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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
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I believe that anything can happen once. I don't expect him to be able to beat the Ravens ...... but hopefully he will.
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They can win if they have the smarts of a pocket passer. Kaepernick is what Tebow would be with proper throwing mechanics.
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
No, because he's not a running QB.. he's a very good throwing QB who can also run.. the 180 yards rushing against the Packers was an anomaly... through the regular season he threw for 4x more yards than he ran for.. and had a QB rating throwing the ball over 98...
I think what we are seeing this year with RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick and even Luck to a lesser example is that the dual threat QB is the wave of the future. I think there will always be room for a pocket guy like Brady or Manning but I'm still not sure there will ever be room for a Tebow (as much as I love the guy) who runs it but can't throw it...
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They can win if they have the smarts of a pocket passer. Kaepernick is what Tebow would be with proper throwing mechanics.
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Dude hasn't even started 10 games in this league...I'm far from sold on him as a passer, although he's been much better than I ever thought he'd be. Throwing to Moss, Crabtree and Davis sure helps though and having Gore as a RB in combination with an excellent run blocking OL in the RedZone too. His passing was all on the back of the running game, off of PA...their running and 2nd half D won the game, not Kaep...he was asked to manage it and did so perfectly
He's a perfect fit for the kind of OL they have...hats off for the courage of taking him as early as they did and developing him properly
Let's see how he looks with a big head and DCs with footage of him to evaluate for months
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
No, because he's not a running QB.. he's a very good throwing QB who can also run.. the 180 yards rushing against the Packers was an anomaly... through the regular season he threw for 4x more yards than he ran for.. and had a QB rating throwing the ball over 98...
I think what we are seeing this year with RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick and even Luck to a lesser example is that the dual threat QB is the wave of the future. I think there will always be room for a pocket guy like Brady or Manning but I'm still not sure there will ever be room for a Tebow (as much as I love the guy) who runs it but can't throw it...
Since when did Donovan Mcnabb, Randall Cunningham, etc rush for as many yards as they threw?
Yet people constantly said those type of guys couldn't win a Super Bowl just because they didn't have one and they blamed their dual threat abilities for them coming up short
The revisionist history on this is laughable
The label wasn't just for Joe Webb it was for accomplished guys who made multiple pro Bowls throwing for far more yards than they ran
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Doesn't matter, some bum in the league office with a computer set the script last night for how the Ravens will win... the refs will all get their copy by this evening.
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I believe that anything can happen once. I don't expect him to be able to beat the Ravens ...... but hopefully he will.
Considering Dilfer, who couldn't run or pass won one, yeah, anything can happen once.
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Revisionist history on what? How do you know what I thought of McNabb and Cunningham?
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Since when did Donovan Mcnabb, Randall Cunningham, etc rush for as many yards as they threw?
Yet people constantly said those type of guys couldn't win a Super Bowl just because they didn't have one and they blamed their dual threat abilities for them coming up short
I don't know who these "people" are.. I never once said those guys couldn't win a super bowl because they ran too much..
McNabb didn't run the ball that much, heck Steve Young ran the ball for more yards than McNabb usually and he did ok in the super bowl... Cunningham, IIRC, ran a lot early in his career and was hurt a lot later in his career, it's hard to say those two things aren't connected.. but Cunningham wasn't the best pocket passer (only 2 years in his career over 90 in QBR) and NEEDED to rely on his running more than the other 2...
Not to mention, the league has changed.. yes there was a day when passing too much was no way to win in football... having your QB run was no way to win in football.. you had to have a great defense to win in football.. lot's of the things people used to think have been revised out of what is commonly believed today..
In fact, I heard Coach Steve Logan (ECU, Boston College, Tampa Bay Bucs) on the radio a few days ago talking about running QBs.. he was referencing a quote Aaron Rodgers had made stating that this whole running QB thing and the read option is a fad that will never last and will never work in the NFL... Coach Logan said that back around 1990 he had Jeff Blake as his QB at ECU.. I don't know whether he "invented" it or not but they ran a ton of no-back sets and Blake threw for a lot of yards and had ECU ranked in the top 10... when NFL scouts would come to watch film almost every one of them told Logan that the no-back set would never work in the NFL, QBs would get killed, etc... Then he talked about how many no-back sets the Packers ran in their first playoff game and it was a lot.. So Rodgers is the product of something that was once considered a fad that would never work in the NFL... funny how that works..
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
No, because he's not a running QB.. he's a very good throwing QB who can also run.. the 180 yards rushing against the Packers was an anomaly... through the regular season he threw for 4x more yards than he ran for.. and had a QB rating throwing the ball over 98...
I think what we are seeing this year with RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick and even Luck to a lesser example is that the dual threat QB is the wave of the future. I think there will always be room for a pocket guy like Brady or Manning but I'm still not sure there will ever be room for a Tebow (as much as I love the guy) who runs it but can't throw it...
Peens been saying this for several years now.. looks like he was right. Got to give the devil his due 
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I can't stand the way this kid dresses or all the tats BUT I really enjoyed watching him play. I found myself asking why we can never get it right at QB?
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How has he dressed if you overlook his tattoos? He is one heck of a player though!
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
I wonder how many of these folks writing that they believe that 'anything can happen once' are the same folks that wanted the Browns to trade everything, including a 4th first round pick to acquire RG3.
I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone, just wondering 'out loud'.
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
No, because he's not a running QB.. he's a very good throwing QB who can also run.. the 180 yards rushing against the Packers was an anomaly... through the regular season he threw for 4x more yards than he ran for.. and had a QB rating throwing the ball over 98...
I think what we are seeing this year with RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick and even Luck to a lesser example is that the dual threat QB is the wave of the future. I think there will always be room for a pocket guy like Brady or Manning but I'm still not sure there will ever be room for a Tebow (as much as I love the guy) who runs it but can't throw it...
Peens been saying this for several years now.. looks like he was right. Got to give the devil his due
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It's not predicting anything. It's being observant to trends.
If everybody in HS and college is playing a spread type O, it won't be long before the NFL goes that way unless they open their own minor league of football and are willing to take the time and money to develop players the way they want to play.
As it is, the NFL takes the players developed for them in the NCAA....and that is for the most part spread option football.
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I find it absurd that analysts/talking heads continue to lump in the Pistol Offense with the Read Option Offense as if they're one and the same. Honestly, you can run the Pistol Offense without having to implement any sort of Option Offense elements. You can have your typical drop back QB run the Pistol Offense and you'd be just fine.
For Colin Kaepernick in SB 47, I believe he has a very legit chance of beating Ray Ray and the "sometimes" slow Ravens D. There are some plays where the Ravens D has looked slow. I believe that if Colin gets into an alley on a run, he can run right by the Ravens LB's.
I believe one key in SB 47 will be the 49ers O-Line (which weighs almost 2000 lbs. combined lol) versus the Ravens Front 7 in the running game.
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Peyton Manning was using the Pistol this season.
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How has he dressed if you overlook his tattoos? He is one heck of a player though!
Oh it's the straight brim cap, the hair cut and the (not sure what it's called) Hip Hop style of dress. My daughter dates a boy (NOT A MAN) that dresses like that an has an attitude, that's probably why I don't like it. Just makes me want to smack the hat off his head. Stupid on my part, but I don't care really.
BUT AGAIN, I love the way the Kid plays. He can pass, he can move and he fights to win.
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his haircut? hahaha... dude has a normal haircut man. and is VERY clean cut. and i have never seen him dress "hood."
different backgrounds do different things..
some people wear slightly oversized flat brimmed hats.. some people wear hats with fish hooks hanging from the brim... at the end of the day its still a hat/cap.
real typical kind of thinking you got there bud.
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Oh it's the straight brim cap, the hair cut and the (not sure what it's called) Hip Hop style of dress. My daughter dates a boy (NOT A MAN) that dresses like that an has an attitude, that's probably why I don't like it. Just makes me want to smack the hat off his head. Stupid on my part, but I don't care really.
BUT AGAIN, I love the way the Kid plays. He can pass, he can move and he fights to win.
Not a fan of tats at all but generally, he seems like a well dressed kid
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Yea, I know his tats are basically Scripture related, which is better than hood/thug related or paying homage to his 5 kids that he never sees by 4 different women.. but in the end, I'm not a fan of covering yourself with tats, even if you have better intentions.
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I wonder how many of these folks writing that they believe that 'anything can happen once' are the same folks that wanted the Browns to trade everything, including a 4th first round pick to acquire RG3.
I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone, just wondering 'out loud'.
I'll let ytown answer for himself but I think you taking his "anything can happen once" comment out of context as it relates to running QBs and what constitutes a "running QB" and their ability to win a super bowl..
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I find it absurd that analysts/talking heads continue to lump in the Pistol Offense with the Read Option Offense as if they're one and the same. Honestly, you can run the Pistol Offense without having to implement any sort of Option Offense elements. You can have your typical drop back QB run the Pistol Offense and you'd be just fine.
Alt had implemented the Pistol at Nevada w/o the read-option until he got Kaep. He then added it into it and is basically what SF has been running. You can run the Pistol without the read-option, but it is specifically that read-option play with it that has been so dangerous for the 49ers this post-season.
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Peyton Manning ran some pistol this year.
I love the formation because it gives you a ton of options.
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and Kurt Warner was apparently the inadvertent inventor (sort of). Ault was being interviewed by a weekend ESPN show before the NFC championship game and he said he noticed that Warner w/ the Rams seemed to float up towards the line more than most QBs. that he wondered what could be done by doing that more drastically and then came upon what Tom Kaczkowski did at Northern Ohio (which is what became the Pistol Offense).
my main point above though was the media is mentioning the read-option so much with it because that is the element of it that is making Kaep even more dangerous from it.
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I wonder how many of these folks writing that they believe that 'anything can happen once' are the same folks that wanted the Browns to trade everything, including a 4th first round pick to acquire RG3.
I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone, just wondering 'out loud'.
I'll let ytown answer for himself but I think you taking his "anything can happen once" comment out of context as it relates to running QBs and what constitutes a "running QB" and their ability to win a super bowl..
Yep. A "running QB" is a very rare thing in the playoffs.
Plus, as many have mentioned, Kaeperkick is more than just a runner at QB. He completed 62% of his passes in the regular season, with 10 TD and 3 INT. He averages 8.32 yards/pass attempt.
He also runs .... but that doesn't seem to be his primary game. (except against the Packers, where he ran wild)
One other thing ..... pocket QBs tend to improve as they get older. I wonder how many running QBs will survive until their 7th, 8th, or 9th years, when pocket QBs who last that long tend to do so because they are still getting better.
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I think a mobile QB as he gets older can get better at passing and therefore run less.
While a pocket passer is always stuck in the poker.
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While a pocket passer is always stuck in the poker.
That sounds painful. 
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hey, all....
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Does he end the perception that "running QBs" can't win a Super Bowl?
Kaepernick has one of the top 5 arms in the entire league (velocity wise).
It's scary to think about how good he can be with a few more years under Harbaugh for as much of a tool I think he is.
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That sounds painful.
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I hate this Super Bowl, I really do. I'm already sick of it.
I have nothing against the Harbaughs, I think they're both tremendous coaches, and it's not their fault, but we are never going to hear the end of it. Hey did you guys know that the coaches of both teams are brothers?
Colin Kaepernick. The constant talking about how the read option is going to take over the NFL and blah blah blah. Don't we do this every 5 or 6 years? These guys don't last. They show up big right away, they get figured out, they take a beating, and then they become Michael Vick.
Ray Lewis. I don't watch much ESPN as it is, because their programming is a joke, but they have assured me of avoiding it altogether. I'll stick to local programming, and watching movies with my free time.
I'm not a huge Super Bowl guy anyway. I think it's the most overrated sporting event of the year. It's more depressing than anything else, because it's the last football game for a long time, and on top of everything else, it shows how far away we are as Browns fans. We've made up some ground, but man we still have quite a ways to go.
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If Colin Kaepernick wins ... I will be very happy 
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I'm going to be watching for the commercials this year.
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If the 49'ers win, Colin Kaepernik will just be one player on that team.
Quarterbacks don't win championships, teams do. If they could, Kosar would have won one. I think just one. But still one.
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Yeah right.
If the 49ers win, it's because Baltimore couldn't stop Kaepernick (more throwing the running also), he'll be MVP, and be pegged as the next great QB etc etc...
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Yep. AND I EXPLAINED WHY I FEEL THIS WAY, so pull your britches up and get along... nothing to cry about here.
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Yep. AND I EXPLAINED WHY I FEEL THIS WAY, so pull your britches up and get along... nothing to cry about here.
I got my big boy pants on.. you explained urself. Well let me explain to you that I think its unfair to feel a certain way about someone based on someone else. That commonly leads to stereotypes.
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They started with gangbanger's I believe is what he is getting at.
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They started with gangbanger's I believe is what he is getting at.
are u serious? please tell me u meant to put that in purple. omg.. this world is a mess if thats what everyone thinks. It's a part of BLACK culture, not gangbangers!
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Hot, please don't try to make me out as a racist or hater... I don't like plaid or corduroy either and I associate them with GEEK culture. BUT my dislike of his style doesn't mean I'm racist. IT MEANS I DON'T LIKE THE STYLE. I think it makes you look like a punk.
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never called u racist.. just saying you are judging him based on someone else. thats it.
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Colin Kaepernick. The constant talking about how the read option is going to take over the NFL and blah blah blah. Don't we do this every 5 or 6 years? These guys don't last. They show up big right away, they get figured out, they take a beating, and then they become Michael Vick.
I disagree.. there was a time when you had throwing QBs and running QBs and the throwing QBs almost always won... now we are finding QBs who can throw and run and are smart enough to read defenses... Steve Young could do it, Randall Cunningham could do it, John Elway could do it... difference is that we are seeing more and more of it.. and in years past QBs were highly discouraged from running, which I think is the big change in philosophy, coaches now are accepting the QB running more and more and exploiting that skill... I don't think it's going to be a monumental immediate shift, but it is headed in that direction to where dual threat QBs are becoming more common.. I don't think we will ever see a pure running QB have success in the NFL and that is the difference, Kaepernick, Griffin, Newton, Wilson, even Luck, can all throw the ball and they are also very good athletes who can run the ball.... and the ones that are having the most early success are the ones who can best read defenses..
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i think running if u are free is the motto for head coaches.. otherwise you end up like RG3..
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I heard the other day that RGIII was not hurt one single time this year on a read option play or a designed run.. every time was either in the pocket or scrambling on a designed pass... now you can argue that the designed runs took a toll on his body and led to injury and you'd probably have a valid point.. but if that's true, then his read option and designed running never got him hurt.
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Back in my drug dealing and gang banging days I used to have quite the collection of hats. My wife informed me that my street cred was gone because I am getting my MBA.  
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I have a hat collection as well.
I just don't like flat brims.
I don't like the way they fit.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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For me they matched all of my clothing, so my baby blue hat would match my baby blue shirt which matched my shoes... That is what the girls liked. What ever would give me more chances with the ladies I would do. lol
Now I am married and my wife controls my clothing options lol
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Not sure why everybody is getting all over the hat thing.. it is a fad that started, from what I could find, with drug dealers and others of that ilk... yes it has since become mainstream but the fact that some people still associate it with drug dealing punks is not totally unfounded... just like the whole sagging pants thing.. it started in prison, it looks stupid and it makes you look like a punk... the kid at the mall with his flat brimmed hat and his sagging pants might be a chemical engineer for Exxon/Mobil for all I know but the outfit still makes him look like a punk...
If he drove a 20 year old pick up, wore a John Deere hat and had a Copenhagen ring on the back pocket of his Wrangler jeans, I would say he looked like a country redneck...
People can dress however they want but as I tell my son, just know that people make judgments based on the way you are dressed...
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I wear Browns gear every day, Browns shoes, shocks, belts, shirts, jerseys, coats, watches, hats, gloves. Everything I grab to wear always matches lol
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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The problem is people are associating wearing flat brimmed hats as criminals,(drug dealers and gangbangers) which is wrong. I am simply stating that just because a person wears certain clothes does not make the person. People who seriously think that way are small minded. I agree with what you tell your son, perception is important and that is good advice. My beef is how people judge, and particularly judging people as criminals for wearing flat brimmed hats.
Using the urban dictionary as a reference of how a fad started it is pretty comical.
Can research the true origins of how Mohawks(hair) were started?
Or origins of how “memes” became in existence?
Or the popular phrase “BooYa”?
What about a tucking your shirt in?
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The problem is people are associating wearing flat brimmed hats as criminals,(drug dealers and gangbangers) which is wrong.
I'm sure in most cases it is.... if I see a girl in too much make-up, her cleavage hanging out, a real short skirt, fish net stockings and 4" heels, I think she looks like a whore.. doesn't mean she is, just means she looks like one..... the chick in the business suit might be much worse, I don't know... Some things have common perceptions about them.. if you don't care, then where it any way... but if you don't want anybody to think you look like a drug dealer, then take the stickers off your hat and pull your pants up... pretty simple really.
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I am simply stating that just because a person wears certain clothes does not make the person. People who seriously think that way are small minded.
It does not make the person... but it does contribute a lot to the first impression that somebody has before they get to know the person and in many cases will determine whether or not they even want to get to know the person...
You said it yourself, you wore the hat, the matching shirt, the matching shoes.. why? Because that's what the girls seemed to like.. it made the first impression they were looking for and they judged you based on that.... inside you could have been an MBA student or a serial killer, they didn't know but something about what you were wearing led them to want to get to know you... we all make little judgments about people we don't know all the time based on what they wear to what they drive to how they talk.... everybody does it.. everybody. so if you think everybody has a small mind, then I guess that is your opinion...
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My beef is how people judge, and particularly judging people as criminals for wearing flat brimmed hats.
I'm not sure who makes that broad of a leap, could be people out there who do it, not sure.... Just because a lot of thugs do it doesn't make everybody who does it a thug..... I just don't like the way it looks...
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Using the urban dictionary as a reference of how a fad started it is pretty comical.
Glad you found humor in it... as I said right before I posted it, take this for what its worth... if you have an alternate version of how the fad started, I'll read it. I wasn't going to spend a lot of time researching it.
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my pharmacist doesn't wear a hat at all...must be an Indiana thing.
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my pharmacist doesn't wear a hat at all...must be an Indiana thing.
Neither does mine but I have seen her in 4" heels.. she must be a slut. 
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my pharmacist doesn't wear a hat at all...must be an Indiana thing.
Neither does mine but I have seen her in 4" heels.. she must be a slut.
well what color were the heels? 
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j/c
story behind the artist of Kaep's ink.
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my pharmacist doesn't wear a hat at all...must be an Indiana thing.
Neither does mine but I have seen her in 4" heels.. she must be a slut.
Got her number? Im asking for a friend...
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