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Thx for update. I checked national media, but was hoping local Cleveland media had an update. I dont want him as our head coach. Im in the Kyle Shannahan camp. I just dont see him coming back to nfl and lighting it up.
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http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/09/cowboys-fire-rob-ryan/?section=si_latestWho wanted Rob Ryan a couple years ago.Here is our chance.Seriously I like Rob Ryan but would not be optomistic about him as our head coach. Maybe I am jaded after hearing about Rex every day of my life for the last 3 years. I wonder if Rex will bring him in to be DC for the Jets. That would create the headlines!
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No way do I want Ryan here. He's a loud mouth who's only slightly less of a clown than Rex.
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He's only less of a clown because he hasn't had the platform Rex has. Given the opportunity he would be every bit as clownish as Rex. I would even argue the Rob is more feisty than Rex given his sideline antics for us and the Cowboys.
Not only that, but his defenses aren't all that good. Here are his defenses rankings in yards allowed since he was a defensive coordinator in Oakland:
2004 - 30th
2005 - 27th
2006 - 3rd
2007 - 22nd
2008 - 27th
2009 - 31st
2010 - 22nd
2011 - 14th
2012 - 19th
That's a lot of hype and not so great results.
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If we want attack...Rob Ryan is the guy.
We talk about wanting aggressive and wanting Chip Kelly...Rob Ryan is an attacker in the fullest
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I look at Trestman, and his QBs certainly haven't had career years while he was with them.
As you acknowledged, Rich Gannon had the best year of his career with Trestman as OC.
Several other QB's had stellar years under Trestman.
Again, you tend to make up your mind about something and then weave the narrative to suit your immediate opinion.
You bend over backwards to try and make your point, using selective facts to back it up and completely ignoring the things that don't. And I give you credit - you're bright - you're good at it.
As far as Trestman ... I wouldn't bring him in as a HC. If he got hired as HC, I wouldn't whine, but I wouldn't fist pump.
But I just find it odd how you can so easily downplay a guy like Trestman, yet tout a guy like Daboll as doing a 'great job' in Miami... to me, that just reeks of making up your mind and then using whatever stats, figures or hyperbole you can to make your opinion work. I mean, Trestman absolutely blows Daboll away as far as credentials.
But you liked the idea of the Mangini regime, so you worked to form the stats to suit your opinion. You don't like the idea of Trestman, so you do the same.
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If we want attack...Rob Ryan is the guy.
We talk about wanting aggressive and wanting Chip Kelly...Rob Ryan is an attacker in the fullest
I would much rather go with bradley (DC in Seattle) than either Ryan.
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Both Ryans are jokes. We need to hire a legit coach to turn this franchise around. I want us to interview Shanny and McCoy. Either of them will bring instant credibility to the Browns
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If we want attack...Rob Ryan is the guy.
We talk about wanting aggressive and wanting Chip Kelly...Rob Ryan is an attacker in the fullest
Chip Kelly (at least in college) is an attacker who gets results... Rob Ryan is all talk and no real substance IMO.
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Here are my choices:
Tom Clements OC Green Bay
Mike McCoy OC Denver
Darrell Bevell OC Seattle
Ken Whisenhunt
The problem though they might all win this week except Whisenhunt, pushing hunt another week.
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For comparison purposes, do you know the league average those years? The best and worst might also be enlightening? Frankly, I have no idea what to make of those numbers and some reference points would be helpful.
Do I know the numbers .... NO...but I would like to know. I'm working 80 hours a week again and I just have not had time to look them up (BUT I would be willing to put money on those numbers being a lot higher than the league average.) If I am wrong I will be glad to eat some crow, at least then I would get a lunch break
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Sacks kill an offense buddy, and Arians offense kills an offense and QB's:(
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As I said before my first choice was Kelly (he can know kiss my amble sized backside)
2nd Choice is Shanahan JR
and my third Choice is now Marc Trestman no matter who agree's or disagree's with me
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I know this keeps getting brought up passively but why aren't we or anyone else seriously considering Brad Seely? The guy was special teams coach for the patriots for a bunch of years during the Super Bowl stretch, comes here and manages to put together a very good special teams unit on an otherwise bad team, goes to San Fran (where he's assistant HC incidentally) and turns thier special teams into a power. He's coached OL and TE's, he knows offense, he's a stickler for detail and by all accounts I hear he's loved by his players. Deserves at least some consideration.
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I would have no Problem with Brad but right now he is the third choice on my list. However my wife was not my first choice either (Not Rich, a supermodel, or a porn star lol) But she was my best choice 
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After sitting on the sidelines for the past week, I have come to the conclusion that all coaches must fall under one of the following categories...
1) Unproven college coaches who cannot adapt to the NFL game.
2) Unproven pro assistants that do not deserve a chance because they will are not qualified and will ultimately fail.
3) Former head coaches that were not any good even though they may have had coached a super bowl team or even won one.
Given this mentality, no coach in their right mind would ever take a job coaching the Browns, and we will not find a Tomlin or Harbaugh, because we are too timid.
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I don't want Daboll as head coach either.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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After sitting on the sidelines for the past week, I have come to the conclusion that all coaches must fall under one of the following categories...
1) Unproven college coaches who cannot adapt to the NFL game.
2) Unproven pro assistants that do not deserve a chance because they will are not qualified and will ultimately fail.
3) Former head coaches that were not any good even though they may have had coached a super bowl team or even won one.
Given this mentality, no coach in their right mind would ever take a job coaching the Browns, and we will not find a Tomlin or Harbaugh, because we are too timid.
Why wouldnt a proven coach i.e. Lovie Smith or Whisenhunt, or an up and coming coach McCoy or Shannahan want to come here. We have new ownership a young roster that isnt as bad as our record shows. They can come here and turn this around and be the talk of the league. This is a good job
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We won't find a "Tomlin or a Harbaugh" because we don't have the rest of the organization in place and deeply established.
The Ravens had Ozzie Newsome already in place and established. Brian Billick had Rex Ryan as DC, and Greg Roman as ofensive assistant. (he was his own offensive coordinator) Harbaugh was hired, and the stronger side of the ball was kept largely intact, and Rex Ryan was retained as DC. They hired Cam Cameron as OC, drafted Flacco, and moved on.
When Bill Cower retired, the Steelers looked for a head coach. Cower left Ken Whisenhunt as OC, and Dick Lebeau as DC. Tomlin came in and kept Lebeau, and only changed OC because Whisenhunt got the Cardinals job.
The Steelers largely kept their front office intact.
Both organizations changed head coaches, but kept much of the rest the same. Tomlin didn't change the Steelers to a 4-3 defense. They had continuity. The Ravens didn't change their defense. They didn't need to.
This is the advantage these organizations have. It's not that they are somehow far superior as far as finding a new head coach ... it's that they have a great organization in place, so that if they have to find a new head coach, they can go find one who follows the creed of not breaking what's not broken.
Much of the Browns problem over the year has been a failure to establish anything, and then blowing every thing up every time a new head coach comes in. I believe that this is a huge reason why the Browns (and Holmgren) retained so many Mangini assistants. They changed to the 4-3, but they kept their RB/QB/TEand DB coaches, IIRC. (and that's from memory, so some might be wrong, but the gist is right)
If the Browns hire an offensive coach, as I believe they should, they should strongly consider retaining Dick Jauron, and much of the defensive staff. (unless they can hire a much, much stronger coordinator, like Marinelli out of Chicago) Start building continuity, and you start building a winning environment.
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As of right now, these 5 HC's are on my board for consideration:
Marc Trestman
Ken Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Jay Gruden
Mike Zimmer
But to rank them 1-5 I can't do. Up in the air.
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I look at it like this ......
We just had a WCO head coach. Do we want another one? (Trestman)
Do we want a coach who had a supremely talented team, yet fell to .500 every other year for the past 6 years in his last job? (Lovie Smith)
I don't know a lot about Jay Gruden. He has a pedigree, and has developed young players though.
Whisenhunt just got hired. Call it Mangini Syndrome, but I don't want a guy who is immediately hired after being fired for being ineffective, without having had time to reflect on why.This applies to Smith as well.
Mike Zimmer might be a consideration. I know that his defesne has gone somewhat up and down, but how much of that was injuries, I'm not sure. The Bengals allowed 364, 291, 395, 323, and 320 points in Zimmer's 5 years.
Over the past 5 years the Browns have allowed 350, 375, 332, 307, and 368 points. We were actually better in allowing points in 3 of his 5 years. Now before anyone complains, I did not break down points allowed on INT or punt/kick returns .......... and the Bengals have been better with regards to yards allowed in some years.
There certainly are no perfect candidates left. (if there were to start with) The reason I like Arians is because of the leadership he showed in Indy under difficult conditions ...... and because of his ability to develop players. He has a track record, and has coached in the big game, winning 3 Super Bowls, if I'm not mistaken. In 2010, the Steelers went 12-4, with 4 games at the start of the season being started by Batch and Dixon. They went 3-1 in those 4 games. (I remember being so happy because the Steelers were going to be without Roethlisberger because of that suspension, and how badly it would hurt them)
Anyway ...... hopefully we wind up with a great head coach, wjoever we wind up with. We deserve one ... finally.
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So much for people saying Jon Gruden wouldn't be willing to leave MNF to go back to being an NFL HC..... Jon Gruden Would Coach For Right Team
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As of right now, these 5 HC's are on my board for consideration:
Marc Trestman
Ken Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Jay Gruden
Mike Zimmer
But to rank them 1-5 I can't do. Up in the air.
Why Trestman? just because he is being interviewed by Chicago and us? Did you even know anything about him before yesterday?
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My point is that there is no coach that could possibly be qualified to coach the Browns... all coaches have risk, and there is no perfect coach, Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, and Bellicheck included.
You won't know until a couple of years after they are hired.
I think there are some good candidates, even Marty could make a team 10-6 with marginal talent.
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With Zimmerman, consider how putrid their offense was in the worst two years for that defense. That D was on the field a lot. I'm not much of a stats guy, more of an eye test guy, but that defense was night and day after he took over.
Also he made adjustments. Last year, watching their D, they had a lot of trouble with their D line selling out their gap integrity to try to rush the passer which got them bured A LOT. This year, they were better.
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Ok saw the scroller on ESPN saying about Cowher coming back to football.
Anyone find that strange in the least? Timing is everything sometimes and although I know he said he would never coach the browns he did have alot of good things to say about the team.
Think me may be ready to teach the young pup (Tomlin) a thing or two?
Fun to dream with this young roster and defense not to mention the staff he could put together.
Back to my dog house I go. Just wanted to bark out in the middle of the night.
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He did ? can't find nothing on it...
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He did ? can't find nothing on it...
Typo. He meant fired.
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Happy b-day buddy I'm having a hard time this go around with who I feel comfortable with, got my guard up a little, Get excited about a hire,just to see another let down. I will say I have hopes of seeing Tom Clements get an interview, Even a guy like Seely. I hate to say, my enthusiasm isn't very high , and I really don't like feeling this way.
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I sort of thought so reading the whole sentence, but i did have to go look and see, Thanks thou
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I like Lovie and Whisenhunt both because I think they both are good Head Coaches. Both that were failed by their FOs.
Neither Chicago or Arizona have ANY sort of offensive line. Yet Chicago still got out to hot starts the passed two years only to fall apart. Some see that as an indightment against Lovie, while its obviously not in his favor. You have to think had Chicago put any effort into their online they'd be in the playoffs right now.
And I think Whisenhunt is a kin of HC that could come in, install an offense that suits our talent while letting our defense grow under a DC (possibly Juaron)
I think my current favorite right now though is Shanahan.
Part of me wants a guy who hasn't had the big job before. Someone that can come in and be the guy for 10+ years.
On a side note, anyone think Lombardi was the only guy around the NFL that though Lombardi was in play for GM? Putting his own name in the hat to try to drum up interest?
Same deal with Holmgren putting out there that he'd be "willing to coach"
If no ones talking about you. Then no ones thinking about you.
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He did ? can't find nothing on it...
Typo. He meant fired.
Yep. Thanks.
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Trestman comes up as a candidate every year and no one ever hires him.
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Ok saw the scroller on ESPN saying about Cowher coming back to football.
Anyone find that strange in the least? Timing is everything sometimes and although I know he said he would never coach the browns he did have alot of good things to say about the team.
At this time of the year everything is a guessing game actually. I don't see Cowher or Gruden announcing they would be willing to get back into coaching this year as anything "specific to the Browns". For all I know it could be, but my thinking is most likely not.
If you actually think about it from an NFL standpoint rather than strictly from a Browns standpoint, it may paint a slightly different picture.
There are a lot of HC oppertunities out there to be had. Not saying more than ever before but it seems like far more than usual. Combine that with the fact that teams seem to be continually interviewing potential HC'ing candidates, yet almost no teams seem to be doing any quick hires this time around.
It's as though they seem to be having trouble finding "the right fit" as it pertains to exactly "what they're looking for" in a HC. So I see this off-season as far more of the prime time from a business aspect for both of them to make such an announcement.
With so many teams competing for HC'ing vacancies, the bidding war for such candidates as Cowher and Gruden would most likely be at an all time high. What person, if they were going to return to coaching, wouldn't be smart to take advantage of those circumstances in order to possibly cause teams to get in a bidding war for their services and recieve a contract only HC's to this point could have only dreamed of?
I can't say I would blame either one of them for such a strategy.....
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With so many teams competing for HC'ing vacancies, the bidding war for such candidates as Cowher and Gruden would most likely be at an all time high. What person, if they were going to return to coaching, wouldn't be smart to take advantage of those circumstances in order to possibly cause teams to get in a bidding war for their services and recieve a contract only HC's to this point could have only dreamed of?
No doubt about it, Mr. Pit.
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Does he? I can't recall anyone posting anything about hiring Trestman ever on this board at least until now.
Now, all of a sudden, he's a viable candidate because the front office is looking for a Plan C or Plan D or wherever they are at.
I still say Lovie Smith and Arians deserve a look at.
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At what point does Ariens' health become an issue, considering his age. What he had was high blood pressure (not a good sign going into a playoff game) and an ear infection. Those can happen to people of any age, but people might see it as a negative considering his age and the stress of the job - the blood pressure more than the ear thing. I know he didn't chose to get sick or have to be in the hospital twice, but the timing couldn't be worse for him with teams wanting to interview him.
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I am not ready for the wave of panic that will come with a head coach/GM combo that came from a CFL team.
And panic there will be.
I don't know anything about Popps background, I'll check it later, but regarding trestman, he's been coaching in the NFL since the 80's with two exceptions, he was out of football for 3 years and then 5 years (successful years) in the CFL.
As for Popp, he's the GM of Montreal so he's had to find talent. I would think that all you really get up there are guys that can't make it or don't want to be in the NFL.
That shrinks the pool of top talent which has got to make it harder to find great players. Just wondering if his skills are sharper because of that or if it's more of a negative. I honestly don't know.
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Arians back in the hospital ...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_interview_mar.html#incart_river
As much as I like Lovie Smith, the Browns have yet to interview a defense-oriented coach, other than Horton - who most likely was interviewed for Rooney Rule compliance.
Arians has an ear infection, he'll be fine and he started scheduling interviews last night. I guess the Bears are in the mix as well as us. not sure about us yet.
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