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5. Cleveland Browns (14) PB – 3rd, RB – 11th, PEN – 25th Stud: In the upcoming weeks or so we’re going to do a piece on how often (per second) Joe Thomas (+25.6) gives up pressure compared to the rest of the league. It’s stunning how shutdown he is. Now, if only his run blocking matched up to his work in the pass game. Dud: You can get by with players like Shawn Lauvao (-7.3) when the rest of your line is so good. Summary: It’s not the done thing to give praise to Cleveland. That said, their line is extremely talented and when they were forced to introduce John Greco into the lineup they got even better. The stars are Thomas and Alex Mack, but the play of rookie Mitchell Schwartz bodes well for this line for a long time to come. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/4/
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Wouldn't have guessed our PBing would be 3... sure hope we can get our running game going this next year though!
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I thought our OL was easily top 5 even with several issues. Joe Thomas played injured. Schwartz was a raw. Pinky struggled then went to IR. Chemsitry between Lauvao and Schwartz was an issue at times as was chemsitry between Greco and Mack.
If we could add a stud LG to the mix, this OL would be the best in football. Greco is a backup and Pinky isn't likely to return.
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I thought our OL was easily top 5 even with several issues. Joe Thomas played injured. Schwartz was a raw. Pinky struggled then went to IR. Chemsitry between Lauvao and Schwartz was an issue at times as was chemsitry between Greco and Mack.
If we could add a stud LG to the mix, this OL would be the best in football. Greco is a backup and Pinky isn't likely to return.
i thought greco played better than pink. jmo love to bring in 2 FA guards and let them compete for the start. schwartz? i think he might turn out to be the best pick heckert had.
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Pinky looked awful and Greco was an upgrade but he was a weak link. Pinky's blood clot issue was probably contributing to his struggles. I think with another year of chemistry development between Mack Lauvao and Schwartz, this line will beast. Now if we can get a stud to put between Thomas and Mack, then we are talking about total dominance.
Fortunately for the Browns, free agency as well as the draft has a surplus of offensive linemen.
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It's difficult to judge NFL offensive lines league wide, but I think our pass protection was second only to NewšEngland's. We gave Weeden all day to throw for the most part. I know he got sacked, but that is due more to him holding the ball forever and ever and ever.
I disagree w/the article when they said that Joe doesn't run block well. He is a tremendous gap blocker and does extremely well of getting to the next level. Mack played much better this past year than the previous year. I didn't think Schwartz should have been drafted until the 3rd or 4th round, but the kid was much more steady than I ever dreamed. Lava is strong at the point of attack and plays hard, however he is slow footed and even has a difficult time of staying on his feet. Pinkston struggled some, but I thought Grecco played very well, again--much better than I expected.
I think if we had a qb who could deliver the ball on time and a RB who didn't dance behind the LOS so much, this OL would get more recognition. Of course, you have to add winning some more games into that equation.
I think it would be wise to obtain at least one guard who was a bit more athletic than the guards we have. A guy who is more agile, lighter on his feet, able to get to the second level and do some damage.
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I think it would be wise to obtain at least one guard who was a bit more athletic than the guards we have. A guy who is more agile, lighter on his feet, able to get to the second level and do some damage.
Is there anyone in particular you want?
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Vers is that you...i must admitt i miss you and eo
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Not at this point. I have been studying QBs, Edge rushers, TEs, and Corners. I will get to guards and let you know.
In terms of free agency, I think Andy Levitre from Buffalo is a pretty decent option.
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Yes, it's me. Not sure if I am allowed on the board, but they are closing the other one down. I have to talk about the Browns. Hopefully, they will let me stay.
Btw---I missed a bunch of you guys, too. And tab should be coming over shortly.
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Hey Rook - Make sure you read the rules of the board 
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Not at this point. I have been studying QBs, Edge rushers, TEs, and Corners. I will get to guards and let you know.
In terms of free agency, I think Andy Levitre from Buffalo is a pretty decent option.
What do you think?
My knowledge of other players is very limited. I have read about Levitrie and think he would be a very good option if we could take him from Buffalo. My son is real high on the guard from Alabama, Womack. He ran a slow 40 but he was solid in his drills. Problem with him is we would have to trade back in the 1st to take him and as much as I would want him we have bigger needs.
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Hey Jester. I know them, I just have to follow them.  Womack is very good. Maybe not as athletic as I like, but he is tough. You know me, I always say trade down. We could maybe get our 2nd round pick back. I do like Miliner at 6 though, provided he is still there. You need excellent corners when you want to run an attack defense. We would get fried if we were highly aggressive and Skrine back there. But, I guess that is for a different thread. How is your son doing, btw? Still huge for his age? PM me and give me an update.
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that is excellant..i'm not sure if you remember me but i would be so glad if you and eo would come back and you could add diam to that to bring some sinceabilty to this board...
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You didn't do anything wrong. That was a little jab at vers. He was a long time member (He was a dawgtalker before the board had to change it's internet address back in September of 2006. He has been off the board for a while now and just started posting again. It was just my way of welcoming him back. He is a knowledgable diehard fan who by the end of the year will probably have more total posts than I do.
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I came to the old board I am pretty sure right around the time they hired Butch. Geezz cant believe it has been that long. Vers was already here when I joined. Great debates which led to many of my bans. Diam and Shep being refs didnt help either lol BTW I havent been banned in over a year woo hoo lol
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I've maintained forever it seems,that any ranking given by anyone other than the coaches is mostly conjecture.It is impossible to grade a lineman without knowing his assignment on any given play.
Honesty compels me to say that,because I've said that every time some site,or poster gave our line a bad grade.But it is nice to see a national publication? agreeing with what some of us have been saying all year.
It's good to have you back Vers,maybe we can get that Russ Grimm bandwagon rolling again.
You'll grow bored on this site soon.There's not many smart ass young punks to fight with,and even fewer people picking the low hanging fruit.
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I hope they do, as you alone up the football knowledge on here by 100%.
You said you looked at some prospects in this class and as we finally have a draft section on here, I would like to hear your take on some of those. I have started a thread on TE and S and there's been some good discussion about the pass rushers and CBs as well
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I hope he does too, as I can't wait to rub Connor Barwin in to him on every post,as he used to ridicule me for a whole year for taking him in my mock in the mid 1st
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I am pretty set on Millner at #6 if he is there.
As for trading down, that would be good, and every year there seems to be a "garden spot"...the spot where teams have to land without going to high....maybe it's 6 this year??
As for being allowed on the board, I would hope so and hope time has healed any bruised feelings.
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Lose Pinky. Replace Lauvao. We had a VERY strong season, especially given the devastating predictability of our playcalls. I am glad they got some props; this group improved itself. Throw out Lauvao's penalties and we are statistically even stronger.
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Good to see all you guys. What's w/all this talk about arguing and suspensions? You know me.....I'm very easy going. LOL Actually, I have mellowed somewhat. I'll be good. Some good talk going on here. I just need to get acclimated and I will be flying by Jester's post count soon. 
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Greco (ranked #15) is our best OG ... JMHO 
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Don't take everything you read from Bleacher Report as gold! Playing between Thomas and Mack can only help that opinion. I like Greco but not sure he ranked #15 in the NFL.
I will be interested to see what happens with Pinkston. I am not saying he's great or anything but I saw continuous improvement for the season and a half he played at LG. Now, his blood clot or whatever he had could remove him from the league altogether and his play is a moot point.
It would be nice to see him come back, play well, and even provide depth at tackle (God forbid Joe T goes down) as he played it at Pitt.
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it's going to be rough on Pinkston because the blood clot means a full shut down. no training at all for months.
other injuries, you are still doing some training. for guys this big and requiring this much training it is going to be a rough transition back. hopefully, he is able to do that this offseason and is really dedicated to it. it's going to be a rough road for him though.
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I like our situation at OG, Lavau, Pinkston and Greco ... If we could add Warmack or Jonathan Cooper we would be very strong @ starter and backup ... JMHO
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I like our situation at OG, Lavau, Pinkston and Greco ... If we could add Warmack or Jonathan Cooper we would be very strong @ starter and backup ... JMHO
obviously, we'd be great throughout the OL if we add a 1st round OG. at least we better be.
I am of the opinion that our need for pass rush is far too great to afford the luxury of a 1st round OG though.
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I have to agree, we need that pass rusher (JONES UGA), or CB (MILLINER ALABAMA), Howie Longs boy or the kid from Youngstown State (Mady) would be good OG picks later in the draft ... JMHO
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I was not impressed with Pinkston at all. He was the weak link when he was in the lineup and there was vast improvement in the oline play after he was replaced by Grece.
I hope Pinkston makes a tremendous recovery and makes a comeback but I see him as no more than a depth player.
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guess the honeymoon n welcome is over... 
but if it makes you feel better go right ahead but I got news for you...Barwin is considered the weak link of that D...Did they TAG him btw (isn't he a FA) ...lol sort of just busting your chops...Saw him play a couple times n said...hey the kid is pretty good the poster who pimped him was pretty on target. I was surprised when the talking heads actually put him down as Not good enough to make up for the loss of Cushing. But if you wish to go back n renew old Discussions n beat your chest - so be it get it all out now. I'm looking to start anew - If I had to do it over again with HIND SIGHT...got news for you bro...Barwin still not worth a mid round pick 
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I think Pinkston has "Potential" but I agree Lavou and Greco have outplayed him, up to now, but I would not get rid of him ... JMHO
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Ooops got side tracked there. OL - still an OL NUT.
3 of our best draft picks...Joe Thomas, Kevin Mack n Schwartz...here for a long time. BTW the first pick of two regimes. Savage n Mangini/Kokinos - for a nano second I was thinking maybe Banner/Lombardi as a Safe pick that stays for years. But Warmack showed that he is no top 10 pick...not saying he doesn't deserve being in the late round. But for an OG to get taken in the top 10 he has to be a FREAK. I know 40 ain't the barometer for OL but 5.55 is not speed for a Once in a decade type of OG. He'll be dropping from the Draftniks boards I'm sure.
Lava...not a pro-bowler but he is a lot better than most dawgs give credit for. My point is please upgrade on him if the opportunity is there - but it will not be as easy a task to do as most think. He is far from being a weak link.
Now LG - Pinkston n Greco = they are the weak link of our OL...I see them both as bandaids n best served as versatile Backups. So the LG position can get upgraded pretty easily.
Its not a position to overspend in FA n I don't see any PRO BOWLER types in FA.
One kid I really like that I would "HOPE" would be there when we pick in the 3rd round.
Long of Oregon (Howie's son) - I see him as a "PERFECT" LG for us. He reminds me of Eric Steinbach except that he is a NATURAL with 300lbs on him unlike ES. not sure who else a lot of dawgs like the Fl St. kid - late round I liked Thompson from Indiana...not sure if he was at the Combine...don't remember seeing him there at all. RG Lave is not that bad n improving all the time. Yes he does go all out so when Defenders leave him finally - he will fall down to the ground a lot.
We got 3 code breakers at the Prime OL positions. Now we got to continue to develop or upgrade on the two OGs. But continuity will make LG serviceable n RG better.
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I agree eo, I would not hesitate taking Long in round 3 ...
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Any scouting reports on Travis Frederick OG Wisconsin? I haven't watched him but he decent things and that is one school that knows how to produce olinemen.
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