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Even if he was here. I always thought was all it would take was two 6-10 season in a row and he'd run back to the first school that'd pay him (which there will be a lot of)
Honestly he's in a "no lose situation"
Come to the NFL and prove everyone wrong, or just go back to college in 2-3 years and make a lot of money building up another program.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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i'm glad we didn't make this mistake.
I bet Oregon is getting ready to get smacked for violations. He had to get out. Will be interesting to see what happens here in the next few months....
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Personally, it sounds to me like Kelley is a flake.
No doubt about it! I never wanted him to coach here in the first place. I have no idea how the negotiations went or what was said by whom. I'm just glad he didn't end up being our HC.
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I was excited at the thought of him as our coach, but now I am glad we didnt get him (or whatever happened).
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I lost respect for Chip after all this, he could have said he was not
interested, but he went for 7 hour's in talks. but im glad! if you look at his record against top D,s he was not good.Heck he only scored 17 against OhioState.
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Personally, it sounds to me like Kelley is a flake.
No doubt about it! I never wanted him to coach here in the first place. I have no idea how the negotiations went or what was said by whom. I'm just glad he didn't end up being our HC.
well, we agree on this, that's for darn sure. Something flaky about the guy.. just a bad feeling more than anything else. I'm a fan of Chud!
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It's easy to poo-poo the guy now that he's not coming here, and personally I just figured he was scared to come to the NFL. Clearly that's not the case. I will be the first to admit that an innovative coach with an uptempo, high scoring style was/is very appealing to me.
We don't know what went on in those negotiations, and we don't know what motivated Kelly to waffle, but I will guess that Haslam didn't like what he was seeing and hearing, and pulled the plug on it. That left Kelly, Philly & the Ducks all vying for position. I have no doubt in my mind that Kelly used that situation to pull the best deal he could get. It's possible Philly initially was unwilling to meet his demands which may have resulted in Kelly's resolve to "stay" with the Ducks, but obviously Philly came back to the table. I'm really curious about the terms of the deal, as they have yet to be announced, but I'm willing to bet it was a ton of money and a whole lot of control. I don't believe this type of situation would have been in the Browns best interest in the long run.
We will have to wait and see what kind of NFL coach he turns out to be, he could be the next Belichick or he could be the next Saban. We won't know until several years down the road. Right now, I am content with Chud's hire, and believe he brings those attributes I wanted from Kelly: innovation, hard work, and an uptempo, high scoring offense.
Ultimately, I just want to win, and if we tank and Chip Kelly wins multiple Superbowls, we'll know that Philly got the better deal, but unless and until that actually happens, I'm glad we didn't hire the guy.
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It's easy to poo-poo the guy now that he's not coming here, and personally I just figured we was scared to come to the NFL. Clearly that's not the case. I will be the first to admit that an innovative coach with an uptempo, high scoring style was/is very appealing to me.
I "poo poo'd" the idea from the very beginning. I never bought into the idea of a four year NCAA HC working in the NFL. Not then and not now.
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for the record I poo-pooed him from the beginning... 
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It appears the Iggles offered him control,but it's been stated thats not the case..it's dangerous for them.Yet the guy was out recruiting.
Philly.com beatwriters are saying that he wasn't all in at Duckville either and Philly restarted talks..
Me ..a little of that but I want to see if sanctions are shot at Oregon and if so that to me is another reason why he bolted.
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All you offical (misspelling intentional )pre-negotiation Chip Kelly poo-pooer's, including the most ardent poo-pooer, PortlandDawg are officially excused from the above observations & statements.
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Pete Carrol Jr. 
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All you offical (misspelling intentional )pre-negotiation Chip Kelly poo-pooer's, including the most ardent poo-pooer, PortlandDawg are officially excused from the above observations & statements.
Thank you kind sir
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All you offical (misspelling intentional )pre-negotiation Chip Kelly poo-pooer's, including the most ardent poo-pooer, PortlandDawg are officially excused from the above observations & statements.
My Kelly poo-pooing started a couple years back with local Quack fans. I had a head start on all you guys. 
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You are indeed the head chief CK poo-pooer. Is it wrong that I secretly hope you're right? 
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Alright Port..whast the deal with Chip?
Is he going because this is what he wants or is the Oregon being hit with some sanctions?
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Alright Port..whast the deal with Chip?
Is he going because this is what he wants or is the Oregon being hit with some sanctions?
I've heard this a couple of times on here,, Not a big college game fan so I don't know why sanctions are being considered.. what did they do
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Pete Carrol Jr.
I think if a coach leaves during sanctions and doesnt feel the punishment, that the next college that hires these guys should lose scholarships and get a year bowl ban.
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Alright Port..whast the deal with Chip?
Is he going because this is what he wants or is the Oregon being hit with some sanctions?
It's weird how the local press is handling this out here. Kelly has never been a well liked guy by the press so I'm unsure why at this time they seem to be kinda hush hush. (Maybe Nike is pulling some power play until the facts come out. Just a guess.)
Basically what the local honks are saying is that whatever recruiting violations happened Kelly was well in the know. He's culpable, that is known. Of what? That's still speculation. The general thought is Oregon's program is in trouble. A fair amount actually.
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Is it wrong that I secretly hope you're right?
Nope. I hope I'm right too. I do feel strongly that I am right though. Time will tell. Either way the guy is a well documented weasel and I'm glad he's not on our sideline.
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Chip Kelly was 'too big a gamble,' Browns' Joe Banner tells SI | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_defaultHiring Oregon's Chip Kelly was too much of a gamble for the Browns, CEO Joe Banner told Sports Illustrated's Peter King. "We removed ourselves from the process," Banner said. "We really liked Chip. He's intriguing, a very different thinker, and very smart. But you could see he was uncertain what he wanted to do. He may be in Philadelphia 10 years or longer and have a terrific career. But the fact he committed to Tampa Bay last year, backed out, then seemed all year to be leaning toward going to the NFL, then being so uncertain with us, we just felt it was too big a gamble. If there was no ambivalence, we may have offered him the job.'' The Browns interviewed Kelly for seven hours in Arizona on Jan. 4 and were reportedly close to a deal at one point. But Banner and owner Jimmy Haslam left Arizona two days later, with sources close to the situation saying they walked away because they feared Kelly's heart wasn't 100% into leaving Oregon. Later that night it was announced that he was staying at the university. But the Eagles, who interviewed Kelly for nine hours in Arizona a day after the Browns did, landed Kelly last week. Both Eagles owner Jeff Lurie and Kelly said his decision came down to Oregon and the Eagles.
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Yeah..... His ego couldn't simply let him say we went through the process and decided on Chud as our best choice.
He has to sit there and question a guy's character and integrity instead.
That's what we do on a message board, but that's not how a FO spokesman should. Sad.... The first of many I'm sure.....
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I think the character and integrity of a guy who reneged on his word a day or days after visiting recruits are on display for all to say.
Regardless of whether Banner's words are truth or spin, if Chip Kelly wasn't 110% into taking the job here then it's probably best for everyone that he didn't.
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Here's the original source, to put it into perspective...sure does sound like a sore loser to me: I don't know if it's true he'd only have coached in Eugene or Philadelphia. Maybe he was turned off by Cleveland. But when the Browns felt him waffle, president Joe Banner told me, "We removed ourselves from the process. We really liked Chip. He's intriguing, a very different thinker, and very smart. But you could see he was uncertain what he wanted to do. He may be in Philadelphia 10 years or longer and have a terrific career. But the fact he committed to Tampa Bay last year, backed out, then seemed all year to be leaning toward going to the NFL, then being so uncertain with us, we just felt it was too big a gamble. If there was no ambivalence, we may have offered him the job.'' Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/new.../#ixzz2IdFCpX7t
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Yeah..... His ego couldn't simply let him say we went through the process and decided on Chud as our best choice.
He has to sit there and question a guy's character and integrity instead.
That's what we do on a message board, but that's not how a FO spokesman should. Sad.... The first of many I'm sure.....
Are you saying you don't question Kellys integrity? I sure as hell do. I question his decision making ability as well. I also question if he won't leave the NFL in a year and go back to college. Walks Tampa to the alter last year,,, changes and goes back to Oregon.. takes the Browns to the alter this year, then talks to Buffalo for a minute, then takes Philly to the alter then says, he's staying at Oregon., A week later, he's the Eagles new HC.
Hell, he may not even make it to the draft before changing his mind again. I just don't know.
I am so glad we didn't get this guy.
Having said that, Banner needs to shut up,, I think he's right in his assessment of Kelly, but he comes off whiny. Banner needs let it go,, it's yesterdays news.
The more stuff like this comes up, the less I like Banner and the more I think that he was fired but allowed to leave making it look like his decision.
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I'm kinda glad that we didn;t get him either.
After shafting Tampa Bay last year at rhe last moment, and then trying to string us along as well, I'm actually glad that we pulled out of the whole situation with him.
It's obvious that he wasn't going to be 100% committed to us, and the last thing I would want is to get a college guy who would pull a Saban on us and run back to college if things were harder than expected.
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The Browns interviewed Kelly for seven hours in Arizona on Jan. 4 and were reportedly close to a deal at one point. But Banner and owner Jimmy Haslam left Arizona two days later, with sources close to the situation saying they walked away because they feared Kelly's heart wasn't 100% into leaving Oregon.
The he went to interview with Philly and was with them for 9hrs,but was supposed to go back to see Banner/Haslam..in the same day not the next..something not right with that..as is quoted below..
Later that night it was announced that he was staying at the university. But the Eagles, who interviewed Kelly for nine hours in Arizona a day after the Browns did, landed Kelly last week. Both Eagles owner Jeff Lurie and Kelly said his decision came down to Oregon and the Eagles.
I also read where the Eagles could sense he was not all in either. but dude was out recruiting after he left them so was he all in???
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He has to sit there and question a guy's character and integrity instead.
That's what we do on a message board, but that's not how a FO spokesman should. Sad.... The first of many I'm sure.....
Where did he question his character and/or integrity? The fact that Chip Kelly was waffling like a 2 legged stool is pretty well documented.. he was in, then he was out, then he was in at Philly, then he was back in at Oregon, now he's officially in at Philly...
If anything, I think the quote says pretty much what a lot of us believed all along and it's fairly complimentary of Kelly...
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Yeah..... His ego couldn't simply let him say we went through the process and decided on Chud as our best choice.
He has to sit there and question a guy's character and integrity instead.
That's what we do on a message board, but that's not how a FO spokesman should. Sad.... The first of many I'm sure.....
Whatever Pit.
The guy was asked a question and he gave an HONEST answer. And he was dead nuts on.
Kelly can stick it. He's the exact type that will voluntarily leave a team for another HC gig in the NFL.
Haslam & Banner did exactly what they shoulda done. WALK.
The very minute I first heard it reported that he was wavering I said cut him loose. NOW.
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In other news his new OC is none other than Pat Shurmur...
how amazing is that? Spurned the Browns and fired by the Browns...unite to butt heads over attack or punt for a season
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Whatever Pit.
The guy was asked a question and he gave an HONEST answer. And he was dead nuts on.
Pit is all about honesty and integrity from the FO and being able to believe what they say so that our players and other teams respect them and want to do business with them... unless of course he wants them to spin it for the media to avoid looking bad, in that case they should just go ahead and lie.. . 
I'm of the opinion that Joe Banner could come out and read the 10 Commandments and Pit would find something wrong with it...
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Holy crap. The Eagles really went all in with Kelly. $6.25 million per year for a coach with no NFL experience?  Chip Kelly's contract with Philadelphia Eagles worth $32.5 million over five years, according to source - ESPN http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/886285...ccording-sourceThe Philadelphia Eagles made Chip Kelly one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL, giving him a five-year contract worth $32.5 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The lucrative deal, which is worth $6.5 million annually, was a crucial factor in Kelly's decision to join the Eagles after originally deciding to remain at Oregon, according to the source. The 49-year-old Kelly, who was officially introduced Thursday, became the 21st coach in Eagles history and will replace Andy Reid, who was fired on Dec. 31 after a 4-12 season. The enigmatic Kelly reportedly was close to signing with the Browns after a long interview Jan. 4. He met with the Eagles for nine hours the next day, setting up a soap-opera scenario in which the Eagles were competing with Browns CEO Joe Banner, their former president and longtime friend of owner Jeffrey Lurie, who left the organization after a falling out. But that roller coaster ended when Kelly opted to remain -- temporarily -- in Eugene, Ore. An offensive innovator, Kelly ultimately was lured away from Oregon, where he went 46-7 in four seasons and turned the program into a national powerhouse. Though Kelly has no previous NFL experience, the Eagles are banking on him to turn around a franchise that has just 12 wins in the last two years and zero playoff victories since 2008.
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how amazing is that? Spurned the Browns and fired by the Browns...unite to butt heads over attack or punt for a season
How does this work exactly?
From all accounts, Kelly is an innovative offensive mind and is expected to bring that type of thinking to the NFL.
Shurmur is as innovative as an unpainted wall. He has ruined the careers of three QBs ... or has tried very hard to do so. He likes to force square pegs into round holes.
This marriage is as bizarre as the Haslam - Banner marriage.
Very strange signing for the ol' Chipster.
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Holy crap. The Eagles really went all in with Kelly. $6.25 million per year for a coach with no NFL experience?
He'll make out like a bandit after he fails miserably in 3 years.
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Banner needs to shut up,, I think he's right in his assessment of Kelly, but he comes off whiny. Banner needs let it go,, it's yesterdays news.
Banner can shut up all he can.... This board keeps the yesterday news alive more than any one... This board should change it's colors to Green and white.. damn near every thread and forum is what the Eagles have or what they did when Heckert and Banner was there... And when Banner and Lombardi were spooning..
People are obsessed with Banner, Lombardi and Kelly... Always looking back...can never get ahead when your always looking back...If I only knew then what I know now... 
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Yeah..... His ego couldn't simply let him say we went through the process and decided on Chud as our best choice.
He has to sit there and question a guy's character and integrity instead.
C'mon Pit...you know you'd be the first person to call him a bald-faced liar if he did that.
The people that don't like Banner are going to find reasons to dislike most every move he makes...or doesn't make.
I don't happen to think that if a football executive says that he isn't sure a coach is willing to leave his school for the NFL that the executive is questioning the character or the integrity of the coach.
There isn't one single thing inflammatory about what Banner said.
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The Philadelphia Eagles made Chip Kelly one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL, giving him a five-year contract worth $32.5 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
The lucrative deal, which is worth $6.5 million annually, was a crucial factor in Kelly's decision to join the Eagles after originally deciding to remain at Oregon, according to the source.
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Everyone else under the sun said no to the Eagles, who panicked, and had no choice but to offer WAY too much to Chip Kelly.
I'm glad that the Browns weren't the organization that panicked and threw the Brinks truck at Chip Kelly.
Taking this a step further, if Kelly was staying but could have been lured to the NFL only with a huge contract, then that's exactly what he was looking for.
If he REALLY and TRULY loved being in college and felt that's where he belonged, he doesn't do an about-face and come running to the Eagles when they blow up the bank for him.
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Dang!
This thread has grown longer legs than Sade (oh, BABY!) ... imagine my surprise.
What all this angst and paw-wringing has told me is very simple: This dude wasn't the right choice for us.
Truth be told, I wanted no part of a 1st-time HC coming fresh from the college ranks, so all I could say was "whew!" when he passed on us... and (presumably) went back to Oregon.
Next, we hear that My Boy Chud is hired. Regarding him: sooner or later, it was going to happen for him. He's basically proven himself at every post he's manned, was highly regarded in The Biz, and 'paid his dues.' Given the choice between a Noob HC who's coming from the college ranks and a Noob HC who's been a career NFL guy, this one is a no-brainer for me. We already have a history of giving guys their first shots at the HC spot, and he comes no less regarded than any others we've brought in. Matter of fact (iirc), the only hire we made who had previous HC experience did no better than the rooks we'd hired. So why not here? Why not now? Why not Chud?
You know... I don't even care about all the talk that Chud might have been our 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th choice. Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. Lord knows, Brownies are overdue for a "reversal of fortune."
Along comes Norv: Masterstroke. Instant O cred, history with our new HC, fits Chud's philosophy of an aggressive, dynamic O... hand-in-glove time, folks.
That series of choices alone make me feel more confident with the way things went down. Who would we have acquired to compliment Kelly if he'd been fired? At this point, I can't even imagine what names might have come up in talks between him, Banner and Haslam. Could have been a total cluster... what with Kelly's rawness in the league.
Ray Horton: another solid pick-up. Fits the same dynamic mold that Chud was advocating on the O side of the ball. If he's half as good as advertised, he'll find a way to re-purpose most of our players in a scheme that can work, without a wholesale purge of current personnel. There's "hybrid" talk already afoot... so let's see what he can do. If he's not a total slave to a 3-4, Cleveland might be new home of The Next Big Thing on D. Dare to dream, Dawgs....
Mike Lombardi: Well, to paraphrase the old Meat Loaf love anthem: 3 out of 4 ain't bad...."
[sigh]
Lissen: If JJ can manage to hit on 3 of 4 in their first try out of the gate (either by lck, circumstance or prowess), how can we be any worse off than we've been?
I stepped back from the cliff a couple days ago, took a deep breath, and voila!... A calmer Clemmy, with a different view than I had 3 weeks ago.
Clem's bottom line: We dodged a BIGAZZ bullet, with Chip Kelly. Philly signed a pact with the next Saban, and we might end up looking sweeter in 3 years, despite Jimmy's novice status as owner, Banner's baggage, and Kelly's hype, we managed to (perhaps) stumble ourselves into a mix of guys who could actually (in my best Romeo voice) "do some things."
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Having said that, Banner needs to shut up,, I think he's right in his assessment of Kelly, but he comes off whiny. Banner needs let it go,, it's yesterdays news.
The more stuff like this comes up, the less I like Banner and the more I think that he was fired but allowed to leave making it look like his decision.
In the end Damon, you said pretty much exactly what I did!
We aren't the spokesperson in front of the media for the Cleveland Browns. Do we think it? Sure we do. As posters on a message board do we post it? Sure we do. But we aren't getting paid millions to know what to say and when to say it, or not to say it in this case.
But even we are smart enough to know it shouldn't have been displayed by Banner this way.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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