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He then took 3 years off .... because no one would hire him. he wasn't very good, and had developed a reputation for undeserved ego, IIRC.
You don't know that.. It's your opinion and that's fine but to use it as an argument to NOT hire a guy seems rather silly.
Especially in light of other FACTS that are verifiable.
The other day, you were beating on him because his success was in the CFL... Well, his success is also in the NFL.
Let's jump back to the ego for a second. I've never ever in my life talked to the man. I've never met him. maybe his ego is huge, for all I know he's an obnoxious butt. He might be..
All I have to go on is his history and his history tells me there is more than an even chance he'd be successful in Cleveland.
Having said that, my hope is we land Bruce Arians..
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Well, it doesn't have to be Arians. There must be some good young offensive minds out there looking to make their next move up the ladder. Or the Norv Turners of the world would be available. Its a much easier position to fill than the HC job.
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He then came back to a powerhouse in San Francisco. He was there for the 1995 and 1996 seasons. The 49'ers won the Super Bowl in 1993. The did again in 1994. In 1995, Steve Young had a 20 TD/11 INT season in 1995, and they lost in the first round of the playoffs.In 1996, Niner QBs threw 24 TD and 16 INT. They won one playoff game that season. They did score points ....... but I think that was more the talent they had than any miraculous coaching job by Trestman.
The 49ers didn't win the Super Bowl in the '93 season, and Steve Young missed 9 games in the '95 and '96 seasons.
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Also, if we really wanted Arians to run the offense, you could fudge it by calling him Assistant HC and OC.
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Part of the interview process with McCoy would be to figure out if he changed the offense or if Manning changed the offense.
To me it has nothing to do with Manning and everything to do with Tebow.
Manning wasn't there then. McCoy completly changed that O to fit Tebows skill set, or lack there of. Somehow, he did that so well that they made the playoffs with Tebow as their QB with Tebow throwing the ball for less than a 47% completion rate.
Dude, that's mad skills for an OC to accomplish IMO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I'd just like to point out the fact that just because a coordinator scored or didn't score a lot of points, or his defense was great or bad, doesn't mean he'll be a good head coach.
you had a good run Hank.
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You are correct but you have to base your decision on something.... You would have a hard time selling the fan base on a guy that has gotten mediocre to poor results as a position coach and coordinator as the best guy available to be HC... you could be completely right, but try selling it to the fans.
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I wonder when the top brass will wrap up the coaching search. Do they want to interview as many as possible (within reason) and then choose? Does the fact that they haven't offered (to our knowledge) anyone the job mean they aren't that interested in those who have been interviewed or that they are just doing due dilligence?
The longer it goes on this week, could mean they want to potentially interview someone from one of the remaining playoff teams. It's gone from chaos last week to molasses this week.
Even Grossi doesn't seem to have a new fangled idea yet.
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Let me clarify. Arians and Trestman are retreads because they have been coordinators for along time. They have been mentioned many times in the past as candidates and their boats have sailed.
Yes, Gruden, Saban, Smith and Whisenhunt are also guys who have been to the rodeo before but they have been head coaches.
You have a track record to measure any way you want.
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I'm just saying, people wonder why guy X, Y and Z are getting interviews, and their guy isn't.
Maybe the guy is a ., or not enough of a ., to be a head coach? Maybe they just flat out don't like him?
I'd say a guy's personality is more important than his ability to draw up plays. That's why you have a coordinator.
you had a good run Hank.
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Just to be clear, you're saying the two guys who haven't been head coaches are retreads and the three guys who have been head coaches aren't retreads?
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I'd say a guy's personality is more important than his ability to draw up plays.
I agree 100%.. being a HC is about management, leadership, setting the tone for your team...
Look at Rex Ryan, the guy is a walking disaster that acts like a fool and says stupid stuff.. is it any wonder the locker room is in total disarray? They are following the lead of their coach... I don't care how good of a defensive Xs and Os the guy might be...
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Alabama coach Nick Saban, who won his fourth BCS national championship on Monday night, tried again Tuesday to tell folks he's not jumping to the NFL. There has been plenty of chatter and speculation in Cleveland that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam might try to make a run at Saban once the big game was over. "Well, you know, how many times do you think I've been asked this question?'' he said during a press conference in Miami. "How many times do you think I've been asked to put it to rest? "And I've put it to rest, and you continue to ask it. So I'm going to say it today, that-- you know, I think somewhere along the line you've got to choose. You learn a lot from the experiences of what you've done in the past. "I came to the Miami Dolphins, what, eight years ago for the best owner, the best person that I've ever had the opportunity to work for. And in the two years that I was here, had a very, very difficult time thinking that I could impact the organization in the way that I wanted to or the way that I was able to in college, and it was very difficult for me, because there's a lot of parity in the NFL, there's a lot of rules in the NFL. "And people say you can draft the players that you want to draft; you can draft a player that's there when you pick. It might not be the player you need, it might not be the player you want. You've got salary cap issues. We had them here. You've got to have a quarterback. We had a chance to get one here; sort of messed it up. "So I didn't feel like I could impact the team the same way that I can as a college coach in terms of affecting people's lives personally, helping them develop careers by graduating from school, off the field, by helping develop them as football players, and there's a lot of self-gratification in all that, all right.'' Saban, who went 15-17 in his two seasons with the Dolphins in 2005-06, won his third BCS national championship with the Crimson Tide in four years Monday night, a 42-14 rout of Notre Dame. It was also his fourth BCS title overall, including one with LSU. "I kind of learned through that experience (with the Dolphins) that maybe this is where I belong, and I'm really happy and at peace with all that,'' said Saban. "So no matter how many times I say that, y'all don't believe it, so I don't even know why I keep talking about it.'' link*Edit* Keep in mind that this is from Mary Kay Cabot, so we shouldn't be surprised if Saban signs with Cleveland this afternoon.
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I appreciate the guys honesty... he's basically admitting that his biggest advantage is recruiting, not coaching.. not that he's not a great coach but he all but comes right and says, "I get the best players in Alabama so I have an advantage. In the NFL I get roughly the same caliber of players as everybody else, why would I want to do that?"
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Most of this story is direct quotes from the mouth of Nick Saban. Quote:
"And I've put it to rest, and you continue to ask it. So I'm going to say it today, that-- you know, I think somewhere along the line you've got to choose. You learn a lot from the experiences of what you've done in the past."
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So either he's telling the truth or he's lying. And do we really want a guy that lies like that as our head coach? I say no.
I think it is safe to say Saban is not an option at this point.
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Even for $10 million a year, I wouldn't leave such a cushy gig.
Of course, if they miss the SEC title game next year, the fans will start complaining about a down year. He has set a very high standard to live up to. I'm sure he'll be fine though.
He was at the top of my short list though. He was previously in Cleveland, this would be his 2nd time as an NFL HC and the dude is a freaking winner.
No big deal. Find the next best guy. I'm a firm believer that talent wins, not coaching. Most of these guys are all "football smart".
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I'd say a guy's personality is more important than his ability to draw up plays.
I agree 100%.. being a HC is about management, leadership, setting the tone for your team...
Look at Rex Ryan, the guy is a walking disaster that acts like a fool and says stupid stuff.. is it any wonder the locker room is in total disarray? They are following the lead of their coach... I don't care how good of a defensive Xs and Os the guy might be...
Which is why Mike Zimmer is my #1 HC prospect. He is intense and has that no nonsense demeanor about him. The players clearly respect him. He seems to have gotten Adam Pacman Jones, Rey Maualuga and Vontaze Burfict under control. He has the leadership qualities to be a good HC.
Here is his bio from www.bengals.com
Mike Zimmer is in his fifth season as Bengals defensive coordinator, coming off a 2011 campaign during which his unit helped lead Cincinnati into the playoffs for the second time in three years.
Cincinnati finished seventh in the NFL in fewest yards allowed (316.3 per game) and ninth in fewest points allowed per game (20.2). One of Zimmer’s stated goals for 2011 was to strengthen the pass rush, and the Bengals finished the season with 45 sacks, fifth in the NFL and up 60 percent from a total of 27 during an injury-plagued 2010 season. Fifteen players contributed to the sack total, tied for the most in franchise history with the exception of a 1987 club that essentially had two different rosters due to strike replacement play.
The 2011 defense also posted top 10 NFL rankings in fewest yards allowed per play (fourth at 5.0), fewest yards per rushing play (eighth at 3.9) and fewest yards per passing play (fourth at 6.8).
In 2009, Zimmer earned NFL Assistant Coach of the Year honors from Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers and from CBSSports.com. He also won the assistant of the year award from FOX broadcaster and Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw.
Supporting Cincinnati's run to the 2009 AFC North championship, the defense ranked No. 4 in the NFL (301.4 yards allowed per game) and led the team to a No. 6 ranking in scoring defense (18.2).
Before Zimmer opted to return to the Bengals for 2012, his work earned him interviews for the head coaching positions at Tampa Bay and Miami.
Zimmer is in his 19th season as an NFL coach, and 2012 marks his 13th straight year as a defensive coordinator. He was Dallas's coordinator from 2000-06, including four years (’03-06) under head coach Bill Parcells. Zimmer moved to the Atlanta Falcons as coordinator in 2007 and signed with the Bengals on Jan. 15, 2008.
Zimmer joined the NFL with Dallas in 1994, working his first six seasons as secondary coach.
He led top 10 defenses for Dallas in both the 4-3 and 3-4 schemes. His 4-3 defenses finished No. 4 in net yards allowed (287.4) in 2001 and No. 1 in ’03 (253.5). And in 2005, Zimmer installed a 3-4 scheme, marking Dallas's first departure from the 4-3 since the club was founded in 1960. In that transition year, the Cowboys finished 10th in the NFL in total defense.
Six times during Zimmer’s tenure as secondary coach and coordinator, the Cowboys finished fifth or better in the NFL in scoring defense.
Zimmer earned a Super Bowl ring as secondary coach with the 1995 Cowboys team that defeated Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XXX. One of Zimmer’s players, unheralded CB Larry Brown, won the game’s MVP award with a pair of interceptions.
Zimmer coached 15 years in the college ranks before joining the Cowboys, working at Missouri, Weber State and Washington State.
Born on June 5, 1956, in Peoria, Ill, Zimmer played QB and later LB at Illinois State. He has three children — son Adam and daughters Corri and Marki. Adam Zimmer earned a Super Bowl ring in 2009 as defensive assistant/linebackers coach for the New Orleans Saints, and Adam in 2012 is in his third year on the Kansas City Chiefs staff. Mike’s father, Bill, made the Illinois Hall of Fame as a prep football and wrestling coach.
Vikki Zimmer, Mike’s wife of 27 years, passed away in Cincinnati on Oct. 8, 2009. The Pro Football Writers of America recognized Zimmer’s ordeal, and the defense’s strong 2009 performance, by voting him the organization’s ’09 Halas Award, which goes annually to the individual in the NFL who overcame the most adversity to succeed.
PLAYING AND COACHING HISTORY - 1974-76: Played QB and later LB at Illinois State. 1979-80: Assistant coach (AC), Missouri. 1981-82: AC, Weber State. 1983-88: Defensive coordinator, Weber State. 1989-93: Defensive coordinator, Washington State. 1994-99: AC, Dallas Cowboys. 2000-06: Defensive coordinator, Dallas Cowboys. 2007: Defensive coordinator, Atlanta Falcons. 2008-present: Defensive Coordinator, Bengals.
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Just curious, why is Bob Stoops never brought up as a potential NFL head coach anymore? His name used to be brought up every year but now I never hear it. I'm guessing he has just said no so many times that people don't ask anymore.
Another college guy that has shot down every rumor is Steve Sarkisian from Washington. He's Lane Kiffin without the ego and anti-social tendencies. I think he will eventually leave for the NFL when the time is right for him.
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other college considerations:
Pass-Happy Spread (off shoot of the run-n-shoot guys):
Dabo Swinney
Kevin Sumlin
Art Briles
Dana Holgorsen (not this year after their collapse though)
More Traditional Guys:
David Cutcliffe
Mark D'Antonio
Mark Richt
Will Muschamp
David Shaw
Bit of a mix between the two:
Charlie Strong
Les Miles
Mike Riley
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Just curious, why is Bob Stoops never brought up as a potential NFL head coach anymore? His name used to be brought up every year but now I never hear it. I'm guessing he has just said no so many times that people don't ask anymore.
Not sure about Sarkisian but I think Stoops can do no wrong at Oklahoma. His teams have underchieved, for what? 4 or 5 straight years? Nobody says anything. They have a nice team every year, a shot at a title twice a decade, so nobody rocks the boat. The guy has no reason to leave.
I'm sure I'd be tempted by NFL dollars and the challenge of the super bowl, but that is such a fast paced business compared to the college game, not to mention, you control the media at college, in the NFL you get the tough questions...
If I were at a top program that was paying me well enough where I wasn't worried about bills, I'd probably be content where I was. College towns are great, you have the awesome atmospheres, and you get fresh players every year. So if your rivals are really good, their star players are gone after a few years. Tom Brady is there EVERY FREAKING YEAR. In college, Tim Tebow is gone after just a few seasons. You have more opportunities...
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If I recall correctly Stoops was the hot candidate when he was winning the big game but over the past several years he has been terrible in big games and bowl games. IO think that is what has called his stock to tumble in NFL eyes.
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Riley is a guy I've thought about, but he was atrocious with the Chargers when he was their head coach.
Too bad Sarkisian doesn't want to take any interviews. He might be a pretty good fit.
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The interview of YTown's favorite candidate Marc Trestman is taking/took place right now/today. Quote:
CLEVELAND -- The Browns are interviewing former Browns offensive coordinator and current Montreal Alouetted coach Marc Trestman in Berea today, two league sources told the Plain Dealer.
Trestman, 56, served as the Browns quarterbacks coach in 1988 and offensive coordinator in 1989 when the Browns went to the AFC Championship game. He spent time with eight NFL teams over 17 seasons, and has made 13 playoffs appearances coaching with the Browns (Bernie Kosar), 49ers (Steve Young), Cardinals (Jake Plummer), Lions (Scott Mitchell) & Raiders (Rich Gannon).
Trestman interviewed for more than eight hours with the Bears in Chicago on Monday, a source said.
Trestman reached Super Bowl XXXVII as Offensive Coordinator/QB coach of the Oakland Raiders and reached two AFC Championship games as Offensive Coordinator/QB coach -- of the Raiders (2002) and Browns (1989). Twice, he coordinated the No. 1 passing offense in the NFL. (49ers in 1995, Raiders in 2002).
With the Alouettes, Trestman has gone 64-34, winning Grey Cup Championship in 2009 and 2010, and earning Coach of the Year honors in 2009.
Trestman has also worked as NFL consultant and worked with quarterbacks Brandon Weeden and Brock Osweiler, who was drafted by the Broncos.
"I thought it was my most important few days leading up to the draft,'' Weeden said in a testimonial on Trestman's website. "Getting to get up on the board and talk through West Coast systems and then be able to go out on the field and put some of those things to use. Marc is an extremely knowledgeable football mind and with his obvious success everywhere he has been proves that he knows how to develop and teach quarterbacks."
In addition to Trestman, the Browns are expected to interview former Browns offensive coordinator Bruce Arians soon, perhaps this week. They've also interviewed Oregon coach Chip Kelly (stayed at Oregon), Penn State coach Bill O'Brien (stayed at Penn State), Syracuse coach Doug Marrone (hired by the Bills), Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton and fired Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt.
Here is a non-Mary Kay Cabot link for those of you who are questioning the authenticity of the story.
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Just sent Belichick a 100 million dollar check and a plane ticket to Cleveland and tell him he can run the show his way. 
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It's been awhile since we've had a Cowher story. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/bill-cowher-plans-to-return-to-coaching-eventually/Bill Cowher plans to return to coaching eventually Posted by Michael David Smith on January 8, 2013, 6:42 PM EST Bill Cowher, who coached the Steelers for 15 seasons but has seemed content working in television since leaving Pittsburgh after the 2006 season, says he expects to return to the sidelines eventually. Asked by Neil Best of Newsday if he plans to coach again at some point, Cowher answered, “Yes.” Cowher also said that being out of the NFL for several years wouldn’t preclude him from being a successful coach again when he wants to return. Cowher noted that until he left the Steelers, he had worked for an NFL team as either a player or coach for his entire adult life, and he still follows the game closely as a studio analyst for CBS. “I think it’s a non-issue,” Cowher said of his time away from coaching. “I did it for 27 years. You don’t just forget things overnight. One thing about this job is it’s been really good because it allows me to study the game and do features on the game. I want to know what I’m talking about so I’m watching tape. It’s not like I’m out of it. I know how the game is changing.” There’s precedent for coaches returning to the sidelines after years in broadcasting. Most notably, Dick Vermeil retired as the coach of the Eagles in 1982, spent most of the next 15 years working in television, and then returned to coach the Rams in 1997, eventually winning a Super Bowl in St. Louis. The 55-year-old Cowher thinks that he’ll someday follow in Vermeil’s footsteps.
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Nope. The more I read about the guy, the more I want him. . . as our offensive coordinator.
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"People evolve," said Popp. "I know he's seen as a good guy and a nice guy, but he has that voice to get someone's attention. And he can grab you real quick. He can serve as a 'father figure' to some of these guys, but at the same time he's able to discipline you real quick. Like 'Don't cross me.' Marc really knows his stuff."
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He sounds a lot like Pat Shurmur to me.
Also, we are looking to interview the GM of the Montreal Alouettes Jim Popp as well.
I am not ready for the wave of panic that will come with a head coach/GM combo that came from a CFL team.
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Come on man, we don't need to "dis" the CFL...Trestman has a decent resume' and has had success.
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I think that these interviews are only being done as fill time and to see if anyone absolutely knocks them off their feet. It's possible that they may find that candidate out of the blue like this.
However, I think they're just waiting until a couple of candidates that are still on playoff teams are available. Greg Roman in San Fran is a good target. Darrell Bevell in Seattle is another good target. I'm not sure how old Roman is, but he's relatively young, probably no older than his early 50s.
Bevell is ONLY 43, but he has 13 years experience coaching at the NFL ranks. He was brought in by Pete Carroll a couple of years ago but served in Minnesota for 5 years while Brad Childress was the HC there. Prior to that, he was in Green Bay under Mike Sherman. Those Sherman teams went to the playoffs in 4 straight years.
I really like Darrell Bevell and he'd be a better NFL head coach than Chip Kelly could ever imagine being.
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