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Watched the Alabama game.
Not impressed.
Yeah I know, It's Alabama, and no one looks good against them, but they have one of the best College Olines, and he was getting stone walled CONSTANTLY...
He looks way too small on the field, I don't care how much he weighs, aginst NFL O Linemen he looks like a Safety going against Tackles...
I'll watch other games later, but I assume he'll look a lot better in them.. which always makes me wonder...
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I admit that I have mostly seen highlights with him ...... but 14.5 sacks, 20 QB hurries, 7 forced fumbles, and 24.5 tackles for loss as a junior would really seem to say quite a lot about his ability, especially playing in the SEC.
As far as not running at the combine ..... big deal. Most of these upper guys run at their own pro days, where they control the environment. (track, etc)
I look back at Whimbley, and see a guy who topped out at 7.5 sacks as a senior. He was not a play maker beyond a few sacks. He had what .... 100 tackles in his 4 year college career? Jones doubled that sack total in his junior year alone, and almost matched Kam's 4 year tackle total.
I have watched Jones play OLB, and I really don't see Whimbley there. He is far more dynamic, is explosive, and has more than one move to the QB. His speed is incredible around the corner. He doesn't just burst around the corner though. They used him on interior blitzes as well, and he was effective.
I feel that he still has upside left to his game, and he doesn't need to adjust to playing OLB, because that's what he already is. I see an attacking, aggressive, and fast player, who seems to understand how to rush the passer from a variety of angles and rush lanes ..... as well as who is effective against the run.
The guy had 14.5 sacks and 20 QB hurries. That's in 14 games. That's roughly 2.5 times in each and every game that he either sacked or pressured the QB. Add in 24.5 tackles for loss, and it's roughly 4 times/game that he either stopped a play for a loss, or hurried the QB into an incompletion. That's impressive, and it's something we really need on this team. You compared him to Whimbley, and I really don't see that comparison. Like I said, I see Jones rushing from multiple lanes, from the OLB position, and being effective in getting around the corner, inside the Tackle, inside the Guard lane, or rushing up the middle with success. Whimbley didn't have that sophistication to his game in college.
I'll take Jones if he checks out medically. His performance on the field is impressive, and appears to be of the type that will translate to the NFL.
Perfectly laid out.
Jones has STUD written all over him.
Only question remaining is will he be available at 6.
Nice lay-out Toad.
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I think Jones would be a solid pick for us.. the only thing that makes me nervous about him is his run stopping ability. Other than that, I think he would be an immediate success at OLB.
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I admit that I have mostly seen highlights with him ...... but 14.5 sacks, 20 QB hurries, 7 forced fumbles, and 24.5 tackles for loss as a junior would really seem to say quite a lot about his ability, especially playing in the SEC.
As far as not running at the combine ..... big deal. Most of these upper guys run at their own pro days, where they control the environment. (track, etc)
I look back at Whimbley, and see a guy who topped out at 7.5 sacks as a senior. He was not a play maker beyond a few sacks. He had what .... 100 tackles in his 4 year college career? Jones doubled that sack total in his junior year alone, and almost matched Kam's 4 year tackle total.
I have watched Jones play OLB, and I really don't see Whimbley there. He is far more dynamic, is explosive, and has more than one move to the QB. His speed is incredible around the corner. He doesn't just burst around the corner though. They used him on interior blitzes as well, and he was effective.
I feel that he still has upside left to his game, and he doesn't need to adjust to playing OLB, because that's what he already is. I see an attacking, aggressive, and fast player, who seems to understand how to rush the passer from a variety of angles and rush lanes ..... as well as who is effective against the run.
The guy had 14.5 sacks and 20 QB hurries. That's in 14 games. That's roughly 2.5 times in each and every game that he either sacked or pressured the QB. Add in 24.5 tackles for loss, and it's roughly 4 times/game that he either stopped a play for a loss, or hurried the QB into an incompletion. That's impressive, and it's something we really need on this team. You compared him to Whimbley, and I really don't see that comparison. Like I said, I see Jones rushing from multiple lanes, from the OLB position, and being effective in getting around the corner, inside the Tackle, inside the Guard lane, or rushing up the middle with success. Whimbley didn't have that sophistication to his game in college.
I'll take Jones if he checks out medically. His performance on the field is impressive, and appears to be of the type that will translate to the NFL.
Perfectly laid out.
Jones has STUD written all over him.
Only question remaining is will he be available at 6.
Nice lay-out Toad.
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If he is there take him. He was great despite UGA having a knucklehead of a d coordinator . If I have to choose between Jones, Mingo, and Moore it's Jones every time. So help me if they draft a cb and he is there at 6 .... Ill continue to watch and complain every Sunday like I do now.
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I look back at Whimbley, and see a guy who topped out at 7.5 sacks as a senior. He was not a play maker beyond a few sacks. He had what .... 100 tackles in his 4 year college career? Jones doubled that sack total in his junior year alone, and almost matched Kam's 4 year tackle total.
Wimbley was never a starter at Florida State until his senior year, and he was injured that year and only played in nine or ten games.
He should've been picked in the second round, IMO.
But, either way, he played DE in a limited role for most of his career, where Jones played OLB and had significant starting time.
It's an odd comparison.
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The Whimbley comparison wasn't mine ..... it was in the post I replied to.
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You gonna just sit there and let yourself be insulted like that? 
Back to Jones, it all comes down to his medical reports. Unlike any of the other 3-4 OLB's in this draft, you can watch him drop into coverages and do it well, nevermind his abilities coming up the field. But if that neck doesn't check out, well, he becomes a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best, and at worst you don't even bother.
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You gonna just sit there and let yourself be insulted like that?
Well, I'm medicated right now ....... so I'm somewhat mellow ......
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I am fairly mellow at this moment myself. I better put the movie in to stand a half assed chance of seeing it through and not having to pick up when I wake up at 3:55 tomorrow morning.
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Jarvis Jones' neck causes red flag for multiple teams
It's a shame that something as informative as Twitter can't be used on these forums.
Ian Rapoport is saying that word coming from Jones' CURRENT medicals is favorable.
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You gonna just sit there and let yourself be insulted like that?
Back to Jones, it all comes down to his medical reports. Unlike any of the other 3-4 OLB's in this draft, you can watch him drop into coverages and do it well, nevermind his abilities coming up the field. But if that neck doesn't check out, well, he becomes a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best, and at worst you don't even bother.
I'm not sure I can feel comfortable enough about his condition to pick him.
His position and the contact required in it scares me!
If we cant wrangle a second round pick makes our first that much more important.
Of course ANY pick can get hurt I'm just not ready to have a strike or two against my first rounder.
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I know we aren't supposed to talk about rumors but that is a lot of this discussion. Anyway, one of the prevalent rumors is that the stenosis is in the area of where the neck connects to the back and if that is the case, that is scary and not just for the draft pick but for the kids safety.
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I bet that a lot of teams who see him as just out of reach might spread a rumor or 3 just to get him to drop. I would imagine that the Browns, or any other interested team, will put him through heavy duty medical tests.
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I know we aren't supposed to talk about rumors but that is a lot of this discussion. Anyway, one of the prevalent rumors is that the stenosis is in the area of where the neck connects to the back and if that is the case, that is scary and not just for the draft pick but for the kids safety.
Rumor or not, Stenosis is serious business. That's nothing to mess with.
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I know we aren't supposed to talk about rumors but that is a lot of this discussion. Anyway, one of the prevalent rumors is that the stenosis is in the area of where the neck connects to the back and if that is the case, that is scary and not just for the draft pick but for the kids safety.
Rumor or not, Stenosis is serious business. That's nothing to mess with.
WHO diagnosed this stenosis thing? USC.
Has anyone else ever said a word? NO.
Results TBD. Because now the best of the best will be probing.
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I have a slight spinal stenosis, and when I hit 46, me back went kablooey, damn near overnight.
I don't know if I would have had issues with it earlier if I had played football for a decade or so or not. I did a lot of heavy lifting when I did roofing and lighting installations when I was younger ..... plus spending 60+ hours/week largely on my feet.
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I know we aren't supposed to talk about rumors but that is a lot of this discussion. Anyway, one of the prevalent rumors is that the stenosis is in the area of where the neck connects to the back and if that is the case, that is scary and not just for the draft pick but for the kids safety.
Rumor or not, Stenosis is serious business. That's nothing to mess with.
WHO diagnosed this stenosis thing? USC.
Has anyone else ever said a word? NO.
Results TBD. Because now the best of the best will be probing.
This is the first post in the thread,.
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.
USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17. Feb 12 - 8:30 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player
Somewhere else in the thread they talk about Stenosis.. On NFL.com they have an article about stenosis..
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I have a slight spinal stenosis, and when I hit 46, me back went kablooey, damn near overnight.
I don't know if I would have had issues with it earlier if I had played football for a decade or so or not. I did a lot of heavy lifting when I did roofing and lighting installations when I was younger ..... plus spending 60+ hours/week largely on my feet.
My wife has stenosis,, it's not for sissys..
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JC.....
I didnt want Jones before this because he is a huge liability against the run, but now I would imagine he won't get drafted round 1.......tough break for the kid.
My wish list is Moore or Milner. If both are gone trade down and get back in the second round. I like Mingo's potential enough to take him if we couldn't get a trade down, but he has a big bust factor as Toad pointed out.
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after yesterday it looks like Moore has no strengh. with lining up on the line a part of a hybrid I don't think he would be a good fit. Dion Jones I think his name is, from Oregon, no he was impressive. Didnt really know much about him previous to yesterday though.
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Jones would be my top pick all day long ...want a comparison try Chip Banks  
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LINK Jarvis Jones disputes rumor that he's tumbling down draft boards By Evan Hilbert | CBSSports.com March 3, 2013 4:03 pm ET Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones said Sunday that reports of him falling out of the first round due to concerns for his health are unfounded, and the consensus All-American says he's spoken with more than 20 teams. Jones, who was diagnosed with spinal stenosis in 2009, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he has been medically cleared to play and that plenty of teams are showing interest in him. “That ain't true,” Jones said of the reports. “People are still talking to me. Nobody has taken me off the board. The doctor said I was fine and cleared me and the combine went fine for me. I was cleared medically. Teams know my situation. Everything went great. I did everything they asked me to do. I'll have my pro day [at UGA March 21], and then I'm going to meet with a whole lot of teams.” A report a couple weeks back -- citing a league source -- stated that teams were inclined to stay away from Jones, especially in the first round. Jones did not participate in last week's athletic portion of the NFL Combine, though he did meet with teams and the media. It's not an implausible situation. Jones was told after being diagnosed that he could no longer play football, prompting him to leave Southern California and transfer to Georgia, where he was cleared. Obviously there are differing opinions when it comes to his condition, so the risk will be measured by each team individually. Still, Jones believes the talk is nonsense -- and perhaps even a smokescreen by teams choosing late in the draft to allow him to fall to them. “People were telling me teams do that because they want me to drop to them because they don't have high picks,” he told the paper. “I can't control none of that. I know what teams were telling and I know what doctors told me. So I just focus on what I can control, which is trying to be the best football player in America.” Jones is widely considered the best outside linebacker in the draft, but mocks have him all over the board.
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I didnt want Jones before this because he is a huge liability against the run, but now I would imagine he won't get drafted round 1.......tough break for the kid.
I'm rather certain he'll still go in the 1st, and I tend to think he'll still go high-mid 1st.
When a major college like USC shuts someone down, it's inevitable that there will be other doctors who warn against that player as well, especially NFL doctors. It was a given that a doctor or two would red-flag him. However, I think when it's all said and done, he's going to end up grading out in nearly same position as before.
If he puts up the kinds of numbers at his pro-day that most think he will, he'll still be a 1st round guy.
To me he's the most complete 3-4 OLB in this draft, but of course I don't get to see those MRI's and all the doctors' charts. Each and every one of the other 5-6 guys who are being mentioned as potential top-10 players for 3-4 teams have a wart. There isn't a perfect guy. Ansah's lack of experience and the talk he may be a 4-3 DE, Moore's lack of speed and character questions, Dion Jordan's shoulder and his desire to run around blockers instead of taking them on, Mingo's size and possible laziness, and in my own personal crusade, there's the problems with Werner, who I view as a guy with no motor who quits on plays and looks nothing like a linebacker. To me he's a pure 4-3 DE.
Frankly, if I absolutely knew we couldn't get an OLB in free agency, I'd want Milliner with the 6th pick then see the Browns trade back up into the 2nd round for Okafor, who looks just a teensy-tiny bit behind the rest of these OLB's in terms of ability. He can stand-up and rush or put his hands on the ground nearly as well as the top-10 guys, and to me that would represent the best value.
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OT Man I like the way you think. I think if Millner is there at 6 he would be my 1st choice. I dont think he will be there after a great combine and Detroits glaring need at CB. If we missed out on OLB in FA (Avril) I think Jones is the best selection. I would however love to see us trade down to 11-15 where I would target Warmack, or Trufant. Pick up a second and take Orakpo.
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Well put Toad. In my mind being at #6 this year is lousy. All of the pass rushers aren't really elite or without significant flaws / risks. Milliner from what I understand doesn't really fit our scheme, but we'd be crucified taking Rhodes at 6. We have no real interest in the Tackles. My prayer is that Ansah turns into a freak (and we draft him), or we trade out of this spot for some ridiculous value. (AZ/Buffalo fighting over Smith/Barkley). I have no interest in the many flawed pass rushers beyond the possibility Ansah turns into JPP. But hey, when life gives you sour grapes, make wine.
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Our pick at 6 will go in this order 1.Trade down (7-15)  and get a second 2. Milner 3. D. Jones 4. J. Jones
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DeQuinta Jones will go undrafted, MAYBE taken in the 7th...
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This is a very weird top ten.
Left Tackles n Defensive Tackles there are some legit top 10 - if you have a need there it is good.
I don't think we have a need at all for those two investments.
QB n WRs two of the highest positions for top 10 picks along w/ RB also just are not justified in this top 10 so that there are big voids.
Some of the best prospects are RAW guys. Left Tackle Johnson, OLB/DE Ziggy Ansah, DE Margus Hunt, OL Long, OL Watson very weird draft indeed.
But the lack of Offensive Impact players that are not Left Tackles (some consider O Impact) the void must be filled.
CB Millner after him a big drop off.
DE/OLB Edge pass Rushers...all got "Risk involved"
Ansah 9 games n raw.
Jones Back/neck thing
Jordan shoulder thing
For me - I think it is so so important with a NEW regime coming in with a NEW O n D you need to get a player you can build the O around or D...in case of O that is the QB, I don't think there is one in the top 10. Which leaves D. For me just like when we went to the NEW 3-4 D in 05 There is no position better for a NEW 3-4 team to get a stud n build around than the OLB Extraordinaire...Explosion n Havoc with possibilities to DOMINATE.
So for me that guy is Ziggy Ansah or Jarvis Jones. My fear with Jones is that just like Merriman is retiring after 8 years with the last 4 mired w/injuries we might get a few early bang years n then it hits??? But man that kid has sick explosion...love him.
Ziggy seams to be the safer pick. Smart quick learner Body seems to handle his weight n athleticism to not have a bevy of injuries. I think he can not just play but dominate! To me he is like a cross between Ware n Orakpo who came into the NFL as DEs making the transition to 3-4 OLB.
To me we got to have one of those 2 n build this "ATTACK" Defense it will make ALL others Better in that front 7!
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I agree with ya on Ziggy
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Ansah is raw to the game but man, spending a top 10 pick on a pass rusher with bad hands is something you never do. I know it is a unique situation but as much as I like the potential, I dont know if I am willing to take him that high.
It is just like Jordan with his shoulder and lack of pass rush skills. Can you justify taking an OLB prospect that high when he has not shown the ability to be a dominate pass rusher?
Mingo well someone wake me when he makes a play.
Moore is a 2nd rounder with his combine showing.
Werner I had pencilled in as 4-3 DE only but I saw some potential in those combine drills. Pro day is big when you can put him through a few more drills and see what he has.
Jones is the best pass rusher in this draft but then you have the neck.
Then you have Millner and I just dont know how he will do in a Horton scheme when asked to play 1 on 1 bump and run. Rhodes is a much better fit.
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I like Millner...if I was a betting man I would say he will be gone.
Yes....Jones worries me at 6 but if we trade down say maybe mid to late first I might be OK then.
I will without a doubt prolly change my mind before the draft!!!
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TRADE OUT.
TRADE OUT
Just TRADE OUT
Move down take Rhodes or one of the free safeties.
Yeah, I agree, and unlike previous years I think it's actually a possibility with us sitting in front of Arizona. It's been rumored that SD might trade up to Oakland to get ahead of Philly for their choice of OT. If that's the case, the OTs could go 3,4,5. I don't think the tackles will all be gone by 6 (still think Detroit takes a DE first), but they could be.
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TRADE OUT. TRADE OUT Just TRADE OUT
And if we can't?
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All Pro
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Impact players that are not Left Tackles (some consider O Impact) the void must be filled.
CB Millner after him a big drop off
Really? Rhodes is far from a big drop off, imo
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IF i cant find a trade partner, I take Rhodes at 6 without question but I think we will see some teams in the back trying to jump up.
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