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Just making sure you were paying attention, Ytown

I'd hate to count all the ways Leon was a tool, both during his time with the Browns and after.

Ya know, rarely do I root against players, but he's one that I can honestly say I'm not sorry to have seen his career go off the tracks so quickly.

Sorry maybe ina trade down but definitly not @ #6 ... JMHO

I'm glad that 05 has come up a couple times in this discussion...spurned on by that Savage article, who actually had 4 Browns sign second contracts...a Browns feat. Also a sign of our drafting ineptitude.

Back to 05 there we were changing from the 4-3 D to a 3-4 - I know I was screaming for Merriman to any n every dawg that would listen. In hindsight Ware was the much better of the two - but my thinking process was that we were starting a 3-4 Defense and we were picking #3 we had first pick on getting a STUD OLB to build around in a NEW 3-4 Defense. Keep in mind it was a very very weak draft - I think 3 RBs in the top 5 something not seen in this day n age of Air Attack n rare players.

Well here we are IN HISTORY repeating ourselves. Not many teams get a 2nd chance...Oh n Looky looky this 2013 draft is pretty weak on top. When we got BE even if I stood up for him the first couple of years (sorry Vers ) I hated the pick from day one. 3-4 Build the D around a stud. This year I see 3 possible in our slotted area. Ansah, Jones n Jordan - Ansah has such a high level of success n domination for a 3-4 D.

For the Experts n I'm talking on TV not this board - Who state oh I see him as a DE...based on what 9 games. Skill level? His skill level n learning curve is off the board. You mean he has more experience at DE...lol all 9 games n the Senior Bowl.

What is amazing about Ansah really is that learning curve. I seen such an improvement from early games 2012 to last couple of games in 2012 to even the Senior Bowl...incredible Improvement. I have no respect for a Draft specialist who has Ansah going #5 then the next week has him going at 15. Why cause of the 28 year old rumor...then why didn't he say it. Cause he can't prove it???

Well history has come around again...4-3 to 3-4...weak up front draft. First choice for a stud 3-4 OLB??? Do we get a Ware dominant player to build a defense around? Or do we pick another "I"d"I"ot...

Ansah please...besides Django n Myself both approve of him...lol

At #6 overall in this draft with this team...I do not want a guy with the following words in his evaluation:

Potential
Tweener
Possible
Switch
Likely
Probable
Medically-cleared
Projects

That seems to take out every DE/OLB in consideration in the top 10...which is good by me.

I need a "sure thing" at #6 overall. Preferably a corner - given that there are no DE/OLB without the above 'bad' words in his bio.

Yeah...I'd even take a G...as crazy as my experience says that would be.

CB...trade down for an extra six pack of beer...G...all before any DE/OLB with the dreaded 8 words.

j/c

The more the days go by, the more I firmly believe Milliner is their guy in 2013 just like AJ Green and Patrick Peterson were our targets in 2011. And because neither of the aforementioned were available, then they traded down because of pre-draft trade talks with Dmitroff if the scenario played out like it did.

If this is the case, hopefully the Browns are doing something similar....to have a trade in place if their one or two targets are not on the board at #6.

Maybe they have the desire to trade down in the early-to-mid-teens, pick up another draft selection, then take another CB like Xavier Rhodes, OR justify a OG upgrade pick in Warmack, OR get the TE position Chud loves in Eifert.

Again, IF this is the case, hopefully the Browns are working the phones on teams looking for DTs, OTs, or QBs. Those positions seem to be the likely ones this year to move up for.

Now, if we sign Grimes....please disregard this post.

Everything I have read about this guy says he could turn into a major stud at the pass rushing position, and he would especially benefit from rushing opposite of Sheard and or Kruger (both couldn't be double teamed). If we can sign a guard and cornerback in free agency before the draft starts than I have zero problem selecting Ziggy Ansah at the #6 pick. I also don't mind the idea of taking Dion Jordan either, that guy is an athletic freak and speed demon according to scouts and what I've read on him as well.

I like Ansah but to high risk for me. I think we could however see a 49ers team make the leap of faith. Picks 31, 34, 61, 74, 93, 128 and 131 just in the first 4 rounds gives them the buying power and lets face it they are so loaded few rookies are going to make their roster. They have starters they have depth and 1 stud could push them into the superbowl.

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I like Ansah but to high risk for me.

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Likewise.

Haley's Comet making a second pass I see...

I have been preaching it on here well since this board began NEVER take a linebacker top 20 unless he has mad pass rush skills. Right now he doesn't have it. WE all think he will probably become a good pass rusher but everytime someone reaches for a linebacker it is because they are hoping that he can develop pass rush skills.

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I have been preaching it on here well since this board began NEVER take a linebacker top 20

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What are you talking about?

You must have the wrong guy. Ansah is a DE.

When I am drafting this high, I want a player who is both a tremendous physical specimen (which Ansah is) and has on field production (which Ansah does not).

With a schedule that featured the likes of Weber St, San Jose St, New Mexico St and San Diego St, he only managed 4.5 sacks on the season.

And I don't know where this myth that he is stout against the run is coming from. Watch the ND game. ND frequently ran the ball for big games using the gap right next to him.

I don't want him and will be very happy if Detroit takes him ahead of us.

Now that I know who " ziggy" is.

One red flag stands out. Zero knowledge of NFL history.

That would take him out of any 1st round selection in my mind. Please don't draft a novice football mind.

With that logic, I am a first round draft choice...

You have little appreciation of his history and diligence. From all accounts he is a good person with absolutely no issues. BYU has a strict conduct code, and pretty high educational requirements.

If Campbell means Geno is off the table, and if we have our two OLBs and don't absolutely HAVE to draft one, and if we have signed 32 backup CBs and still end up landing Grimes, then .... what? What is our top priority at that point? Trade down and get Warmack and have the most beastly OL this side of San Fran? Another WR? TE? Do we still get an OLB who is more athletic and dynamic than Sheard and Kruger?

They're filling some spots nicely in free agency, but aside from Kruger, none of these guys seem to be slam unk fixes. But I like it so far.

I don't know, maybe ask the posters that keep screaming that Heckert left us with soooo many glaring holes

If we sign Grimes and a FS like Rhodes, then we really do not have any major needs left...biggest ones probably are ILB and G at that point and I still hope we look at a guy like Dansby as a stop gap next to DQ.

That said, I still would not draft a G at 6. After a trade down? I'd only draft Cooper. Warmack is incredibly overrated and if we intend to be a vertical Offense, Cooper and his athleticism is a much better fit anyway. He can play LG and he's the best pass blocking OG, he's versatile, can play C and worst case he's a good RG...with Warmack, he's either a monster RG or a one dimensional LG.

Of course, we could also fill our "biggest" need and draft a kicker in the 1st

i can't believe any true browns fan would want to take a chance on him. he didn't have a strong productive year his senior season and in a weak conference this spell ????????????. we should take a more stable person who has played more than 9 games in his career.

Good stuff...just one note regarding Warmack...a lot better pass blocker than you give credit...he did play LT his footwork is excellent n in the interior he is excellent at Lock n Anchor. Agreed...no where close to #6 strictly in a drop back situation. But I still think Warmack is the better prospect over Cooper.

JMHO - we pick up Warmack??? Day one starter at LG

Cooper hast almost 0.2sec better 10yd split (1.72 to 1.9), that's another world in terms of quickness....and he has benched 35 times, he's plenty strong too.

I really think it's the Bama hype...if you look at the tape, Cooper is a more well rounded G, who offers more versatility and more athleticism for the next level

Both should be good Pros, there's little bust factor with both...but they're "only" Gs

Going by film only n lateral footwork...but yeah agree my theory is OG/C, RB, TE n ILB should not be taken in the top half of the first. If so...the prospect has to be a 1 in 10 year type of prospect. Neither OG is that. Actually for me add WR n Safety in that list.
JMHO

No sale.

Trade down far enough to get a 2nd this year AND next.

In the teens, OG TE or safety would be good value. Add that player to our 2nd= no brainer.

Let us please draft players with experience at their position, against good teams in the first two rounds.

just hoping

Anyone who "falls in love". Remember what the Falcons gave us.

That Flugger guy would make for the most Beastly offensive line, and we need run blockers anyway over pass blockers which, including Miller, Schwartz, and Thomas, we have almost exclusively specialists in.

Trade down, get me, Flugger. then a wideout, then my boy!!! Jonathan Franklin Rb, if he's there in the third.

Can you imagine this Rb core if they added a mighty-mini super fast back who can do it all.

T Rich. Potential everything Superman, does it all.
Hardesty, the guy you can give the ball to 30 times a game, but still produces if he only gets it 10.
Ogbonnaya, the guy who can make catches over the middle and add 10 yards after the catch.
Franklin, a 4-3 smallish back who can sprint to the corner pylon in the redzone.

4 Uniquely styled, and ya know what, any 2 of them can carry the team for a few games as a tandem. No duplication, the perfect compliment type of Rb to what they have already.

That's why I want Franklin, runningback, UCLA.
Edit. He's not 4 foot 3, that's a 4-3 40 I'm refering to, or at least close.

Sorry, but the NFL is a passing league, and Flugger has to improve his footwork a lot to compete at the next level.

You speak TL?