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Draft him in the 5th an let him learn to be a QB.
The guy may not be Tom Brady. But neither is Colin Kaepernick.
Any comparison to Tebow isn't fair.
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Tebow is/was a much better thrower than Klein. I'd look to make him into a guy like Michael Robinson from the Seahawks. A jack of all trades.
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Klein is mechanically where Tebow wishes he was.
He's a guy that is draft in the 5th a literally not let him play for at least 2 years. Give him some NFL coaches and see what they can do with him. If he becomes anything it was worth the 5th round pick. If not. Move on.
Developing a QB. Something we've never actually done.
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put jarvis jones in that mix and that's my top3. really hope we can get Kerry Rhodes to solve our 2nd safety issue.
I have only seen a little bit of Jones. Not sold on him - yet.
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With the sixth pick in the NFL draft Mike Lombardi selects Mike Junkin AGAIN
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With the sixth pick in the NFL draft Mike Lombardi selects Mike Junkin AGAIN
Gm, you are a good guy,there is already multiple places to moan about him already.
this is as bad as the qb debate pollution.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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It's not that bad YET but it will be bro. But don't worry you don't see me posting in the draft forum much 
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Just for the record, I don't believe it was Lombardi who drafted Junkin. IIRC, Junkin was the pipe dream of Marty Schottenheimer, Ernie Accorsi, Art Modell, and scout Dom Anile (who coined the "mad dog in a meat market" phrase). There's ample reasons to distrust Lombardi, but Junkin isn't one of them.
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Getting back to the draft, I hope the Browns consider Zach Boren with one of their late picks. At the risk of being called a Buckeye honk, I thought he played a terrific game at ILB vs Michigan. I was really impressed at how he picked up the slack when Simon was hurt. Its funny that most draft sites I've seen list him as the 4th best FB, but I wonder if his future isn't at LB. If nothing else, I'm confident he could be a special teams warrior.
Following is a scouting report by Rob Rang:
Proving he's hardly just a human sledgehammer, however, Boren demonstrated surprising awareness and lateral agility in weaving his way through traffic to find Michigan ball-carriers between the tackles. Even better, Boren demonstrated enough speed to help contain the Wolverines' fabulously athletic and versatile combination of Gardner and Denard Robinson when they ran wide. Boren even proved himself capable of helping out in coverage, dropping back 20-30 yards at times, to cover Michigan's backs and tight ends. Needless to say, Notre Dame's Manti Te'o's perch atop NFLDraftScout.com's inside linebacker rankings is safe. And considering Boren's experience at fullback, it is easy to understand why some still believe that could be his future position in the NFL.
Recognizing the impact Boren has made in turning around a talented (but poor tackling) Buckeyes' defense, however, his greater upside lies on the defensive side of the ball. Boren needed to play well in this contest for Ohio State to come out victorious, especially with the news that their senior leader, defensive end John Simon, wouldn't be able to play due to a knee injury. In taking over as the team's defensive leader and emotional catalyst, Boren helped lead the Buckeyes to an undefeated season. In doing so, the 6-0, 245 pounder could make a play for a spot within the first four rounds of the 2013 draft. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
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Absolutely. Dump Marecic, draft Boren. Start him on ST
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Just for the record, I don't believe it was Lombardi who drafted Junkin. IIRC, Junkin was the pipe dream of Marty Schottenheimer, Ernie Accorsi, Art Modell, and scout Dom Anile (who coined the "mad dog in a meat market" phrase). There's ample reasons to distrust Lombardi, but Junkin isn't one of them.
That's exactly right.
Can't blame Craig Powell on him either. That was a Belichick hissy fit.
I truly wonder just how many times in his career Lombardi has been that final word on player acquisition. I know almost for certain that he wasn't when Belichick was here. He wasn't in Oakland with Al Davis. He wasn't when working with Banner in Philly.
It doesn't sound like Lombardi is going to be the final word on anything ....... but maybe almost more of a coordinating role.
To me, the following quote doesn't seem like Lombardi will be able to steamroll anyone.
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5. Banner said the Pro Player Personnel Director would be a fifth decision maker if the subject was a pro acquisition, and the college director would be there for the discussions on the draft.
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Just for the record, I don't believe it was Lombardi who drafted Junkin. IIRC, Junkin was the pipe dream of Marty Schottenheimer, Ernie Accorsi, Art Modell, and scout Dom Anile (who coined the "mad dog in a meat market" phrase). There's ample reasons to distrust Lombardi, but Junkin isn't one of them.
That's exactly right.
Can't blame Craig Powell on him either. That was a Belichick hissy fit.
I truly wonder just how many times in his career Lombardi has been that final word on player acquisition. I know almost for certain that he wasn't when Belichick was here. He wasn't in Oakland with Al Davis. He wasn't when working with Banner in Philly.
It doesn't sound like Lombardi is going to be the final word on anything ....... but maybe almost more of a coordinating role.
To me, the following quote doesn't seem like Lombardi will be able to steamroll anyone.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2013/01/terry_plutos_talkin_about_the_67.html
5. Banner said the Pro Player Personnel Director would be a fifth decision maker if the subject was a pro acquisition, and the college director would be there for the discussions on the draft.
that doesn't make it sound as bad
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Banner said the Pro Player Personnel Director would be a fifth decision maker if the subject was a pro acquisition, and the college director would be there for the discussions on the draft.
I hate to quibble, but following politics has taught me to parse team executives' words. We don't have a Director of Pro Personnel or a Director of College Scouting, as far as I know. We have a Vice President and Director of Player Personnel; a guy either of those positions would report to. I really expect Banner and Lombardi to run the draft and FA acquisitions. We are going to have to hope they're competent.
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John Spytek is the Director of College Scouting.
Jon Sandusky is the Director of Player Personnel.
I would assume that both will be involved.
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Thanks, I didn't know that.
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John Spytek is the Director of College Scouting.
Jon Sandusky is the Director of Player Personnel.
I would assume that both will be involved.
I know that as of just a second ago, I checked and those guys were still listed in those positions, I don't expect them to change. Those kinda changes usually take place after the draft.
But a word of caution, they have Chud listed as HC and they still have Jeuron and Childress listed as coordinators.
Anything can happen. At this point, I wouldn't rule anything out.
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I have not done one of these in a long time.
Free agency:
Kenny Phillips, FS - Gives leadership, experience and is a upgrade over our current safeties.
Keenan Lewis, CB - Gives us the #2 CB that we badly need. Helps us finish the secondary. This is our "big name free agent."
Draft:
1. Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon - Gives us the 3/4 OLB pass rusher we can develop. He has the size and athletic ability to cover tight ends.
3. Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky - Never going to be a pro bowler. However I expect him to be a very solid player for us.
4. Joseph Fauria, TE, UCLA - Gives us a big athletic body at TE.
5. Chris Jones, DT, Bowling Green - Phenomenal pass rusher and helps us finish the d-line
6. Tyran Mathieu, CB, LSU - I expect him to drop pretty far because of his size and character issues. Horton could get the best out of him
6. Ray Ray Armstrong, SS, Miami - Depth at safety same as Mathieu
7. Quinn Sharp, P, Oklahoma State - We need a punter :lol:
Final Roster:
QB: Weeden, McCoy, Lewis
RB: Richardson, Hardesty, Jackson
FB: Smelley
WR: Gordon, Little, Momass, Benjamin, Norwood, Cribbs
TE: Fauria, Cameron, Smith
OT: Thomas, Schwartz, Miller
OG: Warford, Lavaou, Pinkston
OC: Mack, Greco
DE: Taylor, Jones
NT: Rubin, Hughes
DE: Winn, Rucker
OLB: Jordan, Acho
MLB: DQ, JMJ, Fort
MLB: Gocong, Maiava, Robertson
OLB: Sheard, Stephens
CB: Haden, Lewis, Skrine, Mathieu, Wade
FS: Phillips, Young
SS: Ward, Armstrong
K: Dawson
P: Sharp
LS: Younst (sp?)
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Are you worried about the rotator cuff injury Jordan sustained in the bowl game?
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I don't see how McCoy fits in here?
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He liked Weeden and Gabbert 
...and Roethlisberger.
and since when has Weeden busted? I think his Offense scored BY FAR the most points since 2007? and probably the 2nd or 3rd most since rebirth? and we're talking rookie season here. The Weeden hate on here is just disgusting and embarrassing....goes to show the cluelessness of this board really. The 2 most hated QBs are easily DA and Weeden, coincidentally the 2 QBs who orchestrated the 2 best Offense seasons since 99...yet lousy losers like Frye, McCoy and Quinn got YEARS of support and apology lovefests. DA at least had some supporters...Weeden never got even a chance with the fans as soon as he wa drafted, there's maybe a handful on here who were and are really supporting him
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Does anybody "hate" Weeden? I hate that he was drafted to run the WCO. More than Quinn? Dilfer? Couch? Holcomb? Garcia? Wallace? Maybe your vocal personal investment in him is skewing your believed perception of him?
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I think people see Weeden. And know that we could probably upgrade the QB position. Regardless of what year he's in.
Can we win some games (7+ a season) with him? Yeah sure.
Is it possible to find something much better? I'd say yes.
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would anyone be shocked if we drafted Tyler Bray if he fell to the 3rd/4th round?
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I wouldn't mind it in the 3rd or 4th round.
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Prediction:
Atlanta drafts Tyle Eifert to replace Gonzales.
Their defense continues to decline.
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I wouldn't be shocked if he goes in the top 50 picks.
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If weeden can survive BAnner and Lombardi for this year, he has a good chance to succeed. If you look at what Oklahoma St. was doing it is pretty damn close to what Chud wants to do in his Air Coryell offense.
I expect a mid round QB to be brought in to build up, while they gauge what Weeden really has to offer.
Bray, Jones, Dysert, Manuel are all intriguing QBs that teams are going to draft to groom and I expect us to draft one of those.
I hope Weeden is given a year two but I wont be shocked if we take a Matt Barkley or Tyler Wilson at 6. New owner always want their new QB. Banner and Lombardi do not like Weeden. The guy really doesnt have anyone left in his corner.
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My brother thinks that Mike Glennon is all of that and a bag of chips. I can't say that I disagree with him. Although I would hate to lose on someone like Werner, if we could trade back and nab Glennon and additional picks (yes, multiple additional picks) then I would do so. Glennon (#59) was more highly rated than... wait for it... Andrew Luck (68)! They were recruited at the same time. http://dallasnews.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1803
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I think Glennon is probably the 4th QB taken and I would guess a Cowboy this time next year.
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If we're ganna give Weeden another year.
I don't want another QB picked before the 4th.
3rd round QBs can put pressure on a guy that isn't needed (Usually media driven)
If you're ganna draft a guy in the 1st-3rd you might as well get rid of Weeden because you're already showing you dot believe in him.
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If we're ganna give Weeden another year.
I don't want another QB picked before the 4th.
3rd round QBs can put pressure on a guy that isn't needed (Usually media driven)
If you're ganna draft a guy in the 1st-3rd you might as well get rid of Weeden because you're already showing you dot believe in him.
How much value do you think that the Browns could get for Weeden in a trade?
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I'm not saying they'd get any value.
Maybe call KC up as Weeden just spent a year learning the WCO and IMO he's better than Quinn or Cassell.
Part of me wars to say you could get a 3rd for him. Which sounds bad.
Ugh. I hate Mike Holmgren.
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Would be lucky to get a 5th for Weeden imho and I like the guy.
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I'm not saying they'd get any value.
Maybe call KC up as Weeden just spent a year learning the WCO and IMO he's better than Quinn or Cassell.
Part of me wars to say you could get a 3rd for him. Which sounds bad.
Ugh. I hate Mike Holmgren.
If you could get KCs 3rd rounder for him, the Browns should jump at the chance. They have the first overall pick in the third round. That's like a late 2nd rounder and they could smile themselves silly over their fortunes.
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Would be lucky to get a 5th for Weeden imho and I like the guy.
I've never been a fan of his. I hoped he'd do well because I'm a Browns fan but I haven't any misconceptions about his abilities and I don't want to give him another chance. I want him gone.
At this point, I'd probably take KCs 5th rounder, but I'd ask for more than that.
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This talk of trading Weeden and drafting Glennon is pretty funny to me. Glennon is basically the same guy as Weeden... in fact I wouldn't be surprised to find out Glennon is Weeden's son.
Hey, do you guys know who threw the most interceptions in FCS this year?
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I don't WANT to trade Weeden, as I think he can do very well in Chuds offense.
My point was if this FO doesn't believe in him. Then just get rid of him.
Unless the plan is to draft a QB late (4-7) and actually let him develop over a few years (aka don't play him) while also seeing what Weeden does this year.
I just think any QB drafted in the 3rd round and up is going to be pushed passed Weeden. And probably too early. Just cause hell be "their guy"
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Getting rid of Weeden in Chud's offense would be moronic.
He is the perfect guy to start while we pick up late rounders with rocket arms to develop.
I can't really imagine a bigger mistake than throwing a 1st at these chump QBs this draft.
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