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In response to the story Browns can take QB Matt Moore off their radar after he reportedly re-signed with Dolphins, cleveland.com reader rovingbrown says Colt McCoy might turn out to be the only competition for Brandon Weeden.
"It is not like there was much they could do just at this moment. There is an opportunity for trades and free agents after the draft, though I doubt a serious starting QB will be available (kind of like right now). I would hate to see draft choices traded for an experienced QB. Draft one late if at all.
Looks like keeping Colt is the only real competition. Well, Weeden's strong arm gives him a bigger upside. I guess we will get to see which is most effective, the big arm or the "it" factor. Maybe Weeden will get "it". Maybe Colt's arm is big enough. Maybe Browns get lucky in the draft. (still waiting)
The Plain Dealer routinely highlights a reader's comments on a story. There is absolutely nothing behind that except for a McCoy fanboy's hopes that somehow Colt will become an NFL QB this off-season ..... despite his consistent failings thus far. I could just as easily write that the Browns will sign DA, and it would be just as newsworthy.  
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I really hate to say this but Colt is not coming back to Cleveland ... JMHO 
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Kind of funny to me to read what people say about Weeden and McCoy.
The way I see it is pretty simple can you bank on either guy to lead a team to a Super Bowl? That means when games are on the line can McCoy or Weeden pick a team up and win big games?
Win against division teams? Win ten or more games and get into the playoffs? Win in the playoffs? Win a championship game?
When you look at the competition that you would have to beat to accomplish that goal; I don't think anyone would believe that your chances were very good.
The Browns "still" need a winning quarterback. The Browns have to keep bringing in quarterbacks until they find one who can compete against the very best.
When that happens then and only then will they be able to compete for a Super Bowl.
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Quite frankly, I am happy to say that McCoy probably won't be back. He's not an NFL QB.
I still continue to think back to the Super Bowl, and Phil Simms talking about the difference it makes having a QB with an arm, who can make all of the throws.
We have gone through guys like Frye, and Quinn, and McCoy ...... none of whom had a plus arm, let alone an elite arm. If I have to build around a flawed or developmental QB, I want him to be a guy who is capable, physically, of making all of the throws.(especially in the crappy weather on the lake front)
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I would totally get behind this. Would love to have him in camp, challenging Weeden for the starting job. At what cost, though? Belichick is shrewd, especially when he has something someone wants. Beyond that, he may simply want to keep him as the heir apparent to Brady. But, out of everyone out there, for this system, I'd take Mallet over Geno Smith or anyone behind him in the draft. He has the size, vision, mechanics, accuracy and decision making ability to win in this division and in the league. 2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Ryan Mallett BY MATT MILLER (NFL DRAFT LEAD WRITER) ON DECEMBER 12, 2010 Ryan Mallett: Height: 6’7’’ Weight: 238 Arkansas Accuracy: Mallett shows above-average accuracy to compliment his outstanding mechanics. His short accuracy is spot-on and he can lay the ball into the receiver’s hands on deep routes. Mallett will occasionally miss a receiver across the middle with his tendency to throw some passes too high. Using his exceptional arm strength, he can place the ball into tight windows that even some NFL quarterbacks can’t hit. He does a great job of putting the ball where only the receiver can catch it. He also excels at throwing accurately while on the run after being forced out of the pocket. Accuracy is a strong aspect of his game, but there is definite room for improvement. Arm Strength: Possibly his greatest attribute, Mallett’s arm strength is among the best in college football. Whether it’s a deep ball down the sideline or putting the ball on a rope 20 yards down the field, he has the arm to put the ball anywhere it needs to go. His passes, however, are often overthrown as he loses control of the amount of strength behind his throws. The main concern is that he sometimes relies too much on his arm strength when making risky passes. Athleticism/Mobility: Mallett is a pure pocket passer. He doesn’t have the speed, athleticism or quickness to be a legitimate scrambling threat in the NFL. He shows good movement in the pocket, but defenders shouldn’t be concerned with him picking up first downs with his feet on a consistent basis. Overall, he is subpar in both top-end speed and athleticism, but makes up for it with decision making and poise. Decision Making: Mallett is a very confident passer with great awareness and football knowledge. That confidence can sometimes work against him when he decides to force tough throws when nothing is there. When he has time to throw, he reads the defense and does a good job of checking down to his second and third options. Even with pressure in his face, he makes quick, smart decisions to throw the ball away. Despite his lack of speed, he can sometimes try too hard to outrun the defense and put his offense in tough situations by giving up unnecessary sacks. A 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio provides support for his strong decision making. Field Vision: The fact that he’s 6’7’’ allows him to have clear vision of the field and makes his passes much harder to bat down by the defensive line. He does a solid job of reading the defense, reacting after the snap and taking what the defense can give him. He will often check down to backs and tight ends out of the backfield if he sees nothing available down field. Mechanics: Coming out of the pro-style offense run by Bobby Petrino, Mallett has honed his skills as a prototypical NFL passer. He has a very natural, over-the-top release that, matched with his height, allows him to deliver the ball cleanly and effectively. Mallett stands tall when delivering the ball, and uses a quick, fluid motion to get the ball out of his hands. When he runs play-action, he does an outstanding job of selling the run and hiding the ball from the defense. He will, however, need to learn to drop back more effectively considering he spent lots of his time at Arkansas in either the shotgun or pistol formations. Pocket Awareness/Poise: As mentioned earlier, Mallett has excellent pocket presence and awareness which allows him to evade the pass rush and continue to look down field. He doesn’t typically get flustered by the pressure and can step into hits in order to make a good pass. Even in tough situations, he has held his own and been a composed leader for his teammates to rally around. Final Word: Any team would be glad to have a player of Mallett’s ability and leadership taking snaps for their offense. Passing stats come easily and in large quantities for Mallett, who is as productive as they come at the quarterback spot. After having an up-and-down season in 2009, he came back in 2010 after considering the NFL and proved that he could be smarter and more consistent with his decisions. He has shown great maturation since joining Arkansas in 2008 as a transfer from Michigan. Mallett has all of the tools to become a sensational quarterback in the NFL. No matter the situation, he is a proven leader and hard worker, but can sometimes lose focus when things start to fall apart, as evidenced by Arkansas’ 2009 loss to Alabama. Mallett completed just 34 percent of his passes as the Razorbacks lost by a score of 35-7. Teammates seem to rally around his vocal leadership and feed off his positive energy, but scouts will need to look into why coaches at Michigan had issues with him that eventually led to him transferring. During spring practices in 2008, he missed the final two weeks due to an injured finger on his throwing hand. Other than that, there are no standout durability issues for Mallett. Given the right coaching and the proper system, he could potentially put up big numbers in the NFL just as he did under Petrino. In order to succeed, he will need to work on controlling his strength on deep balls and making better decisions with defenders bearing down on him. If the right circumstances arise, Mallett could come off the board in the late first/early second round of the 2011 draft. Link
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God no  The kind of Pats-admiration I expect from that clown though. Looks like Belly has his new Al Davis all lined up. Who was that other dude we had here who loved and looked at every player Belly ever had on his roster? Just more signs of an outsmarter...
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In my opinion if trading for Mallet is the best that Lombardi and concoct he is confirming my worst fears about him. Mallet has actually done less in this leauge than Weeden and giving up any furture assets (draft picks) for him is nonsensical at best.
Now in defense of what I'm about to say. The Browns need to bring in a QB who can push Weeden, won't limit the team's ability to sign other key young players whose contracts are expiring, can definitely fill the #2 role, and as a bonus allow the offenese to incorporate some read-option if that's something they want.
Troy Smith is that guy. Yeah I'm a Ohio State fan and not ashamed of it. Still, all of my above points remain valid. Any previous bias against signing Smith should have been flushed out with the old regime.
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Now you've done it ... better get that flame suit out of the closet. Just kidding - every time I watched Russell Wilson last year, I thought of Troy Smith. Thing is, in the offense we've been told the Browns will run, I don't see how Smith is an upgrade over McCoy. I could see him as a backup in Philly or Seattle, though.
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It is though, because that TD throw to Cribbs to win the game (vs Miami) was his best and most clutch throw I've seen him make...he never repeated anything similar to it though
I'm thinking the Jets game a month earlier in 2010 was another example of a clutch performance from Colt. Of course we didn't win in OT but he did get us into OT.
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In my opinion if trading for Mallet is the best that Lombardi and concoct he is confirming my worst fears about him. Mallet has actually done less in this leauge than Weeden and giving up any furture assets (draft picks) for him is nonsensical at best.
Now in defense of what I'm about to say. The Browns need to bring in a QB who can push Weeden, won't limit the team's ability to sign other key young players whose contracts are expiring, can definitely fill the #2 role, and as a bonus allow the offenese to incorporate some read-option if that's something they want.
Troy Smith is that guy. Yeah I'm a Ohio State fan and not ashamed of it. Still, all of my above points remain valid. Any previous bias against signing Smith should have been flushed out with the old regime.
if and only if weeden is even here the one to push him should be most like him. that would be DA. with the bonus of being with chud for 4 years and knowing what he expects.
now if they think colt is the better QB. then yea i could see it. unlike others while i dont think colt is a long term answer he might be our best chance to win this year. wonder how his shoulder is? didnt it get hurt again this year? i thought i saw a big improvment from 2010 when he said he was not 100% and the start of 2011. through the first 6 games or so. ofcourse with the pounding he took in 2011 it didnt last long.
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From what I've seen of the Chargers and the fragments I've read about Norv's offense since being named OC, the verticle nature of his passing atack, extensive use of the shotgun coupled with the offense Chud installed for Newton in Carolina I have no concerns about Smith's ability to function well in their scheme, given what we know about it at this time.
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In my opinion if trading for Mallet is the best that Lombardi and concoct he is confirming my worst fears about him. Mallet has actually done less in this leauge than Weeden and giving up any furture assets (draft picks) for him is nonsensical at best.
Gaurd not to pick a fight but, I dont understand your logic. Mallett has done less because he is backing up one of the best QBs to ever play. Weeden has started, of course he has done more? Whats the difference if we traded a 2nd or 3rd for a QB or drafted a QB? If the FO doesnt view Weeden as a franchise QB and they do Mallett then why is that nonsense?
IMO, as a fan of tOSU, if Troy Smith is the best Lombardi could come up with that would confirm my worst fears. I love Troy but he is not a starting level QB in the NFL and has also done less than Weeden. Sorry but I am just not following the logic.
I think the best option would be to give Weeden 1 year to see what he can do in the system and bring in DA as a backup. If Weeden fails address the QB spot next year.
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Troy Smith is that guy. Yeah I'm a Ohio State fan and not ashamed of it. Still, all of my above points remain valid. Any previous bias against signing Smith should have been flushed out with the old regime.
What's really laughable or sad, depending on your perspective, is consideration of names like Huard, Moore, Mallett and Daniels as options to upgrade the position. What I am proposing offers a good balance between fit and value with an eye towards addressing other needs, immediate and long range.
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In my opinion if trading for Mallet is the best that Lombardi and concoct he is confirming my worst fears about him. Mallet has actually done less in this leauge than Weeden and giving up any furture assets (draft picks) for him is nonsensical at best.
Gaurd not to pick a fight but, I dont understand your logic. Mallett has done less because he is backing up one of the best QBs to ever play. Weeden has started, of course he has done more? Whats the difference if we traded a 2nd or 3rd for a QB or drafted a QB? If the FO doesnt view Weeden as a franchise QB and they do Mallett then why is that nonsense?
IMO, as a fan of tOSU, if Troy Smith is the best Lombardi could come up with that would confirm my worst fears. I love Troy but he is not a starting level QB in the NFL and has also done less than Weeden. Sorry but I am just not following the logic.
I think the best option would be to give Weeden 1 year to see what he can do in the system and bring in DA as a backup. If Weeden fails address the QB spot next year.
Don't be concerned I'm not here to fight, but I don't mind disagreement. However my logic is about cost/benefit. For the sake of argument let's say that Mallett and Weeden are comperable at this time because we certainly don't KNOW that Mallett is better. The cost of acquiring him is distateful to me at this point. I'm not on board with spending any future draft picks when the Browns can get a QB without owing any compensation AND it does not hinder any other moves they may need/want to take.
I never suggested that Smith would win out in a competition with Weeden but as it stands now none of the other QBs remaining in FA would probably do that either. I do think that if the competition were fair then Weeden would need to elevate his game MORE than he would in order to beat out McCoy. If that didn't happen the consolation is still starting somebody better than McCoy.
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What's really laughable or sad, depending on your perspective, is consideration of names like Huard, Moore, Mallett and Daniels as options to upgrade the position. What I am proposing offers a good balance between fit and value with an eye towards addressing other needs, immediate and long range.
Who is Huard?
What do Mallett, Daniels, and Moore all have in common that Smith doesn't? They were in the NFL the last two years.
Smith has never been good in the NFL. Tebow also won the Heisman, we should go after him as well. Are Eric Crouch and Jason White available?
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Although I dont agree, good points. I agree Mallett is a unknown. While I dont know that he is a franchise QB, I dont think that the reported compensation of a 2nd or 3rd would be too much to give IF Lombardi and co. do think he is a franchise QB or the better option.
Again I think Weeden as starter and DA as back up are the best option for next year.
I see your point on Smith as a back up if Chud wanted to bring some of the spread option Carolina offense here but I think he had to do that to play to Cams strenghts were as Weeden has none of those attributes and if Chud did want to do that he would need a new starter alltoghether.
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I'd be good with giving a 3rd as a conditional 2nd if he starts more than four games. Don't see Belichick letting him go that cheaply though, unless Cassel somehow returns.
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What's really laughable or sad, depending on your perspective, is consideration of names like Huard, Moore, Mallett and Daniels as options to upgrade the position. What I am proposing offers a good balance between fit and value with an eye towards addressing other needs, immediate and long range.
Who is Huard?
What do Mallett, Daniels, and Moore all have in common that Smith doesn't? They were in the NFL the last two years.
Smith has never been good in the NFL. Tebow also won the Heisman, we should go after him as well. Are Eric Crouch and Jason White available?
I may have been mistaken, the QB that was getting some mention a few weeks back as a possible signing I thought was Damon Huard but I will check into that. Maybe it was Brian Hoyer.
As for what these players share in common? Over the past two years they have all received about as much PT as T. Smith. Additionally, it really should not need to be said that Smith has significantly more QB talent than Tebow.
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2 years ago, I thought Mallett was the best QB in that draft class. Then the rumors of failed drug test and he apparently came off as a bit of an ass in some of his combine interviews and thus went from a top 10 pick to 3rd round.
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Don't see Belichick letting him go that cheaply though, unless Cassel somehow returns.
If Mallet was a good QB then why would Belichick part with him and bring back Cassel? The Browns will never get anywhere switching QB's every year. IMO, start the best one you currently have and focus on other positions (at least for 2013)
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If they feel that Cassell can hold down the backup job, then why not try to get something for Mallett. (especially given that he will almost certainly leave in a coupe of years in search of a starting gig) Once a backup QB hits that 2nd/3rd year of his 4 year rookie deal, the tea really has to look at whether or not he's going to be their starter, and if not, then can they find a capable backup elsewhere, and recover value for their current backup.
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List of potential competitors for Brandon Weeden fading
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Scratch one more name from the list of potential competitors for Brandon Weeden’s job as starting quarterback with the Browns.
Matt Moore on Friday signed a two-year contract to stay with the Miami Dolphins, according to NFL.com. Earlier this week Joe Flacco signed a six-year, $120 million contract to stay with the Baltimore Ravens. Alex Smith is off the market as a trade acquisition because the 49ers have worked out a deal to send him to Kansas City for the Chiefs’ second-round draft pick next month. The trade will be made official when the league year begins at 4 p.m. Tuesday.
About the only viable option remaining with NFL experience is Seahawks backup quarterback Matt Flynn. The Browns could decide to use the sixth pick in the draft on West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith or USC quarterback Matt Barkley, but CEO Joe Banner said he does not envision using the Browns’ first pick on a quarterback.
Flynn was a free agent last year after four seasons with the Packers and did not receive much attention from other teams. The Browns did not pursue him. He signed with the Seahawks and was beaten out by rookie Russell Wilson.
Head coach Rob Chudzinski has given a lukewarm endorsement of Weeden, who last year was 5-10 as a rookie. He is reserving judgment until the offseason program begins April 1. Chud has scheduled a three-day minicamp starting around April 15 so he can assess Weeden and other veterans on the field and in the class room before the draft.
“As coaches, a lot of time you look at tape and it tells a very small part of the story,” Chudzinski said at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis last month. “Until you get out there, until you get in meetings with guys and you get a sense for them, and you start teaching the things you want done and how you want them done and then see those guys and how they react to them on the field, and then get him in situations ...
“Put him in situations that as a quarterback are important; the two-minute drills that you do in practice, and the third downs and the red zone and all those critical situations. That’s where you really get a chance to see him and evaluate him based on what you’re teaching them and what you’re emphasizing.”
Banner was around Weeden for about half the 2012 season. He did not spend time in meeting rooms with Weeden, but he has not given up on last year’s 22nd overall pick. Team owner Jimmy Haslam III is the one who at the Super Bowl told reporters the Browns would find competition for Weeden. He did not say where that competition would come from.
“He obviously has a lot of redeeming qualities,” Banner said in Indianapolis. “Most of the time — although last year was an aberration — you see big improvement from year one to year two in players who are going to become good players. He’s in the window where you need to see the kind of development if he’s going to be the long-term answer.”
Banner was referring to the immediate success of Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III and Wilson when he said last season was an aberration.
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This best reflects my core opinion on the subject. But with all the talk about creating competition and such fans, like me, get caught up with all of the hypetheticals. At least one QB will be brought in. I don't believe Thad Lewis will be n camp this year. I'd actually prefer that any QBs' brought in be able to push the two incumbents. I don't want to over spend or squander current or future picks either. If Banner is all that and a bag of chips then hopefully he can make this happen.
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I wouldn't even bring in a QB this season, but that's my opinion prior to what happens when camp begins, who knows what they'll see once they begin working with them. I think they'll see what they have according to implementing their system, and how well the QB's they currently have adapt to it. Shurmurs crap offense is gone, and surely the new coaches will do more with our QB's than that staff did.
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Don't see Belichick letting him go that cheaply though, unless Cassel somehow returns.
If Mallet was a good QB then why would Belichick part with him and bring back Cassel? The Browns will never get anywhere switching QB's every year. IMO, start the best one you currently have and focus on other positions (at least for 2013)
He would let him go because he likes Cassel.
Who said anything about switching QBs? We're talking about bringing in someone to compete with Weeden. If he beats Weeden out, then he should start.
BTW, I don't care if we switch every week if that's what it takes to find someone who looks and acts like a leader and can win a majority of games.
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Who said anything about switching QBs? We're talking about bringing in someone to compete with Weeden. If he beats Weeden out, then he should start.
BTW, I don't care if we switch every week if that's what it takes to find someone who looks and acts like a leader and can win a majority of games.
Again, it's the system that will make the difference, and if they feel the need to bring one in once they've seen what they have to work with, I'm not opposed to that. My point is, we don't even know at this point if bringing one in will be needed.
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Who said anything about switching QBs? We're talking about bringing in someone to compete with Weeden. If he beats Weeden out, then he should start.
BTW, I don't care if we switch every week if that's what it takes to find someone who looks and acts like a leader and can win a majority of games.
Again, it's the system that will make the difference, and if they feel the need to bring one in once they've seen what they have to work with, I'm not opposed to that. My point is, we don't even know at this point if bringing one in will be needed.
If I had to guess which is mostly likely to happen: a) Banner, Lombardi & Chud decide to wait and see how Weeden does before deciding to bring in competition for him, or b) they decide to bring in someone (and maybe 2 someones) via the draft or trade (or both), I go with b every time. JMHO
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If I were to guess, I'd say other positions will be addressed before that one will be.
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Why do people get so offended when someone disagrees w/them about whether or not we should or shouldn't bring in a new QB? It's freaking opinion!
I thought Mallet was by far-and-away the best QB in his draft class. Some off the field problems dropped him, but this guy has serious tools.
I would like a more mobile qb, but his decision making and accuracy are far superior to Weeden's.
I can understand why some of you want to keep Weeden and I am not bad-mouithing you, but personally, I think the guy is a stiff and the sooner we make the change---the better.
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[If Banner is all that and a bag of chips then hopefully he can make this happen.
I'll preface my post by saying that I'm fine with bringing in a QB for competition, particularly a veteran. However (and I'm not trying to incite some posters to riot), how can you say that about Banner involved in a QB selection when Holmgren got royally ripped for his (suspected) involvement in the Weeden pick? 
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You just can't let it go, can you? 
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If I were to guess, I'd say other positions will be addressed before that one will be.
Considering FA begins Tuesday, and there are probably no FA QB's we're interested in, I'd say that's no great leap in logic.
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You just can't let it go, can you?
I did debate on posting that comment. I'm tired of the Holmgren bashing, but yet it's OK for Banner to do the same thing? 
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Would you please freaking stop???
Who the hell is bashing Holmgren? You brought him up. No one else.
And it is not the same thing. Making a trade w/another team is NOT the same as drafting a guy. Sheesh man.....let it go!
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Why do people get so offended when someone disagrees w/them about whether or not we should or shouldn't bring in a new QB? It's freaking opinion!
Who's offended? I stated I wouldn't be opposed to them bringing someone in if they feel it's needed, along with my opinion on the situation.
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Agree on Mallet. Maturity was the biggest knock on Ryan, and I wouldn 't be against bringing him in depending upon the price......bet he would win the competition as well.
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Would you please freaking stop???
I believe I made my point...
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