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Tom Coughlin is currently the oldest coach in the league. He is 66 (or five years older than Arians). Having Arians around for ten years would make him the second oldest coach in NFL history. Whether you want to admit it or not, age is a huge factor in the hiring of our next coach. If we were a veteran team I would say he was an option, we are not a veteran team. With that said, Trestman (or any other candidate) being younger than Arians makes a difference. How big? We don't know. Quote:
Gawd .... a freakin' CFL coach. Of all the things that could only make us a bigger laughing stock ......... I can't think of too many bigger than that one.
I knew this was going to come up sooner or later. Who cares where the coach comes from? I don't care if we hire a Pop Warner coach if we win.
If Marc Trestman is the best man for the job I hope Haslam and Banner wouldn't hold his very successful stint in the CFL against him.
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I heard Cowher has a house in Cleveland... just saying....
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To both you and DC.
I have no issue if they go the route of Ariens. Considering some of the potential candidates for the position, I really don't question his experience in regards to making him worthy of getting a shot at being an NFL HC either.
I'm also not saying younger is better. With a very young team, I'm not really so sure it isn't the other way around. I just felt the comments made seemed to indicate that in the end, they might go more in the direction of youth.
It could go either way and I'm not a staunch supporter of either direction. I'm going with who the guy is far more than his age.
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Gawd .... a freakin' CFL coach. Of all the things that could only make us a bigger laughing stock ......... I can't think of too many bigger than that one. 
Not for nothing, but he does have 2 Grey Cup championships (2009 and 2010) and was the CFL Coach of the Year in 2009.
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Tom Coughlin is currently the oldest coach in the league. He is 66 (or five years older than Arians). Having Arians around for ten years would make him the second oldest coach in NFL history. Whether you want to admit it or not, age is a huge factor in the hiring of our next coach. If we were a veteran team I would say he was an option, we are not a veteran team.
After thinking it over, I'm not so sure. Let's look at Pitt. again shall we????
Cowher left and one of his assistants took over. It could very well be that Ariens could come in and be the HC for 5-8 years and his OC could be elevated to the HC position.
You would keep the sense of continuity and work within the same system. No rebuild or retooling needed. Not saying that's how it will go but it's as plausable as anything else I've seen bantered about.
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Tom Coughlin is currently the oldest coach in the league. He is 66 (or five years older than Arians).
Oldest HC, Dick Lebeau is 75
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Cowher left and they hired from outside the organization, Tomlin was the Vikings DC before he became the Steelers head coach.
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Unfortunately, outside of the CFL, Marc Trestman sucks as a coach. He has been bounced more than a basketball. He has no long term tenure with any NFL team. I think that the longest any team has kept him is 3 years. Many times it was only 1 year.
Bleh. I hated him when he was our OC back in the Kosar days. I watched how we declined from the Lindy Infante offense to the Marc Trestman offensive offense.
In 1986, under Infante, Kosar threw for 17 TD and 10 INT. In 1987, also under Infante, Kosat threw 22 TD and 9 INT.
Then ..... along came Marc ......... and in 1988, we went through 3 QBs, and had 17 TD passes to 19 INT. In 1989, Kosar threw 18 TD and 14 INT. Mike Pagel also threw 14 passes with 1 TD and 1 INT.
We scored 390 and 391 points in 1986/1987. In 1988/1989, we dropped to 304/334. Yeah, we kept Trestman after Marty was forced out, because Kosar liked him.
Bleh. He might be a great CFL coach ..... but I want no part of him here in this thing we call the NFL.
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Gawd .... a freakin' CFL coach. Of all the things that could only make us a bigger laughing stock ......... I can't think of too many bigger than that one.
Not for nothing, but he does have 2 Grey Cup championships (2009 and 2010) and was the CFL Coach of the Year in 2009.
And once in a great while a QB shows up from the CFL to become the next Warren Moon ......
OK ... maybe not ......
Anyway ..... I put the CFL somewhere below the level of division 1AA football. (or whatever they call that division these days)
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Cowher left and one of his assistants took over
Tomlin had no ties to Pittsburgh and was interviewed to fulfill the Rooney Rule.
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I am not endorsing Trestman as our head coach, I am saying that the fact that he is a head coach in the CFL should not be held against him.
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I've interviewed and hired a lot of people...
Did you ever interview anyone for a high profile position that could pay anywhere from a 1/2 a million to 5 million a year.
The air up there is pretty thin,, so are the pickins. Add in the public relations nightmare it creates if you make a mistake and now we're talking serious stuff.
You go out and hire a 80k engineer, it's serious business, don't get me wrong, but work still gets done by some other engineer. For every 1000 software engineers out there, there is probably a 1/2 a HC candidate available. Odds make things rougher than hell.
It's really no wonder why so many fail at it.
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Tomlin had no ties to Pittsburgh and was interviewed to fulfill the Rooney Rule.
You are correct about him being outside of the organization.
However, since he is now their HC I think his interview was a little more of a substantial thing than simply to fullfill the Rooney rule, wouldn't you say?
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I am not endorsing Trestman as our head coach, I am saying that the fact that he is a head coach in the CFL should not be held against him.
The fact that the CFL is really about the only place he has had great success is a concern.
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Nope. When Tomlin was interviewed it was pretty much known around the league that the Steelers would be hiring Ken Whisenhunt to replace Cowher. Tomlin came in, killed it, and they hired him instead.
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Sort of like it was known we were going to hire Chip Kelly? 
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You said, "Gawd .... a freakin' CFL coach. Of all the things that could only make us a bigger laughing stock ......... I can't think of too many bigger than that one."
That has nothing to do with Trestman's credentials, but is a shot at the CFL. I am saying that the fact that he is a head coach in the CFL should not hurt his candidacy. Not that he is a good coach.
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And there was a current assistant who was going to replace Noll when Cower was hired.
The Steelers always seem to hire from outside. I think that they keep enough other people to maintain consistency, and they then add a head coach from outside just to bring in some fresh ideas.
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Interview Brian Schottenheimer! They should have hired him when they hired Mangini, They should have hired him when they hired Pat Schurmur. At least seek him out. At least interview Brian Schottenheimer. He's the Rams offensive coordinator, apparently, at this point. He must have been around the NFL for half a lifetime by now. Schottenheimer, Whisenhunt, other. IT's NOT rocket science, or brain surgery.  Bruce Arians? I don't want someone who's going to be worse than Schurmur, and or as bad as Mangini. Hmm, I don't know about him. It is Not Too Late to NOT make the WRONG choice. Hmm.
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I love how you spell Schottenheimer right and Shurmur wrong.
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Why not Jim Tressel ?
We would win more games, but pull our hair out as they do, but I like him as our next HC. Anyone?
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well I am with ya Ytown. I am not really dead set on anyone in particular, but I would probably lose all remaining faith in this FO if they hire Trestman.
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Two articles that caught my eye. One on how hiring your first choice is not always good: Quote:
The Cleveland Browns' search for a head coach is a mess. So is the Philadelphia Eagles'.
Both teams swung hard and fast at Chip Kelly, putting a full-court press on the Oregon coach over the weekend. By Friday afternoon and into Saturday, Kelly was telling those close to him (and the Cleveland brass) that he was nearing a decision, and that he wanted to coach the Browns. On Sunday, he turned his attention to the Eagles.
By late Sunday, the Browns and Eagles were setting their sights elsewhere, because Kelly decided to stay at Oregon.
Meanwhile, the search conducted by the previously woeful Kansas City Chiefs could not have gone closer to their plan. They targeted Andy Reid and never let him escape, handing him full power and escorting former general manager Scott Pioli out the door. And the Buffalo Bills pulled the ultimate okey-doke, convincing former Syracuse coach Doug Marrone -- whom the Browns had privately viewed as one of their top choices -- to sign on the dotted line.
Doom in Cleveland. Not so sunny in Philadelphia. Hope in Kansas City. Bright lights in Buffalo.
Right?
The truth is, no one knows. I don't. You don't. No one does.
Does conducting a smooth head-coaching search make a team a winner? Does a long, ugly, trying, exasperating search lead to years and years of losses upon losses?
History shows that the actual process of finding a head coach -- whether a team hires its top candidate or its sixth choice -- doesn't have much bearing on future success. It's not a predictor.
One of the ugliest and most drawn-out searches in recent years landed Bill Belichick with the New England Patriots in 2000. That turned out OK. The University of Alabama spent 38 days searching for a coach to replace Mike Shula after the 2006 season, whiffing on Rich Rodriguez along the way. The Crimson Tide ended up with Nick Saban, and that turned out OK, too. It's also safe to say that USC was eventually pleased with its fourth or fifth choice in 2001: Pete Carroll.
Meanwhile, the Washington Redskins were more than thrilled in 2002 after taking just one day to fire Marty Schottenheimer and hire Steve Spurrier. We know how that disappointment turned out.
On the other hand, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers didn't hire Jon Gruden until Feb. 18, 2002 after a legal battle, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl the following season. Oh, and the Pittsburgh Steelers waited until Jan. 23, 2007 to hire Mike Tomlin after an interview that some dismissed as merely fulfilling the new Rooney Rule requirement. Tomlin was soon coaching in the Super Bowl.
The moral? No one knows.
They say the world hates to see the sausage being made. Yet with Twitter, the 24-hour news cycle and the unprecedented intensity of the reporting being done, we see it all. Teams swing and miss, and we take note. A lunch meeting turns into a nine-hour marathon session, and we live-tweet what the participants ate. We report along with the process, and the story can often shift. We note when a team requests an interview with a candidate, when it actually happens and what happens next.
We live these coaching searches. So do fans. But in the end, no one knows what fits and what doesn't.
All the firings in the NFL could be a waste of time if teams don't learn the right lessons, Michael Lombardi writes. More ...
Would Kelly have been the next Spurrier? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Have the Bills vastly overestimated Marrone, or have we underestimated him because he restored Syracuse to respectability rather than dominating at Texas or Penn State?
Reid recently suffered through a miserable two years with the Eagles, while Chiefs fans battled through two brutal years themselves. And yet, all Kansas City did was hand Reid full control, offering him the chance to recreate his winning history. Will Reid succeed, or will we see a replay of the end of his tenure in Philly?
There's the rub. What fits for one doesn't fit for another. A prime candidate can exist only in the eye of the beholder. Does the search reflect the quality of the candidate?
I'm not sure. Neither are you. We won't find out until next September, and then the next September after that.
There's only one thing to do until these coaching searches are over: Breathe and wait.
And the other, Mary Kay Cabot saying we might go after Gruden:
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That would make folks get over Kelly pretty quickly, no?
Gruden, 49, is a native of Sandusky, Ohio, and played quarterback at the University of Dayton. He also has ties to Browns owner Jimmy Haslam from his time as a graduate assistant at Tennessee in 1985-86. His wife, Cindy, is a former University of Tennessee cheerleader.
Earlier this season, Haslam denied a report by WREG-TV in Memphis, Tenn., that he offered Gruden a stake in the Browns if he'd coach the Volunteers.
If Haslam decides to go after Gruden, he would have to lure him out of his comfortable seat in ESPN's Monday Night Football booth and as an ESPN analyst. Gruden signed a five-year extension with ESPN in September and has said he loves his job. Friends say he'll only leave the booth for the ideal situation.
Gruden, who is 100-85 overall (5-4 in playoffs) in 11 seasons as a head coach, was fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2008 season following seven years with the team. He went 57-55 with the Bucs in the regular season, and 3-2 in the playoffs, including a defeat over the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII after the 2002 season.
Gruden also coached the Raiders for four seasons, going 38-26, including 2-2 in the playoffs.
The Browns are also expected to interview Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman and Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo.com. Arians was released from the hospital today and will begin interviewing for head coach vacancies this week, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The Eagles and Bears will also interview him.
If the Browns don't interview Gruden, it probably won't be for a lack of asking.
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Why not Jim Tressel ?
We would win more games, but pull our hair out as they do, but I like him as our next HC. Anyone?
I love OSU as much as anyone, but I do not see Tress succeeding in the NFL. I think Chip Kelly is more suited for the NFL.
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Oh dear God ..... are they determined to pursue every coach I want nothing to do with??? No Gruden .... please ...... He would trade away all of our young guys for over the hill "veterans" who he could more easily "coach up". We'd be in even worse shape than we were under Mangini as far as age ...... worse because right now we actually have quality young players. We also would run the WCO .... which under its current form should be in a museum somewhere ... beside the model T, and the first room sized computer. Please Lord, let me get through this coaching search without bursting a blood vessel in my brain, or anywhere else for that matter.  His Raider team was made up of tons of 29-33 year old players, with a 36 year old QB. He then went to the Bucs, and again had an offense made up primarily of guys a couple years from retirement. I have seen no evidence that he can develop a young QB .... or really any young players. Bleh!
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If that is true, then he probably won't be hired... Banner has repeatedly said he is only interested in sustainable success and not flash in the pan success. That is exactly the kind of thing he is talking about.
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It just kills me when I read some of these names. It gives me a worse case of convulsive projective vomiting than when we announced that we hired Shurmur.
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Marc freaking Trestman is right up there with Doug freaking Marrone and Pat freaking Shurmur.
#1 Bruce Arians (much like Weeden his age is getting blown WAY out of proportion, they can both last 8-10 more years here which would be more stability than 90% of all NFL teams and more than the Browns have had since....the 60s?)
#2 Kyle Shanahan (I don't think think he'll leave his dad, but I love his ability to mold an offense to the players instead of the other way around)
#3 Ken Whisenhunt (proven offensive-minded HC albeit with some warts/question marks)
sleepers :
Mike McCoy OC for #2 offense in Denver
Tom Clements OC for #4 offense in GB
Darrell Bevell OC for #8 offense in Seattle
Rick Dennison OC for #9 offense in Houston
Greg Roman OC for #11 offense in San Fran
Gus Bradley DC for #1 defense in Seattle
LONG shots :
Vic Fangio DC for #2 defense in San Fran
Mike Nolan DC for #5 defense in Atlanta
Kevin Coyle DC for #7 defense in Miami
Mike Zimmer DC for #8 defense in Cincinnati
Dom Capers DC for #10 defense in GB
Beyond that, I'll repeat, might as well go with Frosty the Snowman.
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I agree. Arians at 61 isn't that darn old. He could go 10 years.
Who was the last head coach of the Browns to coach 10 years??
Paul Brown? Did Marty make it 10 years?
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Let's get off this plan A,B...E...the plan is to interview candidates and select the one best suited to the job. If a guy like Kelly or anybody else doesn't want the position, then it's meant to be. He isn't the best suited. It isn't a failure of Haslam or Banner.
I understand they could come and ask YOU and it would be a no brainer, but they haven't, and probably won't.
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I love how you spell Schottenheimer right and Shurmur wrong.
Actually, everytime I've spelled Shurmur wrong, I was about to go with Shurmur and remember I spell it wrong and think I'm forgetting the C. Both this time, and the last time someone made a note of it, many weeks ago.
Senator Chuck Schurmur must be the reason, he has me all screwed up, I think his name is spelled with the C.
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The Browns MIGHT interview Gruden? Some deep analysis from Mary Kay for sure. Outside of Terry Pluto every Browns beat writer is a joke.
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The general consensus seems to feel that the next HC have NFL experience..
ie, Palmer Davis,Robiskie,RAC,Mangini,Shurmur.. Not much to say with the ending results from them
Most want to stay away from an older HC, Thinking get a young guy in here that would be here for 10 yrs...
Maybe an older guy who can come in here for say 2-3 yrs till the next Bill B or Bill C comes available. We had Bill B here as HC and no-one liked him,,, and at one point the Steeler fans wanted Bill C out of Pittsburgh in a bad way...
What scares me is we had that young guy who had NFL exp and could have grown with the team in Shurmur, I wasn't much impressed, but could have given him another year. Seriously, who's out there that will be any better right off, seems we're just in a mess trying to find someone
Now we want another young guy, Will we get the guy who turns this team around and gets us 10 wins next season ? I don't care what any one says on here, if the guy don't get us to the play-offs he's crap..that's all you will hear and the bitchin and complaining will start all over, hell it hasn't stopped yet.
Everyone has their opinions on who will or won't be a good fit here, Enjoyable to read. Who ever they bring in better win and win big and now. I plan on using my Sundays for fishing with the kids and grand kids, Life is passing me by faster than I want it to. And waiting for the Messiah to show up in Cleveland is getting old.
Good luck searching, hope this org finds the right guy. GO IRISH !
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I am not endorsing Trestman as our head coach, I am saying that the fact that he is a head coach in the CFL should not be held against him.
The fact that the CFL is really about the only place he has had great success is a concern.
Damn Ytown, you make the guy sound like a complete loser.. and it's just not true at all..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Trestman
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1) You rely way too much on statistics to paint pictures that are often misleading.
2) Your statistics here aren't even contextually correct.
Trestman actually raised our PPG as OC.
The season before Trestman became OC, Marty called the plays, and we put up 304 (20th of 28). Trestman took over as OC the following year, when Marty was fired after refusing to relinquish offensive playcalling duties, and we went up to 334 (14th of 28). After Trestman left, we dropped to 228 (27th of 28).
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I am not endorsing Trestman as our head coach, I am saying that the fact that he is a head coach in the CFL should not be held against him.
The fact that the CFL is really about the only place he has had great success is a concern.
Damn Ytown, you make the guy sound like a complete loser.. and it's just not true at all..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Trestman
Agreed, reading his bio his credentials speak for themselves, everywhere he has gone QB play and offensive output have improved.
He is catching a ton of crap due to his time in the CFL and on the surface that is understandable, who hires an NFL head coach out of the CFL? But after you actually do some digging you see Trestman has a pretty impressive resume as far as getting the most out of his quarterbacks, I don't think it's a coincidence so many guys have taken a big step forward under his tutelage.
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As I said earlier, if Arians was was our head coach for ten years he would be the 71 years old and the second oldest head coach of all time (Levy and Halas were 72). Coughlin is 66 and is the oldest coach in the league right now.
Arians would have to be much better than any other option for me to consider him a viable candidate as our head coach. Luckily for the Arians backers I am not involved in the interview process (there's shocker).
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Mary Kay proven wrong once again... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/source-jon-gruden-isnt-on-clevelands-radar-screen/Source: Jon Gruden isn’t on Cleveland’s radar screen Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2013, 6:40 PM EST Chip Kelly won’t be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns, and Jon Gruden won’t be, either. Contrary to a report from the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the Browns “might” pursue Gruden, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells PFT that Gruden isn’t, and won’t be, on the Browns’ radar screen. Per the source, the Browns also have no interest in making a “splash” with their hire. The goal was and is laying the foundation for a consistently successful and competitive football operation. The latest Gruden rumor comes several weeks after his name was circulated both for jobs at the University of Tennessee and with the Oakland Raiders. It appears that the latest leaked item could be aimed at generating interest in Cleveland or elsewhere at a time when Gruden apparently is ready to consider returning to the game — but no one seems to be banging on his door.
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Does anyone know why Arians was hospitalized or why doctors wouldn't let him coach on Sunday?
That may have something to do with worrying about the health of a 61 year old. I mean he just missed the teams most important game with a health issue.
And as far as head coaches I'd like to see someone with a offense bent who is considered to be an innovator. I'd like to see someone who could better utilize our current QB.
And someone who wants to further develop the 4-3 and draft a defender at #6.
Is that McCoy or Shanahan or someone else? Don't know.
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Trestman has already worked with Weeden. I think this is a sign that he will be our QB next year, that he has the full support of Banner and Hasslam.
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