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I'll go out on a limb and say that with their vast experience Turner and Hortons opinions will carry as much or more weight than Lombardis. He's just another sounding board there IMO. .

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If King had a source for this information he should have referenced it rather than make some convoluted comment such as this.

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Then you say:

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Looks to me like Banner has been working his media contacts trying to manufacture some positive comments in support of his unpopular pick for GM, Mike Lombardi.

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Got a source? Then you shouldn't make such convoluted comments such as that.

Looks like you pulled your conspiracy theory crap outa the mothballs again.

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Is that supposed to be a positive comment about Mike Lombardi?

Maybe Peter King was tired, dreaming or had a couple of drinks when he arranged the words for this comment ?..."I'll believe that could well have been Lombardi's job"...

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Boy, did King's comments put a damper on your little tantrum, hehe. Clearly that one is sitting in your craw.

I'm not a big believer in Lombardi, but there are people going to bat for him that I did NOT expect. That says something.

Really, too many fans...myself included...often jump to conclusions when we don't know all the story. So many people have made up their minds without honestly knowing what the Hell is going on that it's just stOOpid.

And yeah, that reads exactly how I meant it. Anyone who has their mind made up as to how this thing is going to be structured is FOS. They don't know. To Hell with anyone who dares not make up their minds ahead of time...

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Really, too many fans...myself included...often jump to conclusions when we don't know all the story.

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Conclusions ? LOL... more like Knee jerk, whiny bitchy complaining... You don't know what your talking about.. But I do...LOL...

Damn This negativity and bitching is more than I can handle....For real people say the Browns fans are the best in the land.....Do they mean at arguing with each other..

Got to love message boards... they sure do put the message out....

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He has experience. Also, just for clarification, I don't think Lombardi was the most qualified person for this job. I would probably have hired many people before him if I had my say. I understand why many people take issue with the Lombardi hire, but once a person is a member of the Cleveland Browns I try and find the positives.

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Conclusions ? LOL... more like Knee jerk, whiny bitchy complaining... Damn This negativity and bitching is more than I can handle

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So I take it you didn't find Lombardi's Lost Sea Scroll resume' with which to actually debte the issue?

Shweet....

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that's what I've been thinking and saying, but some folks feel that because he's clearly Banners boy and has the VP title, he'll carry more weight than the HC, DC and OC when it comes to players. I don't believe it.

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We need people that try to stay on the positive side. And as such, we also need people to call it the way they see it.

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F) BAD (among the worst 20%)

G) TERRIBLE (worst 5%)

To me it's something between F) and G), only because there are a handful of bad GMs around but trending G)

So, let's hear and not get lost in semantics...how do you "see it"?

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To me it's something between F) and G), only because there are a handful of bad GMs around but trending G)

So, let's hear and not get lost in semantics...how do you "see it"?

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To me it's something between F) and G), only because there are a handful of bad GMs around but trending G)

So, let's hear and not get lost in semantics...how do you "see it"?

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I see it as C trending to B... even though I have no idea what his board looked like going into each draft, what his recommendations were, who made final decisions on draft picks or any of that.. I still think it's a rising C...

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So you think he's better than roughly 20 out of 31 others at his job...wow, I'm dumbfounded

Any reasoning to this? Because as of now the most positive argument for the dude is that "we don't know if it was HIM that made those crappy picks in his resume"

Maybe you should review his resume another 30 times DC

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Because as of now the most positive argument for the dude is that "we don't know if it was HIM that made those crappy picks in his resume"

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That is just sad, and factual. The only other positives are that he knows people and seems intelligent. I guess when you have all this, there's no point in interviewing anyone else.

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i'm past the hand-wringing with Lombardi. i'm not happy with the hire, he has no past-experience that we can know what it means other than he was part of a team that had some pretty bad drafts.

he never had final say, and he won't have final say here. on a positive, he may have some extra connections gained through his time in the media. hopefully, he can utilize everything while working for the team we all love.

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Why do you seem to insinuate that in order to focus on the positive that you have to make stuff up but to be negative, you can call it the way you see it?

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That's quite easy. I was responding to a poster who himself said he didn't believe that Lombardi was even close to the best candidate after debating the matter with me. Even later in your own post you say because you "want to believe".

I'm not making anything up. If you believe I am maybe you should look at the quotes in the last response I just gave you in the other thread.

Banner has the final say. All football operations go through Banner. Funny thing, Haslam hires both Banner which hires Lombardi. Now some seem to think these guys are gonna collect checks while the coaching staff does the drafting.

And I'm making stuff up?

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I'm calling it the way I see it.. Lombardi's resume is not the total failure that some people want to make it out to be.. He has been hired and re-hired by some very well respected people in this league

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Then people speculate as to what his responsibility/authority may or may not be and say they are calling it like they see it.... and I have found that people who call themselves "realistic" use that as a cover to be negative 99% of the time..

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And I've found that people try to use the label "negative" on people when they have little else with which to try to discredit them with at about the same rate.

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no matter how much they think they know or how much they think their opinion matters or no matter how much better they think THEY could it.......

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I know what was said. I know who has the titles to be in charge of the different jobs. I know who's getting paid to evaluate talent and do the drafting. It's not a first time HC. To indicate otherwise is on helluva huge leap.

I don't think my opinion matters any more than yours does. It also accounts for no less. So you can jump off of that horse pardner.



And I don't think I can do that job. However, I do think I can look at a resume' and have a firm grasp of the obvious.

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being negative all the time would be like reading restaurant reviews, determining that the food at a particular restaurant is going to absolutely suck and then going to eat it anyway.... finding out that its not very good..... not giving it any chance to improve.... then going back again next week..... I don't understand that logic at all.....

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I want to believe that the Browns are making good choice, I want to believe that they are going to get better.. if they don't, there isn't a damn thing I can do about it anyway...

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Well why didn't you tell us that your opinion here was more of a "faith based/'hope'" thing in the first place!!??

If that's what you're going on, I guess there's not much choice other than to turn a blind eye! Thanks for straightening that part out. Things are much clearer now.

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The only other positives are that he knows people and seems intelligent.

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How about this tool not attending the Senior Bowl because he's too busy studying the Browns roster?

This douche is gonna bone us hard.

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No big deal.

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Heckert didn't go to the combine last year. I'm betting all the scouts are there and will have full reports. Also, everything is taped.

No big deal.

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No big deal.

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Lombardi is not Heckert, and the scout team is not Lombardi's.

But say you're correct and it's no big deal, simple question: You've been out of the league for six years and you've just landed a job as the VP of Player Personnel, would you or would you not attend the Senior?

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Yet, the other teams' GMs & coaches are there. Just not us. Cool.

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I'll go on record as saying I like the hire.


I don't really have a opinion at this time other then to say that from my experience, when the board likes someone it goes to crap in a hurry, so now that most are against, it will work against them as well.


I went for Collins and the majority went with the football guy Savage.


I think Lombardi is going to knock it out of the park for us.

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From your .... well ... keyboard to God's ears.

Let's hope so.

I can't do anything about the Browns hiring him so I hope that he turns out to be the superstar he desperately wants to be.

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when the board likes someone it goes to crap in a hurry, so now that most are against, it will work against them as well.

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This is probably his strongest qualification for the job. So far, the list is this:

1.) He might not have had last word on the horrible draft selections he was present for.

2.) He knows a lot of important people

3.) He's intelligent

4.) Most dawgtalkers don't like the hire


Color me excited!

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when the board likes someone it goes to crap in a hurry, so now that most are against, it will work against them as well.

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This is probably his strongest qualification for the job. So far, the list is this:

1.) He might not have had last word on the horrible draft selections he was present for.

2.) He knows a lot of important people

3.) He's intelligent

4.) Most dawgtalkers don't like the hire


Color me excited!

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just what achievements or qualifications does Lombardi really have? If he had anything worth mentioning, you'd think JJ would be very vocal about it to shut the pie holes of us naysayers.

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when the board likes someone it goes to crap in a hurry, so now that most are against, it will work against them as well.

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This is probably his strongest qualification for the job. So far, the list is this:

1.) He might not have had last word on the horrible draft selections he was present for.

2.) He knows a lot of important people

3.) He's intelligent

4.) Most dawgtalkers don't like the hire


Color me excited!

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LOL....I know you're not.


I am not excited about it, but in the past any excitement changed in a hurry.


We don't know all the circumstances from his past. I do know he worked for some strong personalities who IMO weren't shy from making their own draft decisions.

You know for a fact that Lombardi's board was followed by guys like Billy boy and Al Davis??


I am sorry, I don't believe for a minute Janakowsi was Lombardi's pick. Al may have asked him who was the top rated kicker, just like he asked whoever who was the top rated punter on the board, many years before..

Phil Savage, most everybody's hero(at the time, and there was a time) creamed his shorts over a QB from LSU, so let's be real here....just because Lombardi was the guy pigeon holed in to selecting Russell doesn't mean he is a bad scout. I would say nearly every team in the league would have selected him if given the chance. I know your hero Savage would have.( Don't get defensive here, that comment isn't a finger point, you may have disliked him as much as i did, as the archives show if push come to shove.)


The point I am trying to make is you can't just look at a draft and say the guys sucks.

Lot's of credible people think the man is a solid "football guy".

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There's only one sane way to look at this.

Our Yearly Record going forward.

When we start hitting 10-6, 11-5, 12-4, color me a happy camper. And I don't care what these guys do with draft picks. It's working at that point.

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Having said that, I see 2 individuals as of now since reading them that are going to jump right down our FO's throat after the draft. There's a couple of self-proclaimed draft experts on this board. One name starts with an "A" and ends in a "K". The other a "D" and ends with an "O".

We're going to hear all about how we left "Value" on the board or we shoulda taken this guy or that guy. It's all fun but it's ignorance at it's best. You simply cannot grade out any draft before they even hit the field. Three years down the road? Fine. When you can look at individual performance and how well they have matured or not under Coaching at the highest level. That is the only time to effectively grade a draft. But some will do it immediately and I laugh everytime I see it being done.

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I'm letting the record do the talking. Hit on the 1st rounders and I could care less who we take in rounds 2-7 in any year. The record will do the talking for us.

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Again...ignorant at best. If you could care less on 2nd to 7th rounders...imagine this roster without Schwartz, Gordon, Little, Rubin, Ward, Dqwell etc...yeah, just hit on the 1st rounders Every idiot could pick a decent player in teh 1st, the chances are well over 50% to "hit" or stumble upon a solid player just by going with Kiper's board. Good GMs and good teams seperate themselves from bad one's IN those 2nd to 7th rounds and even UDFA

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And I'm telling you guys right now, if we hit about 3 quality Free Agents and hit on our guy at 6 this year, we may just be talking playoffs in 2013. For sure in 2014.

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The only other positives are that he knows people and seems intelligent.

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How about this tool not attending the Senior Bowl because he's too busy studying the Browns roster?

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I don't really have a opinion at this time other then to say that from my experience, when the board likes someone it goes to crap in a hurry, so now that most are against, it will work against them as well.

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I can only speak for myself, but over time I've learned from experience.

The very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over gain expecting different results. In this case there's every reason in the world to think this isn't the right guy for the job.

So for once I'm going to call it the way it is rather than the blind hope of the past. I'm not quite sure that plays into your theory but I hope you are 100% right. That would be the best possible scenario for everyone involved.