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The other thread is nine pages. I figured this article would be a good jumping off point as it adds a new name to the discussion and continues with the ones that have been discussed recently: Quote:
NEW ORLEANS, La. - Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, who is in New Orleans to attend Super Bowl festivities, indicated today that the Browns will likely bring in a quarterback to compete with Brandon Weeden for the starting job.
"I think Norv and Chud have been very open that they like a lot of what Brandon (Weeden) does, but we're going to have competition at that position, and I think competition makes us all better and we'll see where that competition comes from,'' Haslam said after the Walter Payton Man of Year Finalist press conference, where Browns left tackle Joe Thomas is a finalist along with Dallas' Jason Witten and Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald.
Two high-profile veteran quarterbacks expected to become available are 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, who said he loved playing for Browns offensive coordinator Norv Turner; and Eagles quarterback Michael Vick, who was with Browns CEO Joe Banner in Philadelphia. Banner likes Vick, according to sources.
Haslam said the Browns will dabble in free agency, beginning March 12, but probably won't make a huge splash.
"The coaches and Mike (Lombardi) and Joe (Banner) and our entire team are looking over the current crop of free agents, and they're studying and we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are,'' Haslam said.
"They're going to look at free agency and we're going to look at the draft, and I think we'll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there's some talent out there that matches our needs and it's at the right dollar level, then I think we'll probably make some moves.
"I don't think you'll see us making any big splashy, high-priced moves because I think we've said all along we're going to build through the draft.''
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I think Vick is a more realistic option than Smith for a few reasons. One, he will only cost money, not picks. Two, he would better fit the aggressive offense that has been described to us.
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I can't stress enough how much I hate the thought of Vick coming to Cleveland..
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I can't stress enough how much I hate the thought of Vick coming to Cleveland..
The entire board said the same thing for months about Lombardi. You'll get used to it in, umm, 2 minutes and write apology lovefests of how much better than Weeden he is  
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Another (obvious) thought I just had.
Haslam saying this implies a few things:
1) Weeden and McCoy will compete for the job.
2) Weeden and someone not currently on the roster will compete for the job.
I don't think we would bring in a established QB and force him to compete for the job.
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The entire board said the same thing for months about Lombardi.
I didn't.. I said I have my reservations but I'm willing to give the guy a chance.. (what choice do I have really?)
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Not likely. I've never been a big fan of Vick the person, even going back to before the dog fighting stuff.. and I've been even less of a fan of Vick the football player... The guy had 1 good year out of about 10 that I would consider to be a real good year as a QB. He's flashy, he makes some highlight reel runs and the occasional wow throw but I don't see anything that says "consistent winner" in the way he plays. I think he hit his head on his ceiling a couple years ago and he will never come close to doing that again... I'll take Weeden... you can bookmark or archive this if you want... 
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I can't stress enough how much I hate the thought of Vick coming to Cleveland..
I hate the idea of either guy winding up in Cleveland.
I suspect that we will wind up with DA as a "competitor".
I also suspect that if we are bringing in a competitor for Weeden ..... then McCoy's days are numbered. I wonder if we'll be able to get anything for him?
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then McCoy's days are numbered. I wonder if we'll be able to get anything for him?
I doubt it. Any team that had any interest at all knows he's going to be available soon so they aren't going to give you anything for him... I can think of a few teams where he would be an upgrade as a backup... but I don't think those teams are going to part with anything to get him.
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I'd rather have Vick than Smith...
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then McCoy's days are numbered. I wonder if we'll be able to get anything for him?
I doubt it. Any team that had any interest at all knows he's going to be available soon so they aren't going to give you anything for him... I can think of a few teams where he would be an upgrade as a backup... but I don't think those teams are going to part with anything to get him.
Who knows? Maybe a good team, like the Pack, might want to try and get him instead of hoping that he falls past almost every team during the waiver process? They have Graham Harrell as their backup, and God help them if Rodgers went down for any period of time. I think that this type of team is our best hope of getting anything out of McCoy.
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When is the last time Vick played behind a line as good as ours?
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I could see him backing up a guy like Russell Wilson but the Seahawks have way too much invested in Flynn to do anything.. I agree it would have to be a good team with few needs that is willing to give up anything at all for a back-up QB.
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What difference does it make really? The weakest part of his game is standing in the pocket, reading the defense, and throwing a nice accurate timing route.
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What difference does it make really? The weakest part of his game is standing in the pocket, reading the defense, and throwing a nice accurate timing route.
Not when he has time... In 2010 or whatever it was he looked great when plays actually had a chance to develop, the past 2 years the Eagles O-line has been horrible.
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Not when he has time... In 2010 or whatever it was he looked great when plays actually had a chance to develop, the past 2 years the Eagles O-line has been horrible.
Using 2010 as a defense for Vick is like using 2007 as a defense for DA... Vick had not had a year even close to it in 7 years prior nor has he had one close to it in the 2 years since. So which player should I assume he would be if he came here? The one from 2010 or the one from 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012?
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Vick will probably never have another passing season as successful as he had in 2010, but it's his legs that make him so dynamic. When healthy, I would take Vick over any of the QBs we've had since 1999.
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Either Vick or Smith would be stop gaps.. Neither is the long term answer for us.
My guess is, they'll bring someone in that isn't as known but they feel has a big upside and let him compete with Weeden. I fully expect that McCoy is gone, but I actually think that Lewis has a chance to be somewhere in the mix.
I guess if they feel that Weeden isn't the answer, then Vick or Smith make sense as the stop gap. But otherwise, I don't get the attraction.
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It's an obvious thing to say, but as of right now I think we stay with Weeden and McCoy as our QBs. They will compete and whoever Chud and Norv likes better will start.
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When healthy, I would take Vick over any of the QBs we've had since 1999.
That's like being the prettiest pig in the pen...
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Ok.. but a 33 year old QB that has to rely on his legs? There is a reason the saying in the NFL is, "There's no such thing as an old running quarterback"...
I just don't see the upside to taking on a 33 year old Vick.. A 36 year old Manning I can understand, he wins with his brain and his accuracy.. but Vick? I don't see what the upside is other than maybe getting a few more Browns highlights on SportsCenter for a year or two.....
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It's an obvious thing to say, but as of right now I think we stay with Weeden and McCoy as our QBs. They will compete and whoever Chud and Norv likes better will start.
I'm calling my shot now.
I think EJ Manuel is the Browns starting QB in week1 (keeping with our tradition of having a new week1 starting QB nearly every year since '99).
Trade-Up to the 2nd round to get him.
2013 EJ Manuel???
2012 Brandon Weeden
2011 Colt McCoy
2010 Jake Delhomme
2009 Brady Quinn
2008 Derek Anderson
2007 Charlie Frye (1 half only, but he was the guy who started)
2006 Charlie Frye
2005 Trent Dilfer
2004 Jeff Garcia
2003 Kelly Holcomb
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Michael Vick has one of the strongest arms in football, and he was at his best when he was able to hit Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin downfield. When he had an OL, the defense had to stretch so far back that the field was uncoverable. If his arm his still strong he can still be a productive quarterback even if his mobility is compromised. Gordon and Benjamin can stretch the field if we have plays in the playbook that call for it. Look at Randall Cunningham as a model... he completely reinvented his career in Minnesota.
That being said, I still think Weeden will be our opening day starter and I'm OK with that. I'm with the crowd that thought he'd be much better-suited to a pocket/downfield passing game than the WCO. Though some of his bad misses on open deep routes last year do give me some reservations.
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Bleh.
From everything I have read about Manuel, he has a big, strong arm, and struggles with reading a defense, going through progressions, has iffy mechanics and poor footwork, and has spotty accuracy ............ plus he played a very weak schedule. 23 TD against a really, really weak schedule is not all that impressive to me.
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Bring back Timmuh.... As much as I hate to say it, I've got this nagging feeling that we draft a QB this year. I just pray pray pray its with the 3rd round pick and not the first. That Glennon kid seems to fit the "Air Turner" system. He's likely a 2nd or 3rd round grade. I saw him in the Senior Bowl. Looked decent.
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Bleh.
From everything I have read about Manuel, he has a big, strong arm, and struggles with reading a defense, going through progressions, has iffy mechanics and poor footwork, and has spotty accuracy ............ plus he played a very weak schedule. 23 TD against a really, really weak schedule is not all that impressive to me.
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Bleh.
From everything I have read about Manuel, he has a big, strong arm, and struggles with reading a defense, going through progressions, has iffy mechanics and poor footwork, and has spotty accuracy ............ plus he played a very weak schedule. 23 TD against a really, really weak schedule is not all that impressive to me.
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spotty accuracy? FSU doesn't run nearly as many bubble-screens as is commonplace in college football yet he had a 68% completion%. I like his accuracy on the deep ball as well. he also was MOP of the Senior Bowl.
yes, he played in the ACC and struggled in the game vs. Florida, so competition is definitely a factor to consider last season. he also does have a strange delivery but his footwork looks fine to me.
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DC.. u acting like Vick is just str8 garbage...
I'd also take Vick over any other QB we have had since 99.... even an older Vick is STILL a threat with his feet, and he can put the ball wherever u need it.
Vick wouldn't be a long-term answer, bc I truly believe we wait and get "our" guy in next years draft when theres a TON of QBs to choose from.
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Bleh.
From everything I have read about Manuel, he has a big, strong arm, and struggles with reading a defense, going through progressions, has iffy mechanics and poor footwork, and has spotty accuracy ............ plus he played a very weak schedule. 23 TD against a really, really weak schedule is not all that impressive to me.
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Were you talking about Weeden?
We don't have to invest anything further in Weeden. He's already here.
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cleve, respect your opinion, but I don't think Vick is all that good.. he had one really good year which I won't dispute... I would dispute whether I thought he could ever do it again..
As far as comparisons to Randall Cunningham.. I believe you are correct. in his first season in MN, he would have been about 33 or 34 and he started 3 games because he got hurt, then he had one really good year and the next year he started 6 games because he got hurt... reference my comment on "old running quarterbacks"...
But I'm not really all that concerned about the stats and the running.. Vick is not the long term answer, even if he does play better than Weeden (which is debatable if he would) he's a 1 or 2 year band-aid at best... and I want to find our long term answer at QB.... long term being at least the next 5 years...
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He would be one of those really cool band-aids with the cartoon characters on the outside at least. Alex Smith would just be a normal flesh colored band-aid.
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He would be one of those really cool band-aids with the cartoon characters on the outside at least. Alex Smith would just be a normal flesh colored band-aid.
but, would he be the same kind that peels off if it gets wet at all or would he be the "athletic" kind that actually continues to stick
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The only thing I'll say about Vick is that he's fun to watch.
And football to me is meant to be a form of entertainment.
If he's here cool. If not fine. I like Weeden and think he'll be good this year.
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I would be really surprised if Vick landed here.
So would I. Vick even at his age is perfect for the read option offense. It will probably add a few more years to his career imo. He may not be as fast as he was, but he can still move.
As far as Banner liking him, Ive never seen any evidence of that. By all accounts McNabb went to Reid who then brought in Vick.
Vick is the prototypical player banner is known for playing hardball with. Early to mid 30s hasnt made a splash lately etc etc.
There seem to be alot of myths floating around this board that have absolutely no basis in reallity or facts to back them up.
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Vick has really just had one, arguably two great years in the NFL. In 2010, he threw 21 TDs and 6 interceptions. He's had one more year, back with Atlanta, where he threw 20 TDs. He has a career QB rating of 80. He is injury prone. Oh, and he electrocutes and drowns dogs after forcing them to attack each other.
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DC.. u acting like Vick is just str8 garbage...
I'd also take Vick over any other QB we have had since 99.... even an older Vick is STILL a threat with his feet, and he can put the ball wherever u need it.
Vick wouldn't be a long-term answer, bc I truly believe we wait and get "our" guy in next years draft when theres a TON of QBs to choose from.
He's great, he's terrific All wonderful, But what's he won?
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Why would Smith be a stop gap?
Smith is a year younger than Weeden and if that is the case... Weeden was a stop gap last year.
Vick is terrible and past his abilities to still play at a high level.
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Why would Smith be a stop gap?
Smith is a year younger than Weeden and if that is the case... Weeden was a stop gap last year.
Vick is terrible and past his abilities to still play at a high level.
I understand that smith is younger than Weeden,, but he just lost his job to a rookie. Now I could be wrong here, but for me, that says a ton. Smith didn't really become effective until turner got to SF. So maybe that's the difference. Maybe that will be why Smith is upgrade.
Myself, I think that Weeden will be better in his second year and that with the help of Turner and Chud, he's got greater teachers than he had.
Since I don't know what it would take to get Smith (I assume a trade needs made and that costs something, most likely picks) I'd rather use Weeden as my stop gap (and who knows, maybe he's the real deal)
Again, a rookie took Smiths job.. what's that say?
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If we can bring in Jake Delhomme, i don't see the problem with bringing in Vick other than the fact most people don't like him b/c of his off the field issues.
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I don't think "not liking" Vick for his off-field issues puts it in strong enough terms. "Reviled" or "repulsed" might be more accurate, at least in my mind. If being a fan of a team were like being married, Vick would be a homewrecker. I simply couldn't root for him, I think he's a sociopath.
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Why would Smith be a stop gap?
Smith is a year younger than Weeden and if that is the case... Weeden was a stop gap last year.
Vick is terrible and past his abilities to still play at a high level.
I understand that smith is younger than Weeden,, but he just lost his job to a rookie. Now I could be wrong here, but for me, that says a ton. Smith didn't really become effective until turner got to SF. So maybe that's the difference. Maybe that will be why Smith is upgrade.
Myself, I think that Weeden will be better in his second year and that with the help of Turner and Chud, he's got greater teachers than he had.
Since I don't know what it would take to get Smith (I assume a trade needs made and that costs something, most likely picks) I'd rather use Weeden as my stop gap (and who knows, maybe he's the real deal)
Again, a rookie took Smiths job.. what's that say?
That says a lot about people that want Vick as well.
Kapernick is a beast...
98 QB rating 1800 yards passing 10 TD's # INTs 62% completion 8.32 AVG
415 yards rushing 5 TD's
I wanted the Browns to get him. My dad (lives in Reno) was talking about a few years ago and said he would be a great QB.
Weeden has to improve if he ever wants to continue to be a starter in the NFL. 28 QBs were rated better then him and 4 were rookies and I think total 6 were first year starters.
Plus this is hot off the press:
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Browns owner: Brandon Weeden to compete for QB job
New Cleveland Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski made it clear at offensive coordinator Norv Turner's introductory press conference that it's "premature" to install incumbent Brandon Weeden as the starting quarterback.
Although Weeden's strong arm is well-suited to Chudzinski's vertical, downfield passing attack, owner Jimmy Haslam reaffirmed to reporters in New Orleans that the Browns will stage a quarterback competition this year.
"I think Norv and Chud have been very open that they like a lot of what Brandon (Weeden) does," Haslam said. "But we're going to have competition at that position. And I think competition makes us all better, and we'll see where that competition comes from."
The Browns' front office is "studying" their options in free agency, the trade market and the draft. San Francisco 49ers trade bait Alex Smith "loved" playing for Turner during the coordinator's one-year stint in the Bay Area. Considering his history with team president Joe Banner, Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick could also be an option. Browns backup quarterback Colt McCoy is reportedly in Cleveland's plans for the 2013 season, but his skill-set is a poor fit for Chudzinski's offense.
If we were setting the odds, it would be less than 50-50 that Weeden opens the season as the Browns' starting quarterback a year after the organization reached for him as a "panicked" first-round draft pick.
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