Quote: Do you feel it's the proper and professional way of doing business to openly and publicy question someone's commitment on the national stage? Seriously?
pretty blatant in that he was stringing them along with the Eagles and Bucs last year, no? and, they didn't say anything officially either.
You forgot the reported meeting Kelly had with the Bills Friday evening.
Point is, we don't know if any of that is accurate.. it's just what's been reported.. Take that part about kelly wanting to push back Sundays meeting. There are 4 people that know the truth.. Haslam, Banner, Kelly and Kellys agent (maybe but probably)
And it doesn't matter what any of them say to the press.
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Quote: I still don't see how people can uphold this FO questioning Kelly's commitment on the national stage as a sound or smart business move.
I've a request, Pitt.
There's just too many threads and too many posts for me to dig through it all. I believe I've seen you say you believe Kelly was on his way back to Oregon first, that the Browns are laying claim that they backed away from his first, and that the Browns are questioning his commitment publicly.
Those are some strong statements. Are there some articles out there I've missed which indicate all that, and if so, please point me in the right direction.
After things broke down, I've not spent any time on Kelly or the Browns until something more firm than the guys I'd call filler are out of the way.
As things stand now, it's my opinion that Kelly was waffling so the Browns decided they didn't feel he was ready to commit to them and walked away. If there's evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it so I can make a more informed opinion.
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There's just too many threads and too many posts for me to dig through it all. I believe I've seen you say you believe Kelly was on his way back to Oregon first, that the Browns are laying claim that they backed away from his first, and that the Browns are questioning his commitment publicly.
Those are some strong statements. Are there some articles out there I've missed which indicate all that, and if so, please point me in the right direction.
Not really Toad. I've used everyone's scenario that was thrown out there. Some say he was stil in Zona but delayed the second interview leaving Haslam and Banner kind of hanging in the wind in Zona. Some say he had already left Zona headed back to Oregon.
Either way it really has no bearing on my point at all. The fact of the matter is he didn't show as scheduled for the second interview. That's the only real point that comes into bear in regrds to what I'm speaking of.
When someone simply leaves you in Zona without keeping their scheduled interview, to me that speaks volumes.
When someone leaves you hanging 2000 miles form home, thinking they'll simply wait on you until whenever the time is conveniant for him, that shows his interest in the Browns wasn't very high on his priority list.
It's kind of a slap in the face and it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Yet somehow people think that isn't a logical conclusion.
At that juncture, once Kelly just left them swinging in the breeze that way, it was Kelly who it seemed no longer had a serious interest in the Browns.
The whole "We're no longer interested in Kelly because we question his commitment" was an obvious attempt to try to get out in front of the story for damage control.
That has been my contention all along. Not the end of the world. Although some see it as some kind of scathing critique of our FO, which it isn't. But it was an obvious gaffe on thier part. nothing more, nothing less......
Quote: After things broke down, I've not spent any time on Kelly or the Browns until something more firm than the guys I'd call filler are out of the way.
As things stand now, it's my opinion that Kelly was waffling so the Browns decided they didn't feel he was ready to commit to them and walked away. If there's evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it so I can make a more informed opinion.
Our differences aren't really that major. I think leaving you hanging in Zona that way is what I consider to be quite a bit more than simply "waffling". It was unprofessional by Kelly and put a bad public light on things. To me, by his actions, it was obvious that Kelly was more interested in his other options than keeping his commitment to the Browns.
All of the evidence points to it being Kelly who walked away from the Browns, not the other way around. To me, the Browns statement was disingenuous at best.
Secondly, no matter how you may feel about being left hanging the way Kelly did them, questioning his character and commitment in a public light is not a professional way of handling things.
As you can see, I didn't hear Philly making some statement about Kelly's commitment or any comment about how he kind of used them. Which by all accounts they ended up with the same end results as we did in the whole mess.
I have never professed it to be the end of the world. It was simply a rookie move that kind of blew up in their face. There are many ways they could have moved on without saying anything. They could have made a statement saying they decided to move on without questioning Kellys commitment in the national media.
Do I blame them for feeling that way? Certainly not. But Kelly had already decided to "move on" from his actions to that point and it was obvious. So I considered the entire thing rather foolish.
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Quote: There is no damage control. Because there has been no damage.
In that case there would have been zero need for this FO to claim they were "No longer interested because they questioned Kelly's commitment."
A professional marketing person like Haslam doesn't just make a public statement unless he feels some need to.
But I agree that we didn't miss out on anything. That's why by far the best thing they could have done was communicated their message via Kelly's agent and kept quiet in public. But for some reason they felt some need to do otherwise.....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Quote: There is no damage control. Because there has been no damage.
In that case there would have been zero need for this FO to claim they were "No longer interested because they questioned Kelly's commitment."
A professional marketing person like Haslam doesn't just make a public statement unless he feels some need to.
But I agree that we didn't miss out on anything. That's why by far the best thing they could have done was communicated their message via Kelly's agent and kept quiet in public. But for some reason they felt some need to do otherwise.....
Zero need? I beg to differ. To rob from your constant comparison sayings. This is the NFL. This is BIG Business. WE are the share holders. WE want to know. So they made the comments.
Face it. We were CORRECT. Kelly's commitment wasn't there. We sensed it and made the right move.
The immediate question in everyones mind except maybe you was "What happened"?. And we got our answer.
Would you like to compare that with an established NFL owner and team?
So what type of comment did the Eagles make about Kelly's interview and his commitment to them and their interview?
What a professional would do. None. At least not in any public way. And since you feel this FO is so good at communicating with us since "WE want to know".....
So what is happening with all of the other interviews and are they still considering any of those candidates? If so why and if not, why not?
Funny how you seem to feel they owe you some kind of explanation, yet they aren't giving you any isn't it?
Try again......
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the Eagles owners made the same amount of official comments as the Browns owners did. Zero.
however, the Lurie did make official comments about how the GM has given them better picks in recent years than anyone else (throwing Banner and Reid under the bus). is that professional in your eyes?
honestly, it doesn't matter. you are trying to create a resentment on our FO out of almost nothing. could they have handled it a little cleaner? sure. does it matter at all in any way moving forward? no.
Quote: When someone leaves you hanging 2000 miles form home, thinking they'll simply wait on you until whenever the time is conveniant for him, that shows his interest in the Browns wasn't very high on his priority list.
Or he lacks any proper manners or courtesy, or has an inflated ego and does things on his terms.
Either way, he's not coming here, he's not coming to the NFL, and I'd be surprised if many teams pay him much attention in the near future after the last 2 years.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: honestly, it doesn't matter. you are trying to create a resentment on our FO out of almost nothing. could they have handled it a little cleaner? sure. does it matter at all in any way moving forward? no.
Actually I'm not. I have said repeatidly that this isn't a huge issue. But nobody seems to wish to recognise that part of things. Not surprised there........
And yes, saying you feel someone is more qualified for the job is a little more appropriate I think.
I do think Haslam will have some growing pains as any first time owner will have. But I will be objective and call it the way I see it in both directions. I won't be such a homer that I turn a blind eye to everything as I have going into new coaching hires and setting up the FO in the past.
If you wish to, have at it. How has that worked out so far?
Am I very skeptical of Banner? Yes I am. Only time will tell on that one. But if the recsent history of our team is any indication, I think we should all be watching with a careful eye.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I'm content with Chud, but made no secret of the fact that I wanted Chip Kelly during the interview process. At least him coming to the NFL will give a chance to satisfy my ego and/or curiosity of whether or not he will have success in the NFL.
Nick Foles will be looking for work. What's everyone's take on offering players/draft picks for him? Not sure what it would take. Would we want him? Is he better than any QB we could draft? (Assuming Chud is looking for a change.)
I wanted Kelly as much as anyone. Him going to Philadelphia means one of four things or a combination of the four.
1) He is a super douche and a liar. 2) The Eagles paid him an ungodly amount of money. 3) Sanctions are coming to Oregon very soon. 4) He saw that the Cowboys hired Monte Kiffin and knew he could score in the NFL.
Quote: Nick Foles will be looking for work. What's everyone's take on offering players/draft picks for him? Not sure what it would take. Would we want him? Is he better than any QB we could draft? (Assuming Chud is looking for a change.)
I don't think he's going anywhere. Even if he doesn't start (which I think he will). You would need a decent backup because Vick is never able to play a full season.
I figured the guy was going to the Eagles to begin with. Just felt like their personnel fit him better than any other team with a vacancy at HC.
For me personally, I'm not giving it much thought. We went after him, didn't get him, refocused and got someone else.
And it never really seemed (at least on the surface) that the Eagles were so certain Kelly was coming out of Oregon. They interviewed quite a few other people, too. Now, maybe they were doing it as a sham, but why? It isn't like they had to worry about Kelly going somewhere else.
I still don't see Vick on their roster (at his current price). He has said that he won't renegotiate his contract and he is due for a $16.9 million cap hit next season.
Quote: I wanted Kelly as much as anyone. Him going to Philadelphia means one of four things or a combination of the four.
1) He is a super douche and a liar. 2) The Eagles paid him an ungodly amount of money. 3) Sanctions are coming to Oregon very soon. 4) He saw that the Cowboys hired Monte Kiffin and knew he could score in the NFL.
I'd say 1-3 on that list. If you're a Ducks fan, number 1 is bolded, underlined and punctuated with an exclamation point. What an arse. Saban in reverse.
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Quote: I wanted Kelly as much as anyone. Him going to Philadelphia means one of four things or a combination of the four.
1) He is a super douche and a liar. 2) The Eagles paid him an ungodly amount of money. 3) Sanctions are coming to Oregon very soon. 4) He saw that the Cowboys hired Monte Kiffin and knew he could score in the NFL.
I'd say 1-3 on that list. If you're a Ducks fan, number 1 is bolded, underlined and punctuated with an exclamation point. What an arse. Saban in reverse.
I'd say 1 and 2. If this is the moral character of this guy, I'm glad we didnt get him.
Quote: Nick Foles will be looking for work. What's everyone's take on offering players/draft picks for him? Not sure what it would take. Would we want him? Is he better than any QB we could draft? (Assuming Chud is looking for a change.)
I was just listening to 92.3 the Fan and the one idiot they employ called the Bull seems to think the Browns screwed up and possibly did not present themselves well at all when they were trying to get Kelly under contract...and follows it up with "we don't know, we weren't in the meeting room."
This is exactly why I think talk radio in general is still crap. The "Bull" is a Bengals fan so he can't be taken seriously anyway...the guy at the beginning of the shows screams in the microphone and it sounds like he's taking a dump. I feel bad for Dustin Fox for having to work with him.
Having said this I like the hiring of Chud. I don't believe Kelly is going to make it big in the NFL...not many college coaches do.
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Quote: and the one idiot they employ called the Bull seems to think the Browns screwed up and possibly did not present themselves well at all when they were trying to get Kelly under contract...and follows it up with "we don't know, we weren't in the meeting room."
A lot of people on here who weren't in the meeting room also assume that because he didn't come here, that we must have screwed it up...
My theory is that Eagles convinced him not to sign with the Browns and Chip probably verbally agreed with Haslam to be the next Browns coach. So, he then had to the the Browns and Oregon he was staying put... almost two weeks later the Browns have a new coach and CK is in Philly.
My first thought was why wait until the day after the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft? Who might have decided to stay at Oregon thinking Kelley would be back? It is just strange the way this whole thing played out.
Quote: gettin out cuz recruiting violations are about to hit hard!
Posters need to remember dude was out recruiting..had went to some players homes..etc..so something is going on. Plus the Bills have a new coach..Browns have a coach..so Philly was still open.
I wouldn't be comfortable if the Browns had gone back and forth with him, only to see him say he wouldn't coach in the NFL...then turn around and come back to sign.
Chip Kelly may become the next trail-blazing head coach, but I'm glad we didn't get him.
Something about the way he's conducted himself reminds me too much of Bobby Petrino...
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Quote: and the one idiot they employ called the Bull seems to think the Browns screwed up and possibly did not present themselves well at all when they were trying to get Kelly under contract...and follows it up with "we don't know, we weren't in the meeting room."
A lot of people on here who weren't in the meeting room also assume that because he didn't come here, that we must have screwed it up...
Maybe it was Kelly who screwed up in the interview room.
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