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Ravens | Dannell Ellerbe to receive significant offer Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:36:16 -0800 The Baltimore Ravens are expected to make impending free-agent LB Dannell Ellerbe a significant offer prior to the start of free agency. Ellerbe is expected to get a contract in the neighborhood of $30 million. Link
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The Baltimore Ravens are expected to make impending free-agent LB Dannell Ellerbe a significant offer prior to the start of free agency. Ellerbe is expected to get a contract in the neighborhood of $30 million.
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LOL we'll have to see if this is accurate, but people laughed at me because I was convinced that Ozzie would find a way to keep Flacco and a few of their best FA's..
Laugh no more folks,, I was sure Ozzie would find a way.
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I heard they have renamed the free agency period in 2013 "The Maiava Sweepstakes".
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Dude's 33yo...and a SS, so not a good fit, no thanks
..and I like Wilson
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Watson & Maiava expected to leave. Bryan Hoyer would love to come here.
More from Mary Kay & the ever-popular "sources."
Love to come here? LOL He'd love to stay employed is what he really means..
If it's here, then it's a bonus... 
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Wilson is a linebacker with safety on his name tag. He can't cover anyone and doesn't move beyond five yards from the line of scrimmage. Horton blitzed him a ton.
We have a better Wilson in Ward, we need a safety that can cover.
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We will carry 4 DE's n 2 NT with possibly one more depth guy who can swing either way.
I see Taylor as a DE who could swing to NT if we needed it.
Rubin n Hughes I see not coming close to DE just our NT - again if injuries I'm sure Rubin probably could man the DE position.
Winn might be the Ideal 3-4 DE n successful. So if I believe this all then we should be getting 2 more 3-4 DE's...if they become starters, great! But all 4 will play...the 7th DLman probably would be a guy up for INACTIVE if all were healthy. Most of our stockpiled DTs were guys known for their hustle n not speed - to hold their ground n 2 gap discipline.
Curious what our 2nd tier depth will look like.
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I'd agree we would have a roster of 4DEs and 2NT. Makes complete sense. But IF we signed Desmond Bryant (or someone like him) to be a projected starter at DE, I think the question would be asked about the value of Rubin's contract as part of a rotation if they are really high on Winn as we are being told. But Winn is still on a 5th Round rookie contract so I would guess that softens the blow some.
Recent articles about the Browns have mentioned the coaches leaning towards Taylor being the NT and the coaches loving Winn as a DE. I have yet to see anything about Rubin. Not that is doesn't exist, just haven't seen it. Perhaps I overlooked it in the article mentioning Taylor or Rubin. I can't remember. And I was never impressed with Rubin as a NT. He was just always the best guy (alongside DQwell Jackson) on bad 3-4 defenses. Actually both are out of place in a base 3-4 IMO. Maybe scheme alters their value....we'll find out. I think Rubin is a better 4-3DT.
Anything can happen with a new FO, HC, and Coordinators, and scheme change. We did a full sweep.
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Rubin is our best NT...I don't get it for him to be maybe on the oust. So we get a guy to play DE how does that endanger our Best NT.
If anything Taylor might be the odd man out...of course we would trade him not release...maybe to the Cowboys 
But in my case I don't see anyone on the outs except a back up like Kitchen???
DE: Winn, Taylor - room for 2 more...I see nobody on the outs by getting another. And even if the FA starts...its not like OL we will have rotation in there with quality.
NT: Rubin n Hughes...I really don't see too much room for another.
Plenty of time to clear Cap Space in future seasons. Not 2013. And NT is not an easy position to fill/upgrade. I don't see ours going anywhere soon.
Taylor...if you are of the belief he is our best NT...I understand your though process. I do however question your evaluation of that especially if we end up stating he is a 3-4 DE...if anything that says he is not a 3-4 NT.
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More from Mary Kay & the ever-popular "sources."
Love to come here? LOL He'd love to stay employed is what he really means..
If it's here, then it's a bonus...
Well he's going to stay employed by AZ most likely... didn't he receive a 2nd Round Tender?
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I really couldn't disagree with you more on Rubin. I thought he did a fine job at NT in Mangini's defense. Nobody on the defense hustles more than he does, and he's always stout at the point of attack. I was more worried that he would actually be able to transition to the role of DT in a 4-3 since he has always been projected to be stout at the point of attack with less ability to penetrate.
IIRC, most scouting reports pegged him as a pure 3-4 NT.
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I have been thinking alot about this one as it pertains to the Horton 3-4, which requires the NT to be more athletic and disruptive than the Ted Washington style NTs.
Dan Williams (main AZ NT last year) is a big man. Monstrous. But, he also lined up off-center most of the time and his responsibility wasn't just to clog the running lane but to force the OG/OC to double him while doing it. To do that, he needed to get upfield 2-4yds (rather than just hold his ground ala Teddy W). I think this is the Rubin & Sink (aka Kitchen) role.
Darnell Dockett (main AZ S-DE last year) is not a small man by any stretch, but he is not Dan Williams size either. What he does have is great quickness on the ball and good strength to hold the point of attack. His main responsibility was to create havoc on the TE/OT by crashing down on them and oftentimes even crashed all the way down onto the OG (with Daryl Washington stunting to the outside). I believe Phil Taylor (despite being heavier) can play the Dockett role (Hughes is likely the main backup here).
Calais Campbell (main AZ W-DE last year) is a tall, more rangy man relative to his DL counterparts, but with more speed. He is the guy who is supposed to get to the QB more often (especially when the WOLB is not the one blitzing). This is the role that Billy Winn is hopefully ready to take and is the one spot where we could consider signing someone to provide more assurance at (though we shouldn't spend big $$).
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Rubin is our best NT...I don't get it for him to be maybe on the oust. So we get a guy to play DE how does that endanger our Best NT.
If anything Taylor might be the odd man out...of course we would trade him not release...maybe to the Cowboys
But in my case I don't see anyone on the outs except a back up like Kitchen???
DE: Winn, Taylor - room for 2 more...I see nobody on the outs by getting another. And even if the FA starts...its not like OL we will have rotation in there with quality.
NT: Rubin n Hughes...I really don't see too much room for another.
Plenty of time to clear Cap Space in future seasons. Not 2013. And NT is not an easy position to fill/upgrade. I don't see ours going anywhere soon.
Taylor...if you are of the belief he is our best NT...I understand your though process. I do however question your evaluation of that especially if we end up stating he is a 3-4 DE...if anything that says he is not a 3-4 NT.
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EO, one can make the argument Rubin is our best NT because he is the only one who has had NFL experience there currently. But it doesn't necessarily mean he is the best option now. Not that this makes Taylor better, but I remember in the 2011 draft, it was reported the reason Heckert traded up to get Taylor was because of rumors the Jets wanted to also move up/stay put(picking before CLE) to take Taylor as their NT. I think the Steelers, who had a second rounder were trying to move up too. My point being, even though Taylor played DT at Baylor, teams saw him as a legitimate NT.
I think Taylor is bigger, stronger, faster than Rubin at the same weight. I believe Taylor can handle double teams better in the limited time he played last year and created more disruption inside than Rubin, which I think will be emphasized more. ....And Taylor costs less....and he's a couple years younger.
Not sure what you mean by we end up saying he (Taylor) is a 3-4DE. I heard the opposite from the Browns- he is their projected NT at this point-in-time by reports I've read.
Based on what I've seen/read from Horton's defense (which is limited, admittedly), I don't think we will have two 330lbs guys starting- one at NT and another at DE. In Arizona, Horton's DE were taller in height, a longer overall body size, and weighed 280-300lbs. They were also big in the way of applying pressure on the QBs. I don't see that in Rubin. I do with Winn. I think Taylor can apply pressure too, but at his size of 330lbs, I can't see him being fast enough for what Horton may want at DE.
That's my quick arm chair analysis of this situation IF we sign someone like Desmond Bryant. I just can't see the Browns keeping three NT in Taylor, Rubin, and Hughes. I don't see Taylor or Rubin as a DE. I think the Browns may have to choose between the two and I would lean towards Taylor. But that's just me.
Also, I am not sure Hughes is the NT they may want, even as a backup for the same reasons I mention for Rubin. Yes, there has been a smaller sample size with Hughes and much can be learned and developed, but I just see him getting man handled on double teams at this point. He also seems like someone better suited as a 4-3DT.
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Taylor and Rubin are both big men that can run. Horton specifically mentioned Rubin making tackles sideline to sideline. He will be on the field a lot.
At 6'3" with 34" arms, Taylor is big enough to play DE in a 3-4.
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I'll add one more thing regarding my point about not thinking we will have two 330lbs guys next to each other starting on the line. Just look to where Horton learned his defense from...Dick LeBeau. His DE's...
Brett Kiesel- 6'5' 285lbs
Ziggy Hood- 6'3' 300lbs
And their recent draft signing, Cameron Hayward- 6'4' 295lbs.
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Just ask Bellyache what he thinks of Rubin. Under Genie's D BB was saying he thought that Rubin was the best NT in the League. For what's it's worth, ESPN had Taylor listed at DE on the FA show that someone on here posted a couple of days ago. Just saying...carry on....
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Memphis - Ziggy n Keisel next to each other? Are they the two DE's.
Winn is the smaller one. Taylor or FA the larger of the two...Don't matter as long as they can explode n penetrate. I'll take 330 over 300 moving at the same speed
Remember its not by DESIGN...Its by Inheritance. We got some good players - They aren't "FORM" fitting possibly but they can play the position needed. I think Rubin was brought into the NFL to play NT. Hughes also is has good NT skills. Its a matter of Taylor really but he is not your average Bear...Winn I think again was a perfect 3-4 skill set. Especially for Attack 3-4.
Now its a matter of upgrading if at all possible. We got penciled in starters with what we got but we need more depth for the rotation. Who starts? Don't care they all got to have game! Again only Urgent need for me is that Pass Rush Extraordinaire. FA we most definitely have to invest in some DE's just by the numbers n I hope all have game.
If they do it doesn't mean we got them to Start...we got them to compete but all should have game!
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Why do we need to keep Colt one more yr.? I really don't know.
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With Casey Hampton in the middle, those two were the starting DEs. My point being with Hampton size, the DE were not close that that.
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With Casey Hampton in the middle, those two were the starting DEs.
with Casey Hampton in the middle, they struggled to stay in bounds
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EO, I agree ALL of these guys have talent and they are very young. Honestly, I was surprised to see Rubin is only 26yrs old being drafted what seems like a lifetime ago under Savage. And you are right, it is inheritance with these players and not everything is done overnight if any changes are desired. I do agree with you on Winn.
I just think some guys may not fit when it comes to starters and their salary, as always, may reflect decisions made- whether being cut or traded.
I am trying to go on what coaching track record may be suggesting and with new people and culture anything is possible. I like Rubin. I really do. I just think there may be some conflict at some point down the road. We shall see.
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I think Taylor is bigger, stronger, faster than Rubin at the same weight. I believe Taylor can handle double teams better in the limited time he played last year and created more disruption inside than Rubin, which I think will be emphasized more. ....And Taylor costs less....and he's a couple years younger.
I don't think Taylor handles double teams better. I don't think he is nearly as disciplined. I don't think he is as good as Reubin. He may end up being better, but right now, Taylor doesn't have the discipline, the stamina, and the understanding of the game that Reubin has.
I also saw the article where the reporter said they were strictly considering Taylor as the NT. I disagree w/this and think he would be better at DE. Actually, I wouldn't mind trading him if we could get something decent in return.
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Don't stop dreaming yet  Dannell Ellerbe - LB - Ravens Free agent ILB Dannell Ellerbe does not anticipate re-signing with the Ravens before midnight's commencement of the negotiating period. "Starting Saturday, we'll be talking to all 32 teams," Ellerbe's agent said. 27-year-old Ellerbe is the top inside linebacker available in free agency, in what otherwise is a very poor class at the position. The Ravens want Ellerbe back, but he's intent on shopping his wares and maxing out his worth. http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
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Jared Cook - TE - Titans According to the Miami Herald, the "rumored orbit" for free agent Jared Cook's contract demands is $8 million to $10 million per year. We've long been enamored by Cook's untapped potential, but making him the NFL's highest paid tight end would be awfully presumptuous for any team. Jason Witten collects $7.4 million per season. Vernon Davis makes $7.12 million annually. Rob Gronkowski, $6.9 million. Aaron Hernandez makes $5.87 million. If pre-free agency buzz is to believed, though, NFL teams are going to go hard after Cook. http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football I am as high on Cook as anybody but no way do I give him $8-10 million/year. $5 million is my target. I would probably go 6 but dang he is asking for a lot of cash.
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According to the Miami Herald, the "rumored orbit" for free agent Jared Cook's contract demands is $8 million to $10 million per year.
We've long been enamored by Cook's untapped potential, but making him the NFL's highest paid tight end would be awfully presumptuous for any team. Jason Witten collects $7.4 million per season. Vernon Davis makes $7.12 million annually. Rob Gronkowski, $6.9 million. Aaron Hernandez makes $5.87 million. If pre-free agency buzz is to believed, though, NFL teams are going to go hard after Cook.
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Jester I agree way too much $$$$ for a TE with very average production. I think Gronk is the only one I would pay that kind of money to.
Saw in the Avril, Kruger thread that they could get up to 12 mil per. Any team that signs either to a contract like that is setting themselves up for disappointment. Both are good players but neither is ELITE and IMO thats Elite money.
Pass on Cook, Pass on Kruger and Avril. (If those numbers are true.)
Djhango good points on your Kruger/Avril higher floor post, I dont agree but good points non the less.
As for the idea of trading Rubin, I say no. Rubin is the ONLY proven 3-4 talent on the team. I wouldnt be surprised if we see Taylor play both DE and NT during the season.
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Rubin's hustle is contagious. Hughes was known for being lazy and now he is chasing down guys 25 yards down field and I really contribute the way Rubin plays with the way Hughes is now playing.
Anyway Rubin makes Big Phil better and Big Phil makes Rubin better. I really think we will see Rubin DE Hughes NT and Phil DE with Winn rotating in often and in every pass down. Rubin Hughes and Phil will probably all take turns at the nose but we really do need another DE to mix in some reps. Guys that big and in this type of system, need to fresh legs. I do like Desmond Bryant even with his drunken image imbedded in my brain pan lol.
My ideal plan sign Bryant and Dummerville if available, if not i go Kruger. Extend Ward, Haden and Mack
Trade down in the first gain a 2nd.
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I would love to know where you heard Hughes was said to be lazy, because I think that's furthest from the truth. I'd concede he's not as talented as others, but not lazy. I think in the time given he played his butt off and quieted some people who claimed he was a reach in the third round.
Also, I don't think you'd ever find both Rubin and Taylor outside of Hughes in this scheme. Three guys starting over 320lbs on Horton's line is something I just don't see.
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I would love to know where you heard Hughes was said to be lazy, because I think that's furthest from the truth.
From every single prospect profile you will ever find on the kid. Even Hughes admitted to being a bit lazy until he began to truly focus on becoming a football player. I think his coach said the same thing. He was lazy. Now he is known for his hustle.
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WARNING The NFL sent teams a new communication Friday that has threatened potential tampering investigations should teams enter into an agreement with a free agent of any sort prior to the start of the league year on Tuesday. For the first time the NFL opened a negotiating window, beginning at midnight, where teams could negotiate with free agents from other teams, but not bring them in for a visit or speak directly to the player. With this window unprecedented, agents and teams were unsure how quickly deals might be, in essence, agreed to quickly. This memo seems intent on putting a chill on any of that -- and makes explicit that even agreeing in principle to a contract that would be contingent on a physical next week would be prohibited. It came as a surprise to many execs and agents and has created quite a stir as to how to proceed with contact. It's also struck many as odd, given that the creation of this negotiating window seemed designed to curtail tampering and create a climate where deals could be effectively struck but not fully consummated. Here's the full memo: PP-28-13 TO: General Managers Head Coaches Player Personnel Directors FROM: Commissioner Goodell DATE: March 8, 2013 SUBJECT: Impermissible Activity During the Three-day Negotiating Period for Unrestricted Free Agents Clubs were advised in PP-26-13 that during the three-day negotiating period for prospective Unrestricted Free Agents, they are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2012 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 12, and that no contract can be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 12. Clubs are further advised that prior to the beginning of the new League Year it is impermissible for a club to enter into an agreement of any kind, express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent or understandings of any kind concerning the terms or conditions of employment offered to, or to be offered to, any prospective Unrestricted Free Agent for inclusion in a Player Contract after the start of the new League Year. Any announcement of an agreement or an agreement in principle by a club or another party, including, but not limited to, a certified agent, player, or media organization may subject the club to a tampering investigation. Please contact the Player Personnel department if you have any questions
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Any announcement of an agreement or an agreement in principle by a club or another party, including, but not limited to, a certified agent, player, or media organization may subject the club to a tampering investigation.
That is the whole thing, they dont want it announced.
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I would love to know where you heard Hughes was said to be lazy, because I think that's furthest from the truth.
From every single prospect profile you will ever find on the kid. Even Hughes admitted to being a bit lazy until he began to truly focus on becoming a football player. I think his coach said the same thing. He was lazy. Now he is known for his hustle.
Every single one, huh? Yeah, well draft profiles ripped Danelle Ellerbe and now he's gonna make multi-millions .. Hardly anyone gave any legit time to Hughes at Cincinnati. And he had two coaches- Brian Kelly and Butch Jones who ran different schemes while he was there which included 3-4 and 4-3 changes. He was also lost in the tape because of Derek Wolfe fantastic season playing next to him.
For whatever it's worth (and probably not much) I'm a Bearcats booster and season ticket holder and the last thing I'd call Hughes is lazy. That's nice the kid said in interviews he has much to learn and expect him being modest (he was generally a quiet guy) but did you sense laziness at all in his first year? I sure didn't.
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Last year, I saw a guy chasing plays relentlessly. He showed the hustle we expect from Rubin. Usually you have guys do the opposite. They are hustle guys, they get to the NFL and they either dont enjoy the game the same and some of the fire in their belly is missing or they go woo hoo made it to the NFL and that goal is now reached.
I think Hughes is very underrated and the sky is the limit for him but I thought he should have went undrafted and was actually pretty po'ed when we took him in the 3rd. Glad i was wrong.
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Jared Cook - TE - Titans
According to the Miami Herald, the "rumored orbit" for free agent Jared Cook's contract demands is $8 million to $10 million per year.
We've long been enamored by Cook's untapped potential, but making him the NFL's highest paid tight end would be awfully presumptuous for any team. Jason Witten collects $7.4 million per season. Vernon Davis makes $7.12 million annually. Rob Gronkowski, $6.9 million. Aaron Hernandez makes $5.87 million. If pre-free agency buzz is to believed, though, NFL teams are going to go hard after Cook.
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
I am as high on Cook as anybody but no way do I give him $8-10 million/year. $5 million is my target. I would probably go 6 but dang he is asking for a lot of cash.
To Much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ For A TE ... JMHO
I am reading a ton of posts and stories about certain free agents wanting massive deals, and I wonder where all of this money is coming from.
There are only so many teams with the cap space available to sign big money players. Once a few of those slots fill up, some of these guys looking for $10-$12 million per year are going to get a reality check ...... and maybe half that amount.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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