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Trestman has already worked with Weeden. I think this is a sign that he will be our QB next year, that he has the full support of Banner and Hasslam.
I don't think that has anything to do with us interviewing him. If Weeden had their full support they would say it. They have said the new head coach will decide on the new quarterback.
Trestman's connection to Weeden is this; Weeden's agency gave Trestman money to train Weeden during the off-season. That's it. Trestman might even think Weeden is not good from the time they spent together.
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FWIW - I heard he was hospitalized with the flu. When they say he would be released Sunday was that yesterday? No doctor will predict an exact discharge date that far away.
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Does anyone know why Arians was hospitalized or why doctors wouldn't let him coach on Sunday?
That may have something to do with worrying about the health of a 61 year old. I mean he just missed the teams most important game with a health issue.
And as far as head coaches I'd like to see someone with a offense bent who is considered to be an innovator. I'd like to see someone who could better utilize our current QB.
And someone who wants to further develop the 4-3 and draft a defender at #6.
Is that McCoy or Shanahan or someone else? Don't know.
Nobody is talking about the details, The Colts players themselves indicted they weren't told much (the story is on the front page of NFL.com)
He's 61.. I'll be 61 next month,, I fully intend to work for another 6 to 10 years.. I draw the line at 71.
I've had health issues, but I work at staying healthy and I think I could physically do it for 6 to 10 years. (mentally, I don't know, but physically I think so) I'd have no problem with Ariens
Trestman interests me as well. Young, lots and lots of success with QB's, He's a Leader type which was a criteria that Haslam mentioned first and foremost in the presser announcing the firing of Heckert and Shurmur.
He's got Cred in Cleveland, he's got cred in the NFL and CFL, he's by all accounts a good, smart man.
despite some reservations that some have due to hisCFL experience I think he's a real possible fit.
Credential wise,,Yes, personality wise,, I have no idea.. that's for Haslam and Banner to decide...
Just for the hell of it, I'd talk to Martys son Brian... and I might want to talk with Ernie Arcorsi for some insight on Trestman and maybe thoughts on anyone else that's out there.
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I've had health issues, but I work at staying healthy and I think I could physically do it for 6 to 10 years. (mentally, I don't know, but physically I think so) I'd have no problem with AriensI don't know about the physical part, but the mental part I would say, no way. 
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Lol, good one
I know, complete bs, Just like the reports of Weeden being one and done because of comments Lombardi made. I have spent the last few days sitting back and laughing at all the dumbass comments and justifications for everything that Hasslam and Banner are doing, when in fact, we have no freakin' clue what they are even thinking!
I enjoy all the speculation but two things I will not get sucked into doing is get pissed at the owner for something he might be thinking of doing and predicting the future our current QB.
People on here are saying the reason Heckert lost his job is because we drafted Weeds. Comments made by Lombardi lead directly to this fact, at least to some. I want to mention that as of now Lombardi has no official role with this team, the coaches he has ties with will not be here next year.
I will say that I am backing Weeds, hoping he is our QB next year. It's not because I supported drafting him (I thought the pick was a waste) but because I think throwing him aside so quickly is stupid. He was not a bad QB this year, even if he was he was just a rookie. I didn't see the growth I wished I would see but I'm not sure it was all on him. I am hoping whoever the coach that comes here can see what Weeds brings to the table and is able to build around that. I think that guy could be Arians. He's old, I know, I just don't care. Arians has been able to put out some fairly successful offenses without having to reinvent the wheel. That's what I want to see done here. He thinks we have what we need to be a winning team now, so he is the route I want to go in. He was able to turn around a woeful Indianapolis team in one season and I really think he can do the same thing here, especially since we have some very good pieces in place.
Kelley was offering something all shiny and new but it was something that would have taken years for us to get to. I'm done with waiting years. I want it now.
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Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians was released from a Baltimore hospital on Monday, NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Monday. He is on his way back to Indianapolis. Arians missed Sunday's playoff loss to the Baltimore Ravens because of an undisclosed illness. Quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen called the plays in Arians' absence. A team spokesman says all the tests on Arians came back negative, and doctors wanted him to stay until his blood pressure stabilized. Players say they were told the same thing during their final team meeting of the season Monday morning. Arians became the Colts' interim coach when coach Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia in late September. Arians went 9-3 in 12 games. Indy has already given Arians permission to interview for head-coaching jobs with the Chicago Bears and Philadelphia Eagles. Rapoport has learned that the Cleveland Browns have put in a request as well, and the interview could take place this week. The Associated Press contributed to this report. NFL.com source
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He's got Cred in Cleveland, he's got cred in the NFL and CFL, he's by all accounts a good, smart man.
despite some reservations that some have due to hisCFL experience I think he's a real possible fit.
I can't speak for others, but it isn't so much the whole CFL thing. It is rather that no one from the NFL has threw this guy a bone since 2004. The list of QB's he has trained for the draft aren't really blowing it up either. I dunno just not feeling it from this guy.
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I personally think the age thing is being over played a bit. I mean if a qualified candidate has the extreme desire to lead the Browns and has great passion, we're not going to take him because he is too old? While not a head coach Dick Lebeau is 75 years old. 
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Pete Carroll is 61. Doesn't seem to bother anybody.
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At the same time- Pete Carroll is a young, energetic 61. I don't see that with Arians.
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FWIW - I heard he was hospitalized with the flu. When they say he would be released Sunday was that yesterday? No doctor will predict an exact discharge date that far away.
It was high blood pressure.
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Brad Seely.
St's were on fire while the rest of the team was DOA most weeks.
He can light a fire under players and we witnessed it.
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So here's a thought:
I think quote from Saban was to go ahead with your search or something like dont wait on me. Now with Bama rolling by 21 points in the first qtr and must likely will roll on, get it, over Notre Dame. Does winning 3 Championships in 4 years change anything? There is little else Saban could prove. Basically I'm asking if Bama wins is there any chance Saban changes his mind?
I could see the pitch being you got a statute in front of Alabama how would you like one in Cleveland?
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I'm saying Jimmy goes strong with money and a partial stake in the team.
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I think Mary Kay might want to get some new sources.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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While you spend your time and minimal brain power typing on a message board,an NFL HC is spending 16-18 hrs a day in his job for months on end.
But your both 61.
Trestman isn't young,he's a few years younger than you and Arians,but for a 1st HC in the NFL he's not young.
How in the hell do you know he's a leader?A few days ago you had no idea who he was.
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So here's a thought:
I think quote from Saban was to go ahead with your search or something like dont wait on me. Now with Bama rolling by 21 points in the first qtr and must likely will roll on, get it, over Notre Dame. Does winning 3 Championships in 4 years change anything? There is little else Saban could prove. Basically I'm asking if Bama wins is there any chance Saban changes his mind?
I could see the pitch being you got a statute in front of Alabama how would you like one in Cleveland?
or Haslam paid Chip to be the decoy to placate fans while he waited on Saban 
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the only question remaining is if Saban openly "interviews" for the Browns job down the stretch of this supposed game.
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That would be funny if the whole Chip Kelley ordeal was a smoke screen by J&J to keep the press away from Saban ( and the fans placated) until after tonights game. I mean after the initial Saban rumors the press would be beating down his door if it looked like we where just waiting for Tuesday. Don't think it's true but it would be funny anyway.
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The way this game is going, we might see Haslam interviewing him on the sideline in the 3rd quarter.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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The way this game is going, we might see Haslam interviewing him on the sideline in the 3rd quarter.
sweet teas all around 
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The way this game is going, we might see Haslam interviewing him on the sideline in the 3rd quarter.
sweet teas all around
Can we interview the refs of this game for HC?
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gotta do something to pass the time in this game 
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The way this game is going, we might see Haslam interviewing him on the sideline in the 3rd quarter.
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How come that jerk les miles is never brought up in these discussions? Guy can call a good game and he's from elyria or something like that.
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He can call a good game? I thought he was known for making off the wall decisions.
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Occasionally he has clock management issues for sure, but he is also creative with his play calling and catching teams off guard. There was a running play Notre dame called today where they shifted two guys right where the run was supposed to go. It was so obvious and the outcome predictable. See that stuff way too much.
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Occasionally he has clock management issues for sure, but he is also creative with his play calling and catching teams off guard. There was a running play Notre dame called today where they shifted two guys right where the run was supposed to go. It was so obvious and the outcome predictable. See that stuff way too much.
When did pat become the play caller for ND?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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How come that jerk les miles is never brought up in these discussions? Guy can call a good game and he's from elyria or something like that.
Braylon warned him about being a UM guy in Ohio 
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Gawd .... a freakin' CFL coach. Of all the things that could only make us a bigger laughing stock ......... I can't think of too many bigger than that one.
Not for nothing, but Trestman has a pretty solid pro resume... and most of it was forged in the NFL.
The fact that he HC'd in the CFL really doesn't matter to me at all. IMHO, he should have been offered an NFL HC job years ago.
He's young-ish, Offense-savvy, and has a great reputation for grooming QB's. Here's my thinking: So what if others think Cleveland is a "laughingstock?" How much more can they laugh than over the past 12 years?
On top of that, he now has HC experience... which means that his learning curve is decidedly less steep than it would be for a coordinator or college coach.
I think he's worthy of serious consideration.
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IIRC, Trestman was QB coach in his 1st season with the Browns. He then got the OC title in year 2 under Carson. We were well below the scoring output of the prior years under Infante. With Marty, or whomever, calling the plays, we scored 304. With Trestman, we went to 334. Wow. Impressive.
Just because we continued to drop doesn't mean that Trestman was, in any way, effective here.
2 years with the Vikings
1 with the Bucs
2 with us
2 with the Vikings
3 years out of football
2 with the 49'ers
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He continued with this same pattern. He has never had a signature, long term tenure with anyone ..... until he went to Canada. His longest tenure with any team has been 2008 to present with the CFL team. They can keep him. I want no part of him.
I remember his play calling when he was here, and I was considerably unimpressed.
When Marty said that play calling was under rated, I swear that he was talking about Trestman. The 2nd year, when Trestman became the OC, proved Marty right.
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I remember his play calling when he was here, and I was considerably unimpressed.
I know it's all you have to go off of, but judging a coach on what they did 23 years ago is not fair. Something tells me Trestman has probably evolved a little bit since his time with us.
I'm sure we can find some things that Arians did wrong when he was the head coach of Temple from 1983 to 1988.
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I remember his play calling when he was here, and I was considerably unimpressed.
I know it's all you have to go off of, but judging a coach on what they did 23 years ago is not fair. Something tells me Trestman has probably evolved a little bit since his time with us.
I'm sure we can find some things that Arians did wrong when he was the head coach of Temple from 1983 to 1988.
My problem with him is that he has never has anything resembling a sustained pattern of success in the NFL. Ever. He was a year or 2 here ... move on for a year there .... then a couple there .... a year over there .... 2 there ..... take 3 off because you can't find a job ....... come back and work a couple there .......
He has never had that signature tenure that makes anyone say "Wow! He knows what he's doing!". His biggest success has been in the CFL. Now the CFL can be enjoyable for some people ..... but it;s nowhere near on the same level as the NFL. I think I'd rather have Chip Kelly, as a successful college coach, than a guy like Trestman who has never done much in the NFL, and has success pretty much exclusively in the CFL.
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I have to disagree with you on this one buddy. Most Browns fans were glad when we canned him the last time he was here, and for all the talk people did about Chip Kelly getting our QB's injured I can't believe nobody else has brought up Bruce's record with the QB's who have run his offense (He gets his QB beat around like red headed step children) Here is a list of the QB sacks his offenses have given up.
Cleveland 2001 51 sacks
Cleveland 2002 35 sacks
Cleveland 2003 40 sacks
Pittsburgh 2007 47 sacks
Pittsburgh 2008 49 sacks
Pittsburgh 2009 50 sacks
Pittsburgh 2010 43 sacks
Pittsburgh 2011 42 sacks
Indy 2012 41 sacks
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I've had health issues, but I work at staying healthy and I think I could physically do it for 6 to 10 years. (mentally, I don't know, but physically I think so) I'd have no problem with Ariens
I don't know about the physical part, but the mental part I would say, no way.
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