... "In the end it appears Chip Kelly decided that his heart was still at Oregon and in the end he felt that was the best place for him. We wish him well."
ie.... "It appears that Chip Kelly felt he was a better fit in Philly and we feel that if he felt he could give Philly his all, we also feel that was the right thing for him to do."
Since when has the media ever let you sit on something for a couple days without comment? Had he left Philly and gone back to Oregon the media would have been all over the Browns for comment.. better to get out ahead of the story and let the world know that Chip Kelly is no longer in the running and we have moved on, whether he decided to move on first or not......
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So you just go ahead and blindly ignore the facts of this situation and keep trying to point the finger at others rather than own up to the fact this was a very poor way to handle things. Try to shift the blame on those who call them on their mistakes rather than admit to them.
I genuinely do not think anybody, except Chip Kelly, handled this poorly.. and in my mind it's not that big of a deal.. how is that shifting blame and pointing fingers?
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Support even the stupid things they do. After all, it's been a trend since 1999, so no sense in changing that now.
I'm kinda used to it.
When you stand alone on the pinnacle of the intellectual and moral high ground as the keeper of all truth and perspective, I assume you would have to get used to it since it must be awful lonely...
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if someone is not showing up for scheduled meetings and not returning your calls, then why should you wait on them?
You aren't "waiting on them". You already know they're gone. You already know they aren't going to be your HC.
Kelly made that clear when he didn't even show up for the second meeting. But at that point, it's Kelly who has moved on. Trying to make it look like it's somehow the other way around makes you look foolish at that juncture IMO
Let's look at the facts. They already had Marrone in for his second interview at that juncture. So they were already moving on.
When it was obviously Kelly who had already moved on then coming back and making some kind of statement that it was actually you, not him who made that decision first, just looks foolish IMO
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What would make you look foolish is to continue to fawn over him and chase him
and wine and dine him.
Going home was the right move! Personally, after being stood up, I'd have dropped Chippy a "kiss my butt" call or held a presser saying he negotiated in poor faith.
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When you stand alone on the pinnacle of the intellectual and moral high ground as the keeper of all truth and perspective, I assume you would have to get used to it since it must be awful lonely...
Oh I'm not alone. everyone who points out obvious BS that's wrong around this place has taken grief for it since 1999.
That's just a single example of it.
The statement was foolish and it was obvious who really "moved on" first. All of your ramblings won't change that.
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What would make you look foolish is to continue to fawn over him and chase him
and wine and dine him.
I agree. And in going home and in interviewing Marrone for the second time was proof that the Browns had moved on from Kelly.
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As I said, I agree. I've never suggested they wait on Kelly or give him a second interview after he blew us off that way.
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Personally, after being stood up, I'd have dropped Chippy a "kiss my butt" call or held a presser saying he negotiated in poor faith.
And privately I'm sure they did and that's fine.
But publicly there are the right ways and the wrong ways to deal with things. Publicly it doesn't present the right message. There are a lot of other people we may interview coming up. If they get the feeling that the Browns may simply discard you if you follow through with the interview process with other teams, it doesn't put us in a favorable light.
It's not the end of the world, it's just a bad PR move.
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why are we still talking about chip kelly 
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Apparently you aren't reading the thread. People are discussing the way the new folks handled the matter, which is quite relevant. Don't like it? Move on to other threads. 
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I was pleased that they identified a guy they wanted and charged hard at him.
I'm now interested in seeing how they react now that they need to adjust their plans and continue the search. They've not seemed to go into some panic mode.
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Does it matter?
I guess that depends on your point of view.
If you're testing the honesty and integrity of the current FO it probably does.
If you're wondering if you're going to get a straight answer from them or something concocted by them to make them look better it does.
And I guess if you want people around the league to be able to take what they say seriously and believeable it does.
Now you are saying this...
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Personally, after being stood up, I'd have dropped Chippy a "kiss my butt" call or held a presser saying he negotiated in poor faith.
And privately I'm sure they did and that's fine.
But publicly there are the right ways and the wrong ways to deal with things. Publicly it doesn't present the right message. There are a lot of other people we may interview coming up. If they get the feeling that the Browns may simply discard you if you follow through with the interview process with other teams, it doesn't put us in a favorable light.
So your point a little while ago is that you wanted straight answers not concocted answers that make them look better... you wanted honesty and integrity from your front office, you wanted other teams to trust us and believe our word is our word...
Just 43 minutes later, you advocate that our FO should have told him to kiss their butt in private and then held a presser saying something completely different in order to manage the PR side of the issue and remain attractive to other potential candidates...
This is classic. 
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When you stand alone on the pinnacle of the intellectual and moral high ground as the keeper of all truth and perspective, I assume you would have to get used to it since it must be awful lonely...
Oh I'm not alone. everyone who points out obvious BS that's wrong around this place has taken grief for it since 1999.
That's just a single example of it.
The statement was foolish and it was obvious who really "moved on" first. All of your ramblings won't change that.
Pitdawg is not alone in his opinion concerning the Browns conduct after losing their #1 choice for HC.
Floating that hunk of manure claiming the Browns walked away from Kelly was laughable and anyone buying that is living in some fantasy world.
I've been reading the boards, posting rarely...I must say, there are a few, with Pitdawg being the most vocal, who are not overwhelmed with the Browns new leadership when it comes to truth, honesty and ability to get it right.
Haslam and Banner did not have a plan B because they were so sure of themselves that they would land Kelly. Then they lost their #2 choice while waiting on their #1 choice...which was a big mistake. If they were smart, they would have been working on their #2 just to make sure they didn't lose him if Kelly turned them down.
Well, our rookie owner and rookie Pres/CEO "in charge of the football side" have already made several misjudgments due to their inexperience and arrogance. Worst thing they can do now is panic and make a knee jerk move because they have already lost out on their top two choices.
Some of the best candidates are still involved in the playoffs...so no need panic...yet.
The question I have...what scared Chip Kelly off? What was it that turned him off on the Browns?
Pitdawg's opinions and viewpoint on what is going on with the Browns leadership pretty much mirror mine...he is not alone...I just choose not to say much.
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This is classic.
Not at all DC although you can twist it that way if you like.
No bride likes being left at the alter. So emotionaly you feel pretty bad about it. How you feel about something emotionaly doesn't have anything related to a certain situation.
If a groom isn't commited to a bride, he shouldn't marry her. If they don't get along well, they should never get married in the first place. There are many reasons why a groom would decide not to get married at the last moment.
Rather than the bride taking a long look at the situation and responding in a measured manner, in this case the bride didn't do that.
An emotional response is something we all feel like giving at one time or another. Yet often times it is not pertinant to the facts at hand.
So do I think that Haslam/Banner might have been a bit PO'd that Kelly left them hanging? Yes that's quite possible. And if they shared that sentiment privately I would understand that.
But looking honestly at the situation, that has no bearing on what happened. And in the professional world, you have already spoken of what a train wreck Rex Ryan is. That's an "emotional response" type of guy.
So yes, I would understand them being upset, but when it comes to speaking the truth, Kelly left the Browns at the alter, not the other way around.
So I would appreciate a reply from our FO that doesn't try to present a total non-truth. A backwards version of the facts is not professional. It sheds a bad light on things.
A totally emotional response that has no bearing on what factually happened here is not relative nor pertinant to the facts either.
But you just keep reaching there Bud!
Yet in this case, the bride said "I don't want him anyway", after being left standing alone at the alter.
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better than staying at the alter and waiting through the next day for the groom to show up like Philly did 
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I just think it is not a coincidence that a few select people who haven't liked anything that Haslam has done are also the most critical of this... It just looks like somebody is pushing an agenda....
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I'm thinking they interviewed Kelley Friday, probably walked out of that meeting not sure about his commitment but willing to let the process play out, otherwise why interview Marrone on Saturday. When Kelley cancelled their meeting on Saturday evening they probably got the idea Kelley wasn't commited to the NFL and made the decision to leave the following day. No one knows what may or may not have been communicated between Kelley and the Browns Friday or Saturday. I haven't heard from anyone that was actually involved in any of the conversations. Sure at that point Kelley may have decided he wasn't going to coach in the NFL but where is it stated that he made that clear to the Browns. I don't see how this makes J&J look bad at all. You don't know what's on a mans mind until you interview him and obviously they had questions after. Cancelling the meeting probably mutually ended the courtship.
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Yet in this case, the bride said "I don't want him anyway", after being left standing alone at the alter.
That's your biased take on it. I, as someone who has no bias toward Haslam or Kelly, look at it completely different.
I see the bride saying that if he left me here at the alter, who would want him anyway.
Everything you have say concerning this stinks of anti Haslam bias. You have no idea if they knew he wasn't coming or not. Maybe they told him forget it after he chose to go to Philly. You have no idea what was said in any interview, but you spout things here as if they are fact.
He could have been wishy washy during the seven hour courtship, and maybe that is why he was supposed to return, who knows. Not youor anybody who wasn't there. To me it is just as bad as it being made out that Banner was using Kelly in a pissing contest with Lurie. Again, no facts to back it up.
IMO, he led them to believe one thing, and was thinking another. He has a history of this, just ask Tampa. I feel Haslam and Banner looked at his inconsistent actions, and coupled that with his not returning, although no one knows, maybe they told him forget before that, and concluded that to build a stable program, you need a stable head coach. I see Kelly, after this move and last years, as someone chasing the big dollar. I really think the Nike money is all he is after at this point.
But I'm sure everything I think is crap, because you know the hidden facts somehow
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Kelly's deception is not simply a Browns "issue", it's happened with every NFL team that made a viable offer. Regardless of who blinked first, Chip Kelly's weeny turtled at the thought of coaching in the NFL. @CK
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Who the hell cares?????
Kelly ain't here, he's not in Philly (so philly must have screwed up too?) Just like last year with - Tampa? - Kelly ain't going to the nfl.
Exactly how does that mean the Browns ownership screwed up? How did philly screw up?
Look, the Browns wanted him - right up until they didn't. Who the hell cares about the if's why's and how's?
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That is my feeling man.
We had a candidate. He couldn't make a decision and we made a decision that we were no longer interested.
Nothing wrong with that. If we kept on it would have been like Miami when they pulled Saban away from LSU when he wasn't 100% in to the decision.
We are looking for someone who wants to be our coach.
I am good with that. The marriage will happen in short enough time.
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All this talk about brides,alters and marriage is making me nervous.
BTW,anybody got any pictures of the bridesmaids?
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1st off let me say Chip Kelly kiss my entire..... ummmm I can't say that on here.... ENTIRE BUTT. Chip was my first choice as a new head coach (and i STILL THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST CHOICE) but if he does not want to leave the college ranks and join the NFL he should have declined all interviews. His personal decisions have turned me against him since he seems like a total jerk after all of this.
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Who the hell cares?????
Folks with an ax to grind?
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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^^ Exactly.. what bothers me the most is when the media is used as a source of "facts".
There was a privileged few that were privy to the details of these meetings, and anything else beyond that is pure conjecture and speculation.
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I just think it is not a coincidence that a few select people who haven't liked anything that Haslam has done are also the most critical of this... It just looks like somebody is pushing an agenda....
I haven't said negative things about Haslam. It's Banner I don't trust.
I think Haslam is a very motivated owner who really wants to bring a winner to Cleveland. Which is why I don't understand him making some off the wall kind of statement like this.
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Exactly how does that mean the Browns ownership screwed up? How did philly screw up?
Look, the Browns wanted him - right up until they didn't. Who the hell cares about the if's why's and how's?
You must be late to the show like usuaul.
The funny part in all of this is that I have said nothing more than "Their public statement about it was silly and doesn't look good".
Nothing more and nothing less. It was rather foolish.
When they left Zona it was clear the Kelly thing was over. It was Kelly who stood up the Browns. Not the Browns who dropped out on Kelly.
So they tried to make it sound like they were the ones who initiated this.
That's not some bias or some agenda. It's a point of fact. Kelly was no longer inerested in the Browns so the Browns left.
Haslam is supposed to be some top flight "marketing guy" and his statement looked like a rookie move. That's all.
That's not something huge that really is going to make or break our team. It's not something important like who they hire as HC. But it's a rookie move to try to CYA.
It's so funny how defensive everyone is about something like this. It was a dumb statement to make and that's all. But nobody can even own up to that. They keep acting like it was some smart move and that no error was made.
When a HC candidate stands you up and you go home......
You went home becvause he quit showing interest in you. Not the other way around. It's not that complicated.
But people will use any and every excuse in the book to try to avoid admitting it.
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Kelly ain't here, he's not in Philly (so philly must have screwed up too?) Just like last year with - Tampa? - Kelly ain't going to the nfl.
Exactly how does that mean the Browns ownership screwed up? How did philly screw up?
Look, the Browns wanted him - right up until they didn't. Who the hell cares about the if's why's and how's?
Amen bro.
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This isn't politics. Don't make it like it is.
This isn't going to affect any other HC coming to Cleveland. Nor will it affect any FA coming to Cleveland.
As "Arch" said.
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Mr. Pit;
This isn't politics. Don't make it like it is.
To some degree it is. Almost like everything a politician says around election time. Sports media hangs on every word and comment. If you don't believe me, just look at how much reporters are reaching to try to figure out what's going on and who is looking at who.
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As "Arch" said.
WHO CARES.
It's kind of funny really. If nobody cares, then why are so many seeming to protest my comments? Why is it "an axe to grind" or called "bias" if nobody really cares?
There is a famous saying from Hamlet that I think holds very true when things like this happen.... It goes like this.... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
It was Kelly who acted very unprofessionaly by not keeping his word and showing up for that second meeting with the Browns. Once Haslam and Banner boarded that plane back to cleveland, everyone knew that Kelly was no longer in the picture for the Browns HC'ing position.
On the national stage I do feel owners have to be smart and prudent with what they say and how they handle things. I have already stated that I don't think it's a huge deal but in moving forward, I would hope they choose to use a little more prudence in how they go about handling such things.
As I've said, it's not as important as who they hire for HC, or GM. It's not as important as who they draft. It doesn't hold a candle to any of those things.
But it was Haslam, not me, who commented more than once about how marketing was so very critical in the NFL in his initial presser. It was he who seemed to consider the image was so important. If that's something so high on your priority list, I think one might wish to be a little more careful in how they proceed in such instances.
That's not a conviction of anyone. Yet those who seem to think it's no big deal and who "don't care", sure seem to be making a lot out of my comments!
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Who really cares who pulled out first.....Or who said what.....All I want is to know what direction this team is heading, and we won't know that until we get our coach in.
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When they left Zona it was clear the Kelly thing was over. It was Kelly who stood up the Browns. Not the Browns who dropped out on Kelly.
So they tried to make it sound like they were the ones who initiated this.
I don't have the minute by minute timeline but I believe that when the Browns left Arizona, Kelly was on his way back to Oregon and at that point Kelly had not informed anybody what his intentions were... the Browns had made him an offer, the offer was technically still on the table, Kelly was waffling and stood them up so they rescinded the offer and said they didn't sense the full commitment from him... Still don't know exactly why that's such a big deal...
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So they tried to make it sound like they were the ones who initiated this.
That's not some bias or some agenda. It's a point of fact. Kelly was no longer inerested in the Browns so the Browns left.
It's not a point of fact Pit.. it's a point of you taking a couple events and assuming you knew what was going on.. the facts are that an offer was on the table and Kelly cancelled the interview... to the best of my knowledge Kelly had not officially declined the offer and rumors were starting to swirl that Knight and Oregon were pursuing him hard to stay even though every indication from every source before that said he was definitely leaving... as far as I know, those were the facts at the time... while neither of us know the details of any communications between the parties.. you have inferred everything else.
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Haslam is supposed to be some top flight "marketing guy" and his statement looked like a rookie move. That's all.
To whom?
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It's so funny how defensive everyone is about something like this. It was a dumb statement to make and that's all. But nobody can even own up to that. They keep acting like it was some smart move and that no error was made.
No error was made... in the minds of 99% of the people it's a non-event... Do you have anything other than your own opinion and mac's agreement that says that this was a dumb statement to make?
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I don't have the minute by minute timeline but I believe that when the Browns left Arizona, Kelly was on his way back to Oregon and at that point Kelly had not informed anybody what his intentions were...
So he didn't keep the second interview with the Browns and headed back to Arizona instead. I can see how that's not some pretty solid indication of his intent. So Haslam and Banner are left holding the bag in Zona and can't figure out that Kelly is no longer interested in the position.
And that would be a good thing how?
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the Browns had made him an offer, the offer was technically still on the table, Kelly was waffling and stood them up so they rescinded the offer and said they didn't sense the full commitment from him... Still don't know exactly why that's such a big deal...
What's so hard to understand given your own turn of events? You have a second interview over the future HC of your franchise and he stands you up and head backs to Oregon.
You can "technicaly say anything you like", but even by your own account it was Kelly who left them high and dry in Zona.
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It's not a point of fact Pit.. it's a point of you taking a couple events and assuming you knew what was going on.. the facts are that an offer was on the table and Kelly cancelled the interview... to the best of my knowledge Kelly had not officially declined the offer and rumors were starting to swirl that Knight and Oregon were pursuing him hard to stay even though every indication from every source before that said he was definitely leaving... as far as I know, those were the facts at the time... while neither of us know the details of any communications between the parties.. you have inferred everything else.
Hmmmm.... Then why didn't Haslam/Banner do a little better job.........ie...... "After our communication with Coach Kelly we felt in was in everyone's best interest that we each go our seperate ways."
Instead they made a statement that was a slam on Kelly and his commitment. Sorry but questioning someone's commitment on the national stage speaks volumes.
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To whom?
To anyone who is willing to put their homerism aside long enough to be objective about it.
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No error was made... in the minds of 99% of the people it's a non-event... Do you have anything other than your own opinion and mac's agreement that says that this was a dumb statement to make?
Anytime anything is done or said it's an "event". To basicaly say, "I'm taking my ball and going home" is a foolish response to anything. No matter what you type on this board, even you know that.
There are many ways and statements that wouldn't have questioned anyones character or good faith in the negotiating process. They chose not to take the high ground here. You know it and I know it.
Your post is hyperbole and rhetoric to somehow avoid the obvious in this situation. Like your 99% statement. We've seen on this board in many cases and in many forums how the 99% here do not represent the rest of this country.
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So he didn't keep the second interview with the Browns and headed back to Arizona instead. I can see how that's not some pretty solid indication of his intent. So Haslam and Banner are left holding the bag in Zona and can't figure out that Kelly is no longer interested in the position.
And that would be a good thing how?
what are you even saying? both parties were in AZ the whole time.
here's the timeline:
1. Haslam/Banner were in Arizona all week.
2. They interviewed Whisenhunt and Horton while waiting for the Fiesta Bowl to complete.
3. They interviewed Chip Kelly all day on Friday.
4. On Saturday, Chip interviewed with the Eagles and had a dinner reservation with the Browns. The interview with the Eagles went long and he rescheduled for Sunday morning.
5. Chip tried to push back on Sunday too and Haslam/Banner said no thanks and flew back to Cleveland.
Did they have him high on their list? yes.
Did they want him after their initial interview? likely yes.
Did they get put off by his shenanigans? obviously yes.
I don't see what they did wrong though. They said they didn't want him once he showed that he wasn't fully invested into the NFL (through MKC), which he proved by going back to Oregon even though Philly was willing to wait on him.
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Honestly, I don't think any of us know anything about what went on, the sequence of events, who said bye to whom, who made an offer and who didn't or who left who at the alter.
It's an argument about what is reported in the press... and we all know how reliable that is.
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here's the timeline:
1. Haslam/Banner were in Arizona all week.
2. They interviewed Whisenhunt and Horton while waiting for the Fiesta Bowl to complete.
3. They interviewed Chip Kelly all day on Friday.
4. On Saturday, Chip interviewed with the Eagles and had a dinner reservation with the Browns. The interview with the Eagles went long and he rescheduled for Sunday morning.
5. Chip tried to push back on Sunday too and Haslam/Banner said no thanks and flew back to Cleveland.
Did they have him high on their list? yes.
Did they want him after their initial interview? likely yes.
Did they get put off by his shenanigans? obviously yes.
I don't see what they did wrong though. They said they didn't want him once he showed that he wasn't fully invested into the NFL (through MKC), which he proved by going back to Oregon even though Philly was willing to wait on him.
I was going by DC's supposed timeline.
Wrong may be a strong word.
But let me pose a question to you......
Do you feel it's the proper and professional way of doing business to openly and publicy question someone's commitment on the national stage? Seriously?
And I would certainly like to see where you got your information about the meeting being re-scheduled for Sunday morning.
Any way one looks at it, questioning someone's commitment on the national stage is not sound business practice. There are plenty of ways to rescend an offer without casting stones at someone.
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Honestly, I don't think any of us know anything about what went on, the sequence of events, who said bye to whom, who made an offer and who didn't or who left who at the alter.
It's an argument about what is reported in the press... and we all know how reliable that is.
Once again, even though I do feel very strongly that the evidence dictates it was pretty much Kelly who initialy indicated his disinterest strictly based on his actions, not what was reported, I'll leave that part alone.
I still don't see how people can uphold this FO questioning Kelly's commitment on the national stage as a sound or smart business move.I've never tried to claim it was the end of the world or anything as some have made it out to be.
But I do stand by that.
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Do you know with 100% certainty that they didn't recind the offer after Kelly was late to the second meeting and before he flew back to Oregon, or even that they knew he was going to stay at Oregon?
As we have all seen time and time again, words spoken and words intended and words interpretted can often have many perspectives. And since none of us were there for all the events, we don't know with certainty anything.
What we do know is Kelly is not our HC and we are still searching, anything else is just speculation.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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