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I dont know why Glennon gets the hype he does.. i dont think he will be successful in the NFL.


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Would be lucky to get a 5th for Weeden imho and I like the guy.




And all the more reason we give him year two.

It would be dumb to just give up on the guy at this point. Next year or some point 8-9 games in to this season, a different story.


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Would be lucky to get a 5th for Weeden imho and I like the guy.




And all the more reason we give him year two.

It would be dumb to just give up on the guy at this point. Next year or some point 8-9 games in to this season, a different story.



Exactly. You don't replace Weeden unless you are as certain as you can be that the guy you are replacing him with represents a significant upgrade.. and I don't see that guy available right now...

I know its frustrating watching these first and second year guys having a ton of immediate success... but the worst thing we can do is go off on some knee jerk reaction which would probably make the problem worse...


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All I want the Browns is to stay far far away from all the QBs in this draft. If Weeden turns the corner we are a playoff contender. If he does not...we are back in the top 10 of the 2014 draft with an opportunity to pick Bridgewater, Manziel, Boyd, or Murray. Those 4 are better than any of the QBs coming out this year.

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I know its frustrating watching these first and second year guys having a ton of immediate success... but the worst thing we can do is go off on some knee jerk reaction which would probably make the problem worse...




...and I think that's the problem with this fanbase (and in general) when it comes to Weeden and his future...they compare him to RG3, Luck and Wilson.

This QB class was deemed VERY good and deep for a reason and it looks like it will go down as one of the best ever

Let's look at the prior 3 QB classes and the QBs selcted in the top 50 in those and compare THEIR rookie seasons to Weeden's:

2011:

Cam...4k yds, 7.8yds/PA, 60%, 84.5 QBr
Locker...did not start as a rook, 2nd year numbers: 6.9yds/PA, 56.4%, 74 QBr
Gabbert...5.4yds/PA, 50,8%, 65.4 QBr
Ponder....6.4yds/PA, 54%, 70 QBr
Dalton....6.6yds/PA, 58%, 80 QBr
Kaepernick...did not start as a rook, 8.3yds/PA, 98.3 QBr in 7 year 2 starts

2010:

Bradford: 6.0yds/PA, 60%, 76.5 QBr
Tebow: 48% career comp%, he's not a NFL QB
Clausen: 5.2yds/PA, 52.5%, 58.4 QBr

2009:

Stafford: 6yds/PA, 53.3%, 61QBr in 10 rookie starts
Sanchez: 6.7yds/PA (career best, lol), 53.8%, 63 QBr
Freeman: 6.4yds/PA, 54.5%, 59.8 QBr
Pat White: attempted 5 career passes, completed none, Lombardi LOVED the pick, lol

and here's Weeden's rookie stats: 6.5yds/PA, 57.4%, 72.6 QBr...

without his 1st game (not because it was his worst, because it was his 1st and with rooks it's all about the process from there), he's a steady, 6.7yds/PA, 59% and 79 QBr

You be the judge, but to get rid of Weeden NOW is moronic anyway you look at this list. Right now, he's in the Ponder-Bradford-Dalton class, but considering his arm strength, something those guys do NOT have as much of, he should be compared to guys like Stafford and Freeman and I think he can take off similarly to those 2 in his 2nd season....if given that chance, which should be a no brainer

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Would be lucky to get a 5th for Weeden imho and I like the guy.




And all the more reason we give him year two.

It would be dumb to just give up on the guy at this point. Next year or some point 8-9 games in to this season, a different story.




Agreed, peen.

Another way of looking at it, if all we can get is a 5th round pick, could we find someone of equal value in the 5th round?


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North team
Quarterbacks
Zac Dysert, Miami (Ohio)
Mike Glennon, North Carolina State
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse

Running backs
Kenjon Barner, Oregon
Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
Robbie Rouse, Fresno State
Kyle Juszczyk (FB), Harvard

Receivers
Aaron Dobson, Marshall
Marquise Goodwin, Texas
Chris Harper, Kansas State
Aaron Mellette, Elon
Denard Robinson, Michigan
Markus Wheaton, Oregon State
Jack Doyle (TE), Western Kentucky
Nick Kasa (TE), Colorado
Ryan Otten (TE), San Jose State

Offensive linemen
Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Kyle Long, Oregon
Joe Madsen, West Virginia
Justin Pugh, Syracuse
David Quessenberry, San Jose State
Hugh Thornton, Illinois
Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin
Brian Winters, Kent State

Defensive linemen
Michael Buchanan, Illinois
Margus Hunt, SMU
Datone Jones, UCLA
Alex Okafor, Texas
Jordan Hill, Penn State
Kawann Short, Purdue
Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern
Sylvester Williams, North Carolina

Linebackers
Steve Beauharnais, Rutgers
Arthur Brown, Kansas State
Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
John Simon, Ohio State
Trevardo Williams, Connecticut

Defensive backs
Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International
Will Davis, Utah State
Dwayne Gratz, Connecticut
T.J. McDonald, Southern California
Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
Jamar Taylor, Boise State
Phillip Thomas, Fresno State
Desmond Trufant, Washington
Duke Williams, Nevada
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut

Specialists
Quinn Sharp (K), Oklahoma State
Jeff Locke (P), UCLA
Luke Ingram (LS), Hawaii

South team
Quarterbacks
Landry Jones, Oklahoma
EJ Manuel, Florida State
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

Running backs
Andre Ellington, Clemson
Mike Gillislee, Florida
Onterio McCalebb, Auburn
Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
Tommy Bohanon (FB), Wake Forest

Receivers
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
Tavarres King, Georgia
Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
Ryan Swope, Texas A&M
Conner Vernon, Duke
Terrance Williams, Baylor
Vance McDonald (TE), Rice
Mychal Rivera (TE), Tennessee
Michael Williams (TE), Alabama

Offensive linemen
Oday Aboushi, Virginia
D.J. Fluker, Alabama
Dalton Freeman, Clemson
Garrett Gilkey, Chadron State
Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
Xavier Nixon, Florida
Brian Schwenke, California
Dallas Thomas, Tennessee
J.C. Tretter, Cornell
Larry Warford, Kentucky

Defensive linemen
Ezekial Ansah, Brigham Young
Everett Dawkins, Florida State
Lavar Edwards, LSU
Malliciah Goodman, Clemson
Corey Grissom, South Florida
Montori Hughes, Tennessee-Martin
John Jenkins, Georgia
Cornelius Washington, Georgia

Linebackers
Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
Zaviar Gooden, Missouri
Nico Johnson, Alabama
Sean Porter, Texas A&M
Chase Thomas, Stanford
Vince Williams, Florida State

Defensive backs
Robert Alford, Southeastern Louisiana
Marc Anthony, California
Sanders Commings, Georgia
Robert Lester, Alabama
Leon McFadden, San Diego State
Bacarri Rambo, Georgia
B.W. Webb, William & Mary
J.J. Wilcox, Georgia Southern
Shawn Williams, Georgia

Specialists
Dustin Hopkins (K), Florida State
Ryan Allen (P), Louisiana Tech
Carson Tinker (LS), Alabama

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I don't WANT to trade Weeden, as I think he can do very well in Chuds offense.

My point was if this FO doesn't believe in him. Then just get rid of him.

Unless the plan is to draft a QB late (4-7) and actually let him develop over a few years (aka don't play him) while also seeing what Weeden does this year.

I just think any QB drafted in the 3rd round and up is going to be pushed passed Weeden. And probably too early. Just cause hell be "their guy"




Maybe, but if Weeden isn't their guy, it's not far-fetched to see them trying to offload him.

Also, who knows whether any drafted QB couldn't actually earn the job?

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I dont know why Glennon gets the hype he does.. i dont think he will be successful in the NFL.




And yet, you're sitting here like everyone else writing on a message board. Tell us what you thought of Colin Kaepernick? When SF drafted him two years ago, I said that it was a GREAT pick (I'm not sure how to go back and find any archives from that time - if they even exists) but was roundly criticized for it.

I think that Glennon will be more successful in the NFL than Brandon Weeden will ever be. I never thought that selecting Weeden was even in consideration but I was wrong. But, the former regime was laughed at for making that selection and rightly so. I don't think that Chudzinski has any inclination to keep Weeden around just because the former regime used a 1st round pick on him.

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North team
Quarterbacks
Zac Dysert, Miami (Ohio)
Mike Glennon, North Carolina State
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse

Running backs
Kenjon Barner, Oregon
Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
Robbie Rouse, Fresno State
Kyle Juszczyk (FB), Harvard

Receivers
Aaron Dobson, Marshall
Marquise Goodwin, Texas
Chris Harper, Kansas State
Aaron Mellette, Elon
Denard Robinson, Michigan
Markus Wheaton, Oregon State
Jack Doyle (TE), Western Kentucky
Nick Kasa (TE), Colorado
Ryan Otten (TE), San Jose State

Offensive linemen
Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Kyle Long, Oregon
Joe Madsen, West Virginia
Justin Pugh, Syracuse
David Quessenberry, San Jose State
Hugh Thornton, Illinois
Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin
Brian Winters, Kent State

Defensive linemen
Michael Buchanan, Illinois
Margus Hunt, SMU
Datone Jones, UCLA
Alex Okafor, Texas
Jordan Hill, Penn State
Kawann Short, Purdue
Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern
Sylvester Williams, North Carolina

Linebackers
Steve Beauharnais, Rutgers
Arthur Brown, Kansas State
Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
John Simon, Ohio State
Trevardo Williams, Connecticut

Defensive backs
Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International
Will Davis, Utah State
Dwayne Gratz, Connecticut
T.J. McDonald, Southern California
Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
Jamar Taylor, Boise State
Phillip Thomas, Fresno State
Desmond Trufant, Washington
Duke Williams, Nevada
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut

Specialists
Quinn Sharp (K), Oklahoma State
Jeff Locke (P), UCLA
Luke Ingram (LS), Hawaii

South team
Quarterbacks
Landry Jones, Oklahoma
EJ Manuel, Florida State
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

Running backs
Andre Ellington, Clemson
Mike Gillislee, Florida
Onterio McCalebb, Auburn
Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
Tommy Bohanon (FB), Wake Forest

Receivers
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
Tavarres King, Georgia
Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
Ryan Swope, Texas A&M
Conner Vernon, Duke
Terrance Williams, Baylor
Vance McDonald (TE), Rice
Mychal Rivera (TE), Tennessee
Michael Williams (TE), Alabama

Offensive linemen
Oday Aboushi, Virginia
D.J. Fluker, Alabama
Dalton Freeman, Clemson
Garrett Gilkey, Chadron State
Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
Xavier Nixon, Florida
Brian Schwenke, California
Dallas Thomas, Tennessee
J.C. Tretter, Cornell
Larry Warford, Kentucky

Defensive linemen
Ezekial Ansah, Brigham Young
Everett Dawkins, Florida State
Lavar Edwards, LSU
Malliciah Goodman, Clemson
Corey Grissom, South Florida
Montori Hughes, Tennessee-Martin
John Jenkins, Georgia
Cornelius Washington, Georgia

Linebackers
Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
Zaviar Gooden, Missouri
Nico Johnson, Alabama
Sean Porter, Texas A&M
Chase Thomas, Stanford
Vince Williams, Florida State

Defensive backs
Robert Alford, Southeastern Louisiana
Marc Anthony, California
Sanders Commings, Georgia
Robert Lester, Alabama
Leon McFadden, San Diego State
Bacarri Rambo, Georgia
B.W. Webb, William & Mary
J.J. Wilcox, Georgia Southern
Shawn Williams, Georgia

Specialists
Dustin Hopkins (K), Florida State
Ryan Allen (P), Louisiana Tech
Carson Tinker (LS), Alabama

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Because the North needs to get some players??



Just kidding man...you have to divvy it up somehow and California is a screwed up, divided state.


Plus, how is North Carolina a North state?



Sorry, anything named Carolina is a Southern state or a Southern girl.



Werst Virginia shouldn't be considered a western state IMO.


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I dont know why Glennon gets the hype he does.. i dont think he will be successful in the NFL.




And yet, you're sitting here like everyone else writing on a message board. Tell us what you thought of Colin Kaepernick? When SF drafted him two years ago, I said that it was a GREAT pick (I'm not sure how to go back and find any archives from that time - if they even exists) but was roundly criticized for it.

I think that Glennon will be more successful in the NFL than Brandon Weeden will ever be. I never thought that selecting Weeden was even in consideration but I was wrong. But, the former regime was laughed at for making that selection and rightly so. I don't think that Chudzinski has any inclination to keep Weeden around just because the former regime used a 1st round pick on him.




So, why should turk feel bad about expressing his opinion?

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I dont know why Glennon gets the hype he does.. i dont think he will be successful in the NFL.




And yet, you're sitting here like everyone else writing on a message board. Tell us what you thought of Colin Kaepernick? When SF drafted him two years ago, I said that it was a GREAT pick (I'm not sure how to go back and find any archives from that time - if they even exists) but was roundly criticized for it.

I think that Glennon will be more successful in the NFL than Brandon Weeden will ever be. I never thought that selecting Weeden was even in consideration but I was wrong. But, the former regime was laughed at for making that selection and rightly so. I don't think that Chudzinski has any inclination to keep Weeden around just because the former regime used a 1st round pick on him.




So, why should turk feel bad about expressing his opinion?




I never stated or implied that he should feel bad about it, but when he says that he doesn't know why Glennon gets the hype that he does and then states that he doesn't think that Glennon will be a successful NFL QB.

Maybe he's right, but he certainly is in the minority, which would explain the hype that Glennon gets.

Glennon is a very good QB that has nothing but garbage as targets at NC State. Similar to the what the Browns have had for years upon years upon years and why we start a different QB every year.

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I will say that two things Glennon has going for him are a strong arm and experience in the West coast offense, but it's hard for me to get past the INTs. What, besides the system he played in in college, do you see him having over Weeden?

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Matt Ryan threw 19 INTs his Senior year at BC.


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That's a unique way of hyping up a guy!

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My brother thinks that Mike Glennon is all of that and a bag of chips.

I can't say that I disagree with him. Although I would hate to lose on someone like Werner, if we could trade back and nab Glennon and additional picks (yes, multiple additional picks) then I would do so.

Glennon (#59) was more highly rated than... wait for it... Andrew Luck (68)! They were recruited at the same time.

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I think Glennon has bust-potential written all over him.


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I think Glennon has bust-potential written all over him.




be careful with what u say about Glennon... obviously you don't know what you're talking about since he gets so much hype.

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I never stated or implied that he should feel bad about it, but when he says that he doesn't know why Glennon gets the hype that he does and then states that he doesn't think that Glennon will be a successful NFL QB.

Maybe he's right, but he certainly is in the minority, which would explain the hype that Glennon gets.

Glennon is a very good QB that has nothing but garbage as targets at NC State. Similar to the what the Browns have had for years upon years upon years and why we start a different QB every year.




I will admit he has pretty good deep ball accuracy, but most of the time the guy has no pressure coming at him. In the NFL, he will get blitzed all kind of ways, and you will see him falter. He actually reminds me of Weeden, but with a weaker arm.

At the end of the day, I don't think Glennon will be all that. that's my opinion.


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I will say that two things Glennon has going for him are a strong arm and experience in the West coast offense, but it's hard for me to get past the INTs. What, besides the system he played in in college, do you see him having over Weeden?




Youth. Also, he has had total garbage to throw to in college. He doesn't have a WR, TE or RB that's going to get drafted and he still threw for more than 4000 yards. He wasn't a failure at baseball so he could take up football and get drafted by the Browns at #22 overall at the age of 28.

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My brother thinks that Mike Glennon is all of that and a bag of chips.

I can't say that I disagree with him. Although I would hate to lose on someone like Werner, if we could trade back and nab Glennon and additional picks (yes, multiple additional picks) then I would do so.

Glennon (#59) was more highly rated than... wait for it... Andrew Luck (68)! They were recruited at the same time.

http://dallasnews.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1803


I think Glennon has bust-potential written all over him.




And we all know what to think of what you think.

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be careful with what u say about Glennon... obviously you don't know what you're talking about since he gets so much hype.




It's not about the hype he gets, it's about what he accomplishes with what he has.

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I will admit he has pretty good deep ball accuracy, but most of the time the guy has no pressure coming at him. In the NFL, he will get blitzed all kind of ways, and you will see him falter. He actually reminds me of Weeden, but with a weaker arm.




Bwahahahahahahaha!

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At the end of the day, I don't think Glennon will be all that. that's my opinion.




Okay. You don't think he's all that and reminds you of Weeden, but you're willing to continue with Weeden? Alright. Now that we've established what your opinion is worth.

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again. my opinion. could care less what YOU value my opinion as. like you stated before. We're both sitting on the computer on a message board. You don't make any calls in the league, so that shows how much YOUR opinion is worth.


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Matt Ryan threw 19 INTs his Senior year at BC.



Ryan and Glennon, oddly enough both coached by Tom O'Brien.... coincidence? I know O'Brien left before Ryans senior season, but he was his coach his first few years at BC...


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Matt Ryan threw 19 INTs his Senior year at BC.



Ryan and Glennon, oddly enough both coached by Tom O'Brien.... coincidence? I know O'Brien left before Ryans senior season, but he was his coach his first few years at BC...




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My brother thinks that Mike Glennon is all of that and a bag of chips.

I can't say that I disagree with him. Although I would hate to lose on someone like Werner, if we could trade back and nab Glennon and additional picks (yes, multiple additional picks) then I would do so.

Glennon (#59) was more highly rated than... wait for it... Andrew Luck (68)! They were recruited at the same time.

http://dallasnews.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1803


I think Glennon has bust-potential written all over him.




And we all know what to think of what you think.




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I'm just glad he quit making himself look silly by pimping Jason Campbell like he was ta savior






he still put Jason Campbell in his list of "options" for next year at QB. He didn't note him as a solution anymore, but he's not anyone's option at this point. I let it go there, but you brought it back up and I couldn't pass on it a 2nd time


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again. my opinion. could care less what YOU value my opinion as. like you stated before. We're both sitting on the computer on a message board. You don't make any calls in the league, so that shows how much YOUR opinion is worth.




But you're the one saying that you don't get the hype that Glennon is getting. Well, some people get it and others don't.

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Datone Jones is a player I would love to have. He can/has play/played defensive end and tackle in a 4-3 and OLB in a 3-4. He measured in at 6-4, 280 pounds at the Senior Bowl. He is the exact type of player we will need switching to a "hybrid" defense.

I fear we are drafting too early to get him though as I think he will end up getting drafted in from the mid-teens to the mid-twenties. He would be the guy I would target if we traded down in the draft.

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The emergence of OT Eric Fisher in the SR Bowl practices could be our ticket out of 6 overall, IF we choose to do so and without dropping too far, in fact I think we can do what the Bucs did to us last season and we can squeeze out even more since there's some real interest for the 2nd best OT in the draft and some even think his play could get him past Joeckel.

So even if one of Moore or Milliner drops to no6, we should get plenty of calls from the Chargers and maybe even the Dolphins (Long is toast and they'll let him walk in FA or Tag/trade him to a stupid desperate team like the Bears). Now here's the kicker: The Cards at 7 need Fisher DESPERATELY and the value gap is their high 4th rounder, a borderline top 100 pick which could permit us to take a flyer on a dropping QB or injured prospect like Lattimore or Carradine...and maybe we can force them to overpay since the Chargers would probably offer their 2nd or a future 2nd plus a mid rounder

We would still get our target and extract an extra pick, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? Then again, if Joeckel goes somewhere in the top 3, it's very likely that Fisher goes to the Eagles, but you never know....maybe one of Reid or Chip Kelly goes with Geno Smith. Anyway, Eric Fisher doing good is great for us either way, as he either pushes down some of our BPAs or as trade bait

Some of teh prospects I pimped already impress at the SR Bowl with WR Patton and S Cyprien already trending up...damn. Patton in the 3rd has become a pipe dream already (if it wasn't before) and Cyprien as a late round sleeper is out now too, as he's creeped into mid round discussion.

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But you're the one saying that you don't get the hype that Glennon is getting. Well, some people get it and others don't.



Put me in the don't get it category. What was it Warren Sapp said about Courtney Brown.. he belongs on the all airport team because he looks great getting off the plane but doesn't get it done on the field.. that's the category I put Glennon in... at 6'6" and 230 he really looks the part but I just don't see anything about his game to get excited about. I might get blasted for saying this, but he reminds me a lot of Weeden.. he's ok and he can make some impressive throws but he isn't overly smart about the game, he isn't all that accurate, he isn't all that mobile, but he's big and strong and makes a throw every once in a while that makes you go "Wow"... He's the kind of guy that teams will pass up Russell Wilson for because he looks the part and then regret it later...


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Not even in the same neighborhood...

Glennon:

2011: 6.7yds/PA, 62.5%, 31 TDs, 12 INTs in 453 PAs
2012: 7.1yds/PA, 58.5%, 31 TDs, 17 INTs in 564 PAs (including 2 games vs South Alabama and Citadel where he was a combined 43-58, 74%, 4 TDs, 0INTs)

Weeden:

2010: 8.4yds/PA, 66.9%, 34 TDs, 13 INTs in 511 PAs
2011: 8.4yds/PA, 72.3%, 37 TDs, 13 INTs in 564 PAs

He's much less efficient, much less accurate (Weeden had 3 games under 60% in 2 seasons, none at or under 50%, Glennon had 14! games under 60%, 3 at or under 50%) and even more TO prone and unlike Weeden he hasn't really improved in his 2nd season

Not even close, nice try though

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http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/player/521/1010539/passing/gamelog.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/player/490/1017547/passing/gamelog.html

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I don't get NFLN, but I'd be interested in what you guys think of Zac Dysert, QB, Miami (Oh). I read that he's projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

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ok, I didn't watch Glennon at all, so please help me out here. what type of offense did he run?

Weeden ran a ton of bubble-screens in the OkieState system. If he wasn't completing 60%, then he'd have been benched. Blackmon broke so many tackles to help get his YPA up. It's not a bad thing (that was the offense and he was good at running it), but I want to make sure we are making a fair comparison here.


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This QB class really sucks....Bridgewater, Fales, Murray, McCarron, Boyd and Carr all have 1st round or top 50 written all over them and if any of them would have declared for this draft, they would have been top 10 locks imho. All of them are more efficient and more accurate than this group...Geno Smith is the only QB that can keep up and he's a top 10 lock.

The best pure passer in this class is Tyler Wilson imho, but I wouldn't invest a 1st on him. Bray and L.Jones are somewhat intruiging but have the look of QBs that will flash here and there but just won't make it...maybe even EJ Manuel has a better shot on a rollout Offense. I kinda like Nassib, but he's so "meh" across the board. Dysert? Talk about a prospect where I totally don't see IT....nfl.com has a BigBen comp, instantly lost all credibility....maybe Lombardi was making these grades?

My QB rankings and where I would pick them, if at all...

1. G.Smith....mid-late 1st, after a trade down for at least another top 50 pick + some more
2. T.Wilson.....2nd round, if we get one. Wouldn't pick him as my 1st selection in any scenario.
3. Bray....ok in the 3rd round, would feel much better with a 4th though....he has it all but didn't improve and that's discouraging and probably means he doesn't have it upstairs...boom/bust
4. Nassib...same area as Bray, he's the "safer" version of Bray though. Higher floor, lower ceiling too. Probably just a backup, but has a shot imho.
5. Barkley....same as the 2 guys above. Very similar to Nassib, just on a bigger school. He won't make it this far, so I made sure I would not have to think about him, probably better value on a very similar player with Nassib, who even has some more upside too.
6. L.Jones...ok with a 4th, would like the value better for a 5th though. He's like that shiny toy I never wanted, but when I see the -50% off I find myself thinking to buy it as a smart investment. His stock has dropped but he has improved some this season.
7. EJ Manuel...same as Jones
8. Glennon...I'd roll the dice with a 5th, but anything higher I consider a waste. A less consistent version of Brock Osweiler...hell yeah
9. Sorensen...6th or 7th. I don't know much about him, but he has a funny danish name and supposedly has a big arm. If I feel lucky I'd consider him
10. C.Cameron....7th....perfect backup QB to groom, has some value and will probably have a longer career than half the guys in front of him on that list. Next to no starter upside though.

I wouldn't draft any other QB


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My ideal situation:

1. Trade with Dolphins at 12 and obtain a 2nd round pick.

2. Select OG Warmack at 12.

3. Select DE Alex Okafor in the 2nd round

4. Select CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson in the 3rd round.

5. Select TE DIon Sims in the 4th round.

6. Select OLB Gerald Hodges in the 5th round.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hey d4L,

how's Blidi doing? Tell him that he has to stop impressing people or he will go before we have an opportunity to pick him

Gratz is catching up though and, as I remarked months ago, he's a pretty good prospect too.

Not sure I like your Warmack scenario...picking an interior OL in the 1st ALWAYS is bad value, although he's a monster. You can sign good Gs in FA, but next to no LTs, QBs and pass rushers. We have to make sure to get a pass rusher with our first pick...if we go with Warmack we will be fishing for the 10th or 15th "best" pass rusher...the "next David Veikune". Let's please not replay that 2009 draft


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Eagles should Jason Peters back next year, right?

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From every account Blidi has had an excellent few weeks of practice for the Senior Bowl. He has been told the target area is the late 2nd Round, and he anticipates that his measurables will increase at the combine. He has been told that his intelligence is among the top 3 CBs in the draft, but I think teams may be wary of his tackling ability against the run. I'll try to get more next time I talk with him, but I'm hoping he slips as well!

I agree with your assessment about interior linemen ... but I actually think Warmack will be worth it. If he wouldn't be the choice or we couldn't trade back, I definitely target a pass rusher as well (Moore is my top choice).


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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