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Where did he question his character and/or integrity? The fact that Chip Kelly was waffling like a 2 legged stool is pretty well documented.. he was in, then he was out, then he was in at Philly, then he was back in at Oregon, now he's officially in at Philly...
If anything, I think the quote says pretty much what a lot of us believed all along and it's fairly complimentary of Kelly...
I don't even think you honestly believe this is a statement that should have been made by an executive representing the Cleveland Browns and I'll just leave it at that.
If it was so obvious to everyone he was waffling, then Banner had no real reason to make a public comment about it.
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Whatever Pit.
The guy was asked a question and he gave an HONEST answer. And he was dead nuts on.
Kelly can stick it. He's the exact type that will voluntarily leave a team for another HC gig in the NFL.
Obviously you would make an even worse spokesman for the team than Banner is!
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Haslam & Banner did exactly what they shoulda done. WALK.
The very minute I first heard it reported that he was wavering I said cut him loose. NOW.
I didn't say they made the wrong decision on Kelly. If you even read this board you know I never wanted him here from day 1.
Honesty is that this team decided to go in another direction in seeking a HC. The rest was needless and over the top.
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Too bad the fans and media aren't smart enough to know when to quit asking about it. When you are in the public eye and are asked questions and you don't give answers , the public and media create answers.
Well Peen, I think you know as well as I do that simply stating they decided to go in another direction with the HC'ing search would have been very adequate.
I also believe you understand it could have been handled better. That's really all I've said is that he had to go over the top with the comments and it looked petty.
But everybody is so defensive of Banner that even when he makes an obvious flub everyone wants to point the finger at the people who recogize that rather than the one who made the comment in the first place.
And you know how much that bothers me when they do that....
 
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Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. Lord knows, Brownies are overdue for a "reversal of fortune."
That about covers it Clem!
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Everyone else under the sun said no to the Eagles, who panicked, and had no choice but to offer WAY too much to Chip Kelly.
What seems to be ignored is that Kelly left them too, and went back to Duckville and started recruiting..interesting..
If he REALLY and TRULY loved being in college and felt that's where he belonged, he doesn't do an about-face and come running to the Eagles when they blow up the bank for him.
His agent was shocked that he didn't take the Browns job.
But the thing that people don't get..when he spent 7hrs with them and kept his interview with the Eagles,that lasted for 9hrs ,both organizations felt he wasn't comitted ..only problem,the Browns moved on(which they should have) the Eagles couldn't get a a coach,then they found out he wasn't commited to Oregon either..
I keep saying if we hear of some heavy sanctions against the Ducks it's a added reason he bolted.
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Haslam primarily described the coach he wanted to be someone who would stick around for at least 10 years.
Right off the bat that should have ruled out Saban and Kelly.
Chud is the perfect hire IMO. Has family nearbye, grew up in the area, former browns fan, very young. Fits the bill of a guy who might be our coach for the next 10-20 years.
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Everyone else under the sun said no to the Eagles, who panicked, and had no choice but to offer WAY too much to Chip Kelly.
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Chip Kelly's little game of playing all sides against each other and not being honest with anybody finally paid off as the Eagles bit on it... and in the process, Chip has burned some bridges and tarnished his own reputation...
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I don't even think you honestly believe this is a statement that should have been made by an executive representing the Cleveland Browns and I'll just leave it at that.
You would be wrong. I don't just make stuff up to argue and when I am playing devils advocate, I usually say so.
I have no problem with what Banner said.. people continue to ask him questions, probably people who are trying to trap him, back him into a corner, get him to admit stuff.. basically do what reporters do.
Pit you claim to hate PC answers but then the second they are honest you complain that they should have been more PC in the media... As I see it, Banner told the truth.. they passed on Chip Kelly because they didn't sense he was committed..
Time to move on... the fact that this thread is still alive means that some people are still concerned with the hows and whys of our Chip Kelly interview process... therefore reporters are going to continue to ask about it and Banner is going to continue to answer them.. I'm sure that when he gets asked why they hired Chud, the answer to that will be wrong too.. and they should have said, because we didn't get Chip Kelly.
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I think Banner could have left out the stuff about Tampa Bay last year. That was a bit much. Probably shouldn't have included that in his answer.
Otherwise, I've read worse. Not sure if it speaks to Banner's ego or not.
The more pressing issue is the personnel side.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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okay, so which team did a better job hiring their coaching staff? obviously, it's hard to tell at this point (Kelly has yet to hire a DC).
the Browns hired Chud, who had connections to Norv, which also helped him get Horton.
one of Kelly's issues was that he didn't have the NFL connections, so he might have trouble creating a staff. he said he wanted a "billion point per game" offensive co-ordinator and hired Pat Shurmur. he said he wants a DC with "shutout-ability" so who will he hire for that?
people complain about the NFL being an "old boys network" but, in this case, it appears to have helped our team.
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Pit you claim to hate PC answers but then the second they are honest you complain that they should have been more PC in the media... As I see it, Banner told the truth.. they passed on Chip Kelly because they didn't sense he was committed..
What I don't like is dishonesty and deciet. If someones job is to be PC, then by all means do so. Be as professional as possible without saying more than you need to.
Neither of us or any poster on this board get paid to run a billion dollar corporation or be the spokesman for that corporation as it pertains to the Browns.
Just so you know I do see a huge difference in the two.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one....
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I'm sure that when he gets asked why they hired Chud, the answer to that will be wrong too.. and they should have said, because we didn't get Chip Kelly.
Well when it comes to Chud, there's really no need for negative comments about his past interviews or question his commitment since he hired the guy, right?
Chud meets all the criteria they set forth for the job, all the criteria I wanted to see in a HC and I don't really see how even Banner could screw those comments up!
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Saw him interviewed on NFL Network yesterday am came away very happy we didnt get him. Just something abourt him turned me off.
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Chip Kelly was never close to joining Browns
Let me get this right, he has a 7 hour interview with haslam and Banner and sets up dinner for the following night, but was never close to becoming the Browns HC?
Do I have that right?
Then he spurns every NFL team, goes back to the Ducks, then changes his mind again.
This guy just sounds flaky to me.
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"When I met Pat, I didn't know Pat before,"
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Chip Kelly was never close to joining Browns
To be fair, it implies that he was never interested, it doesn't say the Browns weren't close to wanting a deal signed...
That said, water under the bridge, I like our staff a lot, let's get to the business of filling a few roster spots with some serious talent.
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I still do a happy dance everytime I think about the Browns dodging the Kelly bullet.
A Kelly quote from the article referring to Shurmer....
"We have a lot of similar philosophies in the passing game and the running game."
Is that the phylosophy of going pass happy when the running game is working? Or calling a 40 yard sideline pass on 4th and 1?
Good luck Philly. It'll only be three years before he slinks back to college.
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Chip Kelly was never close to joining Browns
Let me get this right, he has a 7 hour interview with haslam and Banner and sets up dinner for the following night, but was never close to becoming the Browns HC?
Do I have that right?
Then he spurns every NFL team, goes back to the Ducks, then changes his mind again.
This guy just sounds flaky to me.
Put yourself in the shoes of any man in his position. What else could he possibly say that wouldn't sound dumb?
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, but thought I could get more money out of the Eagles."
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, and I would have been just as happy over there as I am here."
"I had a tough time deciding between the Browns and the Eagles, but I sensed I could get more out of the Eagles."
His only smart answer is to profess that the team he chose was the only team for him. Anything else makes people question him further.
And I didn't like Chip Kelly from the beginning.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Chip Kelly was never close to joining Browns
Let me get this right, he has a 7 hour interview with haslam and Banner and sets up dinner for the following night, but was never close to becoming the Browns HC?
Do I have that right?
Then he spurns every NFL team, goes back to the Ducks, then changes his mind again.
This guy just sounds flaky to me.
Put yourself in the shoes of any man in his position. What else could he possibly say that wouldn't sound dumb?
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, but thought I could get more money out of the Eagles."
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, and I would have been just as happy over there as I am here."
"I had a tough time deciding between the Browns and the Eagles, but I sensed I could get more out of the Eagles."
His only smart answer is to profess that the team he chose was the only team for him. Anything else makes people question him further.
And I didn't like Chip Kelly from the beginning.
How about this: "I liked the Browns a lot and felt I could have been a good fit, but after conversations with the Eagles, I felt it was a better fit for me. So I went that direction"
A comment like that says nothing bad about the browns, doesn't throw anyone under a bus, and in all likelyhood, is the truth.
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How about the truth;
"Haslam,Banner,Lombardi,no way in hell would I want to be part of that mess"
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How about the truth;
"Haslam,Banner,Lombardi,no way in hell would I want to be part of that mess"
At this stage, I would say the Eagles are much more of a mess then we are.
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How about the truth;
"Haslam,Banner,Lombardi,no way in hell would I want to be part of that mess"
Lombardi hadn't been named at that point so that is not at all likely. And at that point, there was no bad feelings (or great feelings) about Haslam and Banner.
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How about the truth;
"Haslam,Banner,Lombardi,no way in hell would I want to be part of that mess"
At this stage, I would say the Eagles are much more of a mess then we are.
I agree with you. First time NFL HC. I mean, first time in the NFL at all. Shurmur as his OC? A QB who's seen better days, I thought they had CAP issues but I'd really have to check on that. No sir, I'd say they have more issues than us at this point.
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It would appear that coach Kelly doesn't agree with your assessment.
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Put yourself in the shoes of any man in his position. What else could he possibly say that wouldn't sound dumb?
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, but thought I could get more money out of the Eagles."
"I was very close to choosing the Browns, and I would have been just as happy over there as I am here."
"I had a tough time deciding between the Browns and the Eagles, but I sensed I could get more out of the Eagles."
His only smart answer is to profess that the team he chose was the only team for him. Anything else makes people question him further.
And I didn't like Chip Kelly from the beginning.
"The Browns finally realized I had my own personal doubts about whether an offensive philosophy of a boatload of smurfs and a qb annihilator machine would work in the NFL, so I decided to return to my old job. The Eagles however, are in such a state of desperation and disarray they still threw a truckload of cash at me.... and I chose the greenbacks."
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