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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The new regime in charge of the Cleveland Browns has done nothing to cement Brandon Weeden's status as the franchise quarterback and that's just fine with him.
After a rocky rookie season, Weeden is eager for the competition that new owner Jimmy Haslam has predicted prior to next season.
"I expect competition. That's the way professional sports are. Unless you're Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or these guys, you might as well expect for somebody to try to come take your job," Weeden said Friday during an appearance at Oklahoma Christian University. "That's part of the business. But it's also the fun part. You get to compete and try to be a winner."
Weeden threw for 3,385 yards with 14 touchdowns and 17 interceptions last season after being the No. 22 draft pick out of Oklahoma State. The Browns won just five games last season, with the new ownership group getting rid of coach Pat Shurmur, general manager Tom Heckert and team president Mike Holmgren.
New coach Rob Chudzinski has called it "premature" to name Weeden the starting quarterback for next season, and Haslam suggested someone will be brought in to go against Weeden. Cleveland has the No. 6 pick in this year's draft or could pursue another quarterback by trade or in free agency.
"We're talking about a multibillion-dollar corporation, essentially," Weeden said. "There's going to be changes. Obviously, we've already seen some. But there's going to be competition. The guys that drafted me are no longer there, so I fully expect there to be competition. I would want competition. I want to go into camp and compete. If I had won 10 or 11 games last year, that may not be the case, but we weren't able to get that done."
Weeden said he's working tirelessly to improve his game, although he hasn't been able to coordinate much with Chudzinski or offensive coordinator Norv Turner, who was brought in after being fired as the San Diego Chargers' coach after last season.
"I'm going to be learning a totally different offense. It's going to be completely different than what we did last year," Weeden said. "But we all are; it's not just me. Being the quarterback, I think you want to have as much contact with those guys as possible. You're just not able to talk football. I've talked to them a couple times, but it's been very limited."
Weeden said he's impressed with Turner's resume, including his work with Philip Rivers in San Diego, and he chatted with Troy Aikman about his time with Turner during the Dallas Cowboys' heyday.
"He thinks highly of Norv, and I think every guy that's ever played for Norv Turner has always come away extremely impressed and become not only friends but just he's their mentor. He's been one of the best in the game for a long time," Weeden said. "A lot of people regard him as one of the best play-callers of all time — definitely in the game today — so it's going to be exciting playing for him."
Weeden made the appearance to bring attention to his effort with The Children's Hospital Foundation, hoping to raise funding for an endowed chair position that could attract a pediatric heart surgeon to Oklahoma City. One of his wife's co-workers has a 6-year-old son, Gavin, who required three surgeries after being essentially born with half a heart, and the family had to fly to San Diego to get treatment after a local surgeon relocated there.
"We just don't have a pediatric surgeon, and we need to find a way to get that done," said Weeden, who raised $90,000 for the cause last year and is planning a golf tournament and other fundraisers to bring in more this summer.
Before bringing Gavin to the microphone, Weeden recalled the high and low points of his first season and said he's absolutely looking forward to no longer being a rookie. The highlight, he said, was a victory over rival Pittsburgh even though he missed the end of the game with a concussion and didn't get to celebrate.
His wake-up calls to NFL reality came when he decided not to wear a rib protector in a game against Green Bay and got hit so hard on a sack that he lost his breath long enough that he couldn't call the signals on the next play, and when Baltimore's Ray Lewis leveled him after he released a pass and then stood over him.
Those were only part of the maturing experience for the 29-year-old Weeden.
"I think as a quarterback, you have so much going on around you. There's so much demand, I guess, is the best way to put it," he said. "You not only worry about learning our offense. You've got to study film on them. There's so much demand on the quarterback position, it actually went by fast. Everybody talks about a rookie wall. I didn't even hit a rookie wall because I didn't have time to."
In that whirlwind, he also never felt that he became a team leader, and he wants to change that in his second year.
"Now, this year, that's my job," he said. "Now, it's my offense and it's my turn to kind of take the lead and be the leader."
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
I agree Damanshot, though I know the basis for the criticism is that he's 29 years old. But even a 29 year old has to make the adjustment from college to the NFL, and I felt like I saw enough to think he could take a big step next year.
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
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I agree Damanshot, though I know the basis for the criticism is that he's 29 years old. But even a 29 year old has to make the adjustment from college to the NFL, and I felt like I saw enough to think he could take a big step next year.
Oh I understand that, he's 29 and doesn't have the time to be groomed like a 24 year old. He's gotta speed up the learning curve.
But he mistakes he made, lots of rookies made them.
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If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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One thing that stood out to me in the article... is he used future tense in learning a new offense and coordinating with turner.
I would think that he would be on it now.... not in the future.
I'm sorry... I didnt like the kid coming out of college and after 16 games all he's shown is that he has a big arm. too many flaws not to seek out a better option and too errogant/cocky for me. He won 1 more game than the year before with all the new talent we brought in on offense.
We absolutely need to trade or find a FA or bring back McCoy. Weeds is not the answer. This team has enough talent and is primed to make a run at the playoffs next year.
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Teams arent allowed to have any contact with players right now, which is a stupid rule that hurts the game and it is especially bad for young QBs as this used to be the time they learned the most with the 1 on 1 time with the coaches.
As for Weeden being cocky, I am fine with it if he can back it up. Hopefully Norv has Aikman teaching weeden a bit about this offense.
I kinda expect DA to be brought back and I also expect a QB to be drafted. Honestly Weeden is probaby the only QB on this roster that will be here come September.
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The fact that you think this team has a better chance of making the playoffs with Colt starting (regardless of Offense we're running, which Colt would be horrible in) than Weeden...
Wow..
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Mourg~ Are u postivie about that? I know that ws the case a couple years ago in the lockout. I'll takee your word and agree that it is stupid.
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I think they are allowed to have contact, they just aren't allowed to have workouts. Chud has said that McCoy and Jackson have both been at the facility and he has talked to both of them.
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
Dude is 29 years old and isn't an established QB. He should worry about his job.
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
I just want the QB to be more mature and better than Russel Wilson.
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If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl...
To be fair, Crabtree was mugged in the end zone with under 2 minutes left in the game. Should have been SF ball at the 1 with a first down.
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I thought after the collective bargaining agreement there is a period where players arent allowed in the facility and arent allowed to have contract with the coaches for a month or two.
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
I just want the QB to be more mature and better than Russel Wilson.
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I thought after the collective bargaining agreement there is a period where players arent allowed in the facility and arent allowed to have contract with the coaches for a month or two.
You are correct but it starts sometime after free agency begins
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People point to a lot of flaws in Weedens game. I mean, don't most rookies make those mistakes? Or, are only Browns QB's supposed to be perfect.
Just wondering.
I don't think anyone expected Weeden to be "perfect".
What I think many of us wanted to see was progress over the course of the season. More chemistry and production as the season progressed.
Now I'm not down on Weeden. I am however disappointed that from early in the season, I didn't really see much difference than late in the season. I saw him as being rather stagnant. That's the entire issue to me.
If the former regime were still here, I think there would be a much higher probability that Weeden would remain our starter. People can say what they will but Weeden was "their guy". So the odds greatly favor them giving him another year.
But in all honesty, the new regime may be looking at the evidence on tape that Weeden progressed and grew over the course of the season. From my eye test, he started off badly, progressed and peaked at mid-season, then actually digressed from there.
So while I don't advocate Weeden being replaced this coming season, I try to be realistic in what the new regime sees and is looking for. In Weedens favor, I believe he is much better suited for a downfield game than the WCO. But let's look at other factors.
1. Did not seem to progress at reading D's.
2. His accuracy was spotty/streaky
3. He peaked mid-season and digressed from there.
Now both Norv and Chud can get a lot out of a QB. And Weeden is far more likely to do better in the vertical game IMO. But if they don't like what they see on film, they are in no way tied to Weeden.
And then we must ask ourselves, whose decision will it be anyway in regards to keeping Weeden?
I don't really have a horse in the race here. I would have no problem giving Weeden another year as our starter. I could also understand if they decided to go in another direction based on what I have posted above.
So bottom line, I think the jury is out here. He is 29 years old and it seemed most felt he would need to improve steadily and look strong late last season. That simply didn't happen.
So while it's true that Weeden was a rookie last season, with his age, you would have to expect a more mature player with the mental ability to make adjustments and improve rapidly.
This entire thing rests upon the new regime and they have no ties to Weeden. So to me, the jury is far from being in on the direction they will take IMO
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I don't think anyone expected Weeden to be "perfect".
You couldn't prove that from what you read on here LOL
You'd think that he was a totally lost pick.
My only real concern for Weeden is age. He doesn't have the time to grow into the job. He's either gotta get it quick or get out quick.
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But, D, haven't you been reading the boards? There are many who adamantly deny his age is any kind of factor. 
Yup, either the light comes on for Weeden now or he's out. Based on all the silence, it's pretty obvious that this regime isn't in love with the guy. They may actually have already decided they want to get their own QB. Regardless of how they feel, it's now or never for him, as big strides are made and he gets another crack at the gig or he falters and he's toast.
I'd love to see him get upset at the perceived slight and turn the corner.
If there's any OC in the NFL that can get the most out of him it's Turner. If Norv can't coax the greatness out of him there isn't any greatness in there to be had.
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But, D, haven't you been reading the boards? There are many who adamantly deny his age is any kind of factor.
Yup, either the light comes on for Weeden now or he's out. Based on all the silence, it's pretty obvious that this regime isn't in love with the guy. They may actually have already decided they want to get their own QB. Regardless of how they feel, it's now or never for him, as big strides are made and he gets another crack at the gig or he falters and he's toast.
I'd love to see him get upset at the perceived slight and turn the corner.
If there's any OC in the NFL that can get the most out of him it's Turner. If Norv can't coax the greatness out of him there isn't any greatness in there to be had.
LOL, you crack me up sometimes Toad..
Yeah, I heard that talk and to a degree it's true if he can catch on and "GETS IT" quick.
He just doesn't have the time to grow into the job.
Weeden has a cannon for an arm. if, Norv can coax him into accuracy, then we could have something in him that gives us time to find the QB that runs this team for 10+ years when Weeden hangs them up.
If not, man are we in trouble.....
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Yup, either the light comes on for Weeden now or he's out. Based on all the silence, it's pretty obvious that this regime isn't in love with the guy. They may actually have already decided they want to get their own QB. Regardless of how they feel, it's now or never for him, as big strides are made and he gets another crack at the gig or he falters and he's toast.
I'd love to see him get upset at the perceived slight and turn the corner.
If there's any OC in the NFL that can get the most out of him it's Turner. If Norv can't coax the greatness out of him there isn't any greatness in there to be had.
My best guess about Weeden's chances of starting for the Browns is that it is low. He will have competition, and whoever is that competition already has the edge on him. He'll have to take the job from whoever his competition is. Whether that's McCoy & Lewis and/or someone else remains to be seen, but whoever they are, one of them has the inside track to be the Browns starter over Weeden next season. Just my deciphering skills at work (for what that's worth to anyone). As I haven't heard much being ballyhooed about any other players, I'm not going to comment on those positions just yet.
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Whomever the competition is, you can bet McCoy's not in the picture.
Had he been the guy, the FO wouldn't have announced it the way they did.
This competition is going to come from the outside. They know who they have targeted, but luckily for everyone they know how to keep their cards close to the vest.
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I think age is a big factor when your talking about Weeden. Like someone else said.... a lot on this board deny that fact.
It is much easier to work with and change mechanics when they are a true rookie out of college. But when the guy is almost 30, you can tweek him but its hard to change what you have been doing for so many years.... in any sport.
If he showed definite progression, that would be one thing. But he digressed and proved to be much less accurate than ppl thought.
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Around the NFL: Browns may be looking for another Gannon By Steve Doerschuk CantonRep.com staff writer Posted Feb 09, 2013 @ 05:45 PM Michael Lombardi was party to one of the great — one of the few — quarterback reclamation projects in recent NFL history. Lombardi joined the Raiders in 1998 as a right-hand man to Al Davis. The team had moved up the coast and down in the standings. The last year in L.A. was 1994, when the Raiders went 9-7. In Oakland, they slipped to 8-8 and then to 7-9 and finally to 4-12 in 1997. Their ascent began with the thoroughly uninspiring signing of quarterback Rich Gannon. He was 32 when he arrived — it was Lombardi’s second year — in 1999. Gannon had bounced around, winning a starting job here and there, basically getting nowhere. In his final game with the Kansas City Chiefs, a 28-7 loss to the Giants, he went 7-of-16 for 79 yards, with two interceptions and two sacks. His head coach, Marty Schottenheimer, resigned after a 7-9 season. Gannon moved on to Oakland. The Raiders went 8-8 in his first year, then won three straight AFC West titles. In 2002, Gannon passed for 4,689 yards, led the Raiders to a Super Bowl, and was named NFL MVP. Now Lombardi is the personnel chief of the Cleveland Browns. There is a big decision to make at quarterback. Prospects in the draft are drab. The choice would appear to be between Brandon Weeden (perhaps in a competition with Colt McCoy) or in finding the next Gannon. The latter approach would entail a plunge into free agency, unless, say, Lombardi is convinced he must trade what it takes to land San Francisco’s Alex Smith. The free-agent prospects have all of the lackluster appeal of Gannon’s pre-Oakland career with no way to predict a Gannon-style emergence. But then, Lombardi is getting paid to see what most others do not: untapped potential. Our view of the top five free-agent quarterbacks, such as the list is: • Matt Moore, 28, succeeded Derek Anderson as a starter at Oregon State. He is 13-12 as an NFL starter (Panthers, Dolphins), although he didn’t start at all with Miami in 2012. • Anderson, 29, was 10-5 for coordinator Rob Chudzinski with the 2007 Browns, but otherwise is 8-20 as an NFL starter. In his three most recent seasons of substantial activity, he put up passer ratings of 66.5 with the 2008 Browns, 42.1 with the 2009 Browns and 65.9 with the 2010 Cardinals. He was Cam Newton’s backup in Carolina, under a coordinator who goes by “Chud,” in 2012. • Chase Daniel, 26, has been Drew Brees’ understudy in New Orleans. Some see a little Brees in him. In that he has thrown only nine passes in four Saints seasons, the only thing certain is that he is as little as Brees, at 6-foot. • Rex Grossman, 32, has a career record of 25-22 and has started in a Super Bowl. A red flag: When Robert Griffin III couldn’t answer the bell at Cleveland in December, the Redskins opted to go with rookie Kirk Cousins over Grossman. • Tarvaris Jackson, 29, is 17-17 as an NFL starter (Vikings, Seahawks). Seattle signed Matt Flynn and drafted Russell Wilson in 2012, even though Jackson was 5-3 for the Seahawks (including a win over Baltimore) in the second half of the 2011 season. Other free agents who are available (2012 team in parentheses): • Brian Hoyer (Cardinals), a former Cleveland St. Ignatius player who was cut by the Patriots in August and the Steelers in November. Hoyer, 27, landed in Arizona, and started the season finale, a 27-13 loss at San Francisco. He went 19-of-34 for 225 yards, with a touchdown and an interception. Bill Belichick first signed him in 2009 as an undrafted rookie out of Michigan State. • The McCown brothers, Josh (Bears) and Luke (Falcons). Josh is 13-20 as an NFL starter. Luke was 0-4 as a rookie Round 4 pick with the 2004 Browns; so, he’s stuck around as long as Ben Roethlisberger, whom Butch Davis opted not to take in Round 1 that year. • Former No. 1 overall draft pick David Carr (Giants). The 33-year-old is 23-56 as an NFL starter. • Kellen Clemens (Rams), who is 4-8 as an NFL starter • Jordan Palmer (Jaguars), Carson Palmer’s baby brother, who has never started an NFL game since entering the league in 2008. • Josh Johnson (Buccaneers), 26, a read-option candidate who is 0-5 as a starter in five NFL seasons, the most recent one ending with a one-game stay with Cleveland. • Byron Leftwich and Charlie Batch, both of whom started games while the Steelers’ 2012 season imploded. • Matt Leinart (Raiders), the 10th pick of the 2006 draft. He is 29. • Brady Quinn (Chiefs), the 22nd pick of the 2007 draft. Quinn, 28, was 3-9 as a Browns starter and was 1-7 with the Chiefs in 2012. • Jason Campbell (Bears). The 25th pick of the 2005 draft (Aaron Rodgers went one pick earlier) is 31-39 as an NFL starter. Haslam in Canton Browns owner Jimmy Haslam toured the Pro Football Hall of Fame in advance of his Thursday night speech to the Canton Regional Chamber of Commerce. He sought advice from Chamber president/CEO Dennis Saunier. “I asked Dennis, ‘What should I talk about?’” Haslam said. “He said, ‘Man, football.’ ” Haslam skillfully weaved business and football through his talk. In one segment, he said the news had barely broken that he had bought the Browns when everyone already seemed to know who he was. He said a hotel bellman told him, “You the new guy? Man, you gotta start winning.’” He said a security guard “about 70 years old” hit him with: “Jimmy, when are we gonna start winning?” “Believe me,” Haslam said, “we feel the pressure and the responsibility.” Haslam’s appearance in Stark County was prompted, in part, by his growing impression that support for the team here is intense. “Maybe I shouldn’t say this,” he said, “but your support is better than our teams have been.” Visit from Cleveland Two former Browns special teams coaches played a role, directly and indirectly, in the 108-yard Jacoby Jones kickoff return that gave Baltimore a big edge in last week’s Super Bowl. First, Jerry Rosburg is the Ravens’ special teams coordinator. He held that job in Cleveland from 2001-06. Second, Ravens head coach John Harbaugh spent years as a special teams coach in Philadelphia before landing his current gig. 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A guy like Jason Campbell would make sense in this scenario, as would Tarvaris Jackson. The problem with going with guys like that are if Weeds can't beat them out, then we're right back in the draft or trying to find a starter somewhere else the next season.
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Chase Daniels has been mentioned by several writers now.. Why?
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I wouldn't read too much into that. That author even mentioned freakin' Jordan Palmer and Charlie Batch, two guys that probably won't be in the league next year.  They are just names being thrown around because they are available.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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The sad part is that those guys are some of the better FA QBs available this year. It is that bad of a year for quarterbacks. Just wait till they start up with the Jimmy Clausen to the Browns trade rumors. I know that one is coming soon.
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Oh dear God ...... Tavaris Jackson sucks, and has sucked his entire career.
He had Adrian Peterson to hand off to and he still managed to suck. Bleh.
You really have to give up the man crush on Jason Campbell. He has never been a play maker from the QB spot ..... which is what Turner needs at QB, He's Alex Smith.
I love how Doerschuk mentioned Daniels, and there hasn't been a mad rush to call him an idiot. The Browns might be idiots to go out and sign him though.
One thing this article shows is that there is a dearth of talent available at QB in the free agent market, but this should come as no surprise to anyone. Quality QBs simply do not move, (and I understand that short, great QB Drew Brees did once upon a time, but he is the exception that proves the rule)
Out of all of these guys, there is one guy who has had success in this offense, and that's DA. If we sign someone to be the backup/competition for Weeden, he makes the most sense. At least he's shown that he can be effective in this offense.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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There's no man-crush on Campbell. Never was. Even when he was coming out of college I only had him as a 2nd rounder. When I was calling for him in the past it was as a stop-gap while we drafted a guy as the long-term starter. I haven't mentioned him once this year until now. He happens to be a nice long-ball thrower who may fit what we're doing here. He'd be on the short-list over the rest of the bums, and in case you missed it, I noted that if a guy like Jackson or Campbell beats out Weeds, it means we're right back to the draft pool or somewhere else to find a starter. 
And for the record, Anderson is a bum. He should be the last guy we bring here to "compete" with Weeden. He had part of a season where he did some things until teams figured him out. He's been a complete failure ever since.
If you're gonna pimp Anderson, I'm gonna put the full-court press on with Campbell.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Whomever the competition is, you can bet McCoy's not in the picture.
Had he been the guy, the FO wouldn't have announced it the way they did.
Which way is that? Banner said that McCoy would be in the future HC plans, Maybe Chudzinski's plans include trading McCoy or having him as a backup QB, but it's clearly more than what they've given to Weeden.
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This competition is going to come from the outside. They know who they have targeted, but luckily for everyone they know how to keep their cards close to the vest.
I think it's a foregone conclusion that someone will be coming to town to be part of the QB competition, but I think that competition includes McCoy. Nothing indicates to me that he's not in the cards.
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My top 5 would be
1. Matt Moore has overachieved with weak teams.
2. Rex Grosman Very underrated and played with some real crap
3. Jason Campbell Bad situations
4.Byron Leftwich The guy can throw the football if you can protect him.
5. Brady Quinn He is just one of those guys that I think can be much better than what we have seen. Horrible situation everywhere he has been.
Out of all the guys mentioned those are the guys that I believe have a chance to still turn the corner in their careers
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I'm just saying that out of all the bums listed there, only one guy has had a really good year in his career. Campbell's best year was 20 TD and 15 INT ...... very much like DA's best ...... only Campbell rarely goes down the field. I'm not a fan of anyone on that list ...... And the only reason I'm busting you on Campbell is that you have brought him up almost every off-season for the past 5 or so years. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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One thing this article shows is that there is a dearth of talent available at QB in the free agent market
Ugh, what a depressing list of FA Qb's
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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Oh dear God ...... Tavaris Jackson sucks, and has sucked his entire career.
He had Adrian Peterson to hand off to and he still managed to suck. Bleh.
You really have to give up the man crush on Jason Campbell. He has never been a play maker from the QB spot ..... which is what Turner needs at QB, He's Alex Smith.
I love how Doerschuk mentioned Daniels, and there hasn't been a mad rush to call him an idiot. The Browns might be idiots to go out and sign him though.
One thing this article shows is that there is a dearth of talent available at QB in the free agent market, but this should come as no surprise to anyone. Quality QBs simply do not move, (and I understand that short, great QB Drew Brees did once upon a time, but he is the exception that proves the rule)
Out of all of these guys, there is one guy who has had success in this offense, and that's DA. If we sign someone to be the backup/competition for Weeden, he makes the most sense. At least he's shown that he can be effective in this offense.
With Seattle, Tavaris Jackson wasn't that bad, seeing as how he played with an injured pectoral muscle for part of the season. He's decidedly average, and he got beat up a ton before Seattle drafted better offensive linemen.
14 games
271/450
60% completion percentage
3,091 yards
6.9 yards per completion
14 TD/13 INT's
Sacked 42 times
That's bad? I'd say that's average, but could still use improvement.
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For the most part in his career, Jackson has been a small play waiting to happen.
He has 6 years experience, yet he has only thrown 7075 passes in 34 starts. (and pieces and parts of 17 other games) That's a whopping 208 yards/start ..... even if we ignore the other 16 games he has played pieces of.
Weeden, just for comparison, threw for 3385 yards in only 14 starts.(almost half the yards in Jackson's career of 34 starts, and parts of 17 other games)
Jackson has never been forced to shoulder the burden of being "the man". He's been a piece ..... an Alex Smith type ..... to hand the ball off .... and play it safe. That's not what we need.
His passing yardage would have put him in 23rd place in the NFL last year. He had Sydney Rice and Golden Tate in Seattle. He also had Zach Miller at TE. He had Lynch at RB .... so he had that security blanket again.
On the OL, he had Russell Okung at LT, McQuistan at LG, Unger at C, and Giacomini at RT. The only difference between his starting season and last year was at RG, where the team basically swapped out Gallery/Moffitt for Moffitt/Sweezy.
I'm not seeing the huge changes they made from 2011 to 2012, other than swapping out Jackson for Wilson.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Out of all of these guys, there is one guy who has had success in this offense, and that's DA. If we sign someone to be the backup/competition for Weeden, he makes the most sense. At least he's shown that he can be effective in this offense.
That's a sad list of QB's for sure.
I'm with you on the DA thing. And some of it is selfish reasoning.
1) I don't want Smith anywhere near Cleveland
2) I don't want to burn the 6 pick on a QB and miss on one of these top tier OLB's or Milliner.
3) The MOST selfish reason is I want to see Weeden in this Offense and if we bring in Anderson, we WILL see Weeden in this Offense.
I actually think Chud and Turner like alot of what they see in Weeden. And they know Weeden was handed the job last year. They want competition because they know it makes guys better. EARN IT. And I believe Turner will get that excellent accuracy out of Weeden and he will earn it.
You don't just lose 70% accuracy in College. It's not like Weeden CAN'T hit a moving target. There's underlying reasons for his completion % last year. IMO the speed of the game didn't slow down for him as much as we'd like. When it does and that completion % rises into the mid 60 range, his YPA will most definitely increase in this offense. And that is the point in time where offenses start to take off. That's a FACT based on every top QB the last 20 years. One only needs to look it up.
Bring Anderson back.
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Of the players listed, I'd go with Matt Moore. I think he has the most upside of the free agents.
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I favor DA because he would be the most able to mentor Weeden in this particular offense. But if we are looking for potential starters I agree with your list. Kind of a lousy crop of FA's this year. Of that bunch I would probably favor Leftwich for this offense, but the guy has almost zero mobility at this point.
I'd like to have Brady Quinn come in as QB #3 and see what we can make of him. And it would excite a craziness in our fan's that could only be paralleled by signing Vick.
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I wouldn't read too much into that. That author even mentioned freakin' Jordan Palmer and Charlie Batch, two guys that probably won't be in the league next year. They are just names being thrown around because they are available.
That wasn't my point, you busted on Mary Kay for bringing him up, I just wanted to point out that she's not the only one.
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