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link Glad to see they realize the product on the field has been godawful.
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Good news.
I keep trying to upgrade my seats.....PSL seats to Club seats but can't get a reply from my contact.
Maybe this explains it.
I want to upgrade to Club seats....why is this so friggen hard? MY PSL level is equal to Clubs.
I am wanting to pay more money. Seems like somebody should say, "OK Mr. Ballpeen, here are your options".
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I want to upgrade to Club seats....why is this so friggen hard? MY PSL level is equal to Clubs.
I am wanting to pay more money. Seems like somebody should say, "OK Mr. Ballpeen, here are your options".
Maybe it's the same somebody that manages the message board and if so, you'll be waiting a while.
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I keep trying to upgrade my seats.....PSL seats to Club seats but can't get a reply from my contact.
Maybe this explains it.
I want to upgrade to Club seats....why is this so friggen hard? MY PSL level is equal to Clubs.
I am wanting to pay more money. Seems like somebody should say, "OK Mr. Ballpeen, here are your options".
Kinda upsetting that we all paid for seat licenses though. It was a long time ago and that money is long gone so it doesn't really matter to me but I'm sure there will be some pretty upset people. I mean we paid a premium to be in the section we are in and now someone can walk in off the street and for no PSL fee and get those same seats? Doesn't seem fair, but oh well.
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The way I read it is some sections are being opened for season tickets much the way pound seats are handled.
I am sure there are sections of the stadium the team can't sell a PSL, and through research know there are X number of people who would like tickets to all the games but don't want or can't pay for a PSL on top of the tickets.
We'll just have to see how that works out. We've had this discussion before, like you, my PSL money is long gone and I have had my seats long enough that if I don't get any back, I don't really care. As a matter of principle, it would bother me to find the guy next to me was sitting PSL free where I had to fork over $3000 to sit in my 2 seats.
This probably stems from the ticket packages the team sells. They probably had a good number of people wanting to buy the whole seasons worth of tickets. My guess it is all upper rows in various sections and the corner sections which are always the last to sell to people picking and choosing tickets for a few games a year.
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After reading again, maybe not. Maybe there aren't going to be anymore PSL's, yet we (current holders) keep our benefits....I am wondering what those might be. It says only we can buy extra tickets....I've never done that. Have you?
Not only that, like I said, I don't really care if I sell my seats to someone else.....but others do. How are they going to sell their seats if people don't have to pay for a PSL? I suppose ours are on the borderline of what people might pay for to have a better seat, but that is the borderline for upper deck seats.
I just got a reply from my ticket rep. After reading this I need to find out if Joe Schmoe can just walk in to club seats for no PSL. If so, I am going to do that and just not renew my current seats. I'll fill you in when I get a reply .
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This is an awesome move by Jimmy and his people. I just feel bad that the current PSL owners don't get much, I know there are a few extra benefits that they may see, but not much. I know Jimmy can't just hand them a check and reimburse every season ticket holder, but maybe they can get them a special gift certificate for the shop, or something like that. Either way, I am happy that they are going to wait until the team is better to raise ticket prices. I think we can all agree we don't mind paying more for a playoff team. 
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they need to do something for all of you that paid the PSL and then for season tickets over the years. you are the guys who have shown the passion for the Browns in Cleveland and deserve something if they are going to take away the PSL fee.
now, what would it be? I don't know, but here are a few ideas:
1. Special "intro to camp" day for all the PSL owners. Opening day with some Browns legends on hand and a first-peek glimpse at the rookies practicing and talk with the coaches, etc.
2. Up whatever discounts you get in the team-shop and concessions. Discount books and such if necessary.
3. I don't know. What else would you guys want?
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I don't want anything other than being able to move in to club seats next year, in a section I can justify. I can't justify the high priced tickets. I use them for me. I don't entertain clients or give them away as an incentive.
I just talked to someone in the ticket office. The benefit of holding the PSL is you still have the ability to transfer the seats. In essence the PSL'less seats are just like Pound seats, so nothing is all that different. Most of the better seats are already under PSL agreements. If someone wants those, they will still have to buy them from the holder.
PSL holders are given first priority on seat relocation's. And the best seats in various sections are being held back to cover any relocation's this year before they are given out to new ticket holders.
That was my beef. I started this process last October, talking to my rep, taking a tour etc. My mind and heart is already in the club section, and thinking I was possibly going to get screwed got me a bit ticked.
So, I'll keep playing the game and hope what they are telling is how it will work out and someone isn't going to tell me sorry, we don't have any seats that match your criteria.
If that happens, this may be my last season as a ticket holder.
It's bizarre. I am trying to spend another $120 per game for 2 seats and can't get anybody to say "Sure, come on down!" 
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A few years ago, they used to have draft day parties at the stadium. At one, you could pay extra and you got a breakfast in the Browns locker room, got to meet and greet the players, got to go on the field, tour the press box, etc. It was pretty cool.
I wouldn't mind if they offered something like that to PSL people, maybe at a reduced price. Like $150 a person for PSL holders and $300 a person for non-PSL holders.
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A few years ago, they used to have draft day parties at the stadium. At one, you could pay extra and you got a breakfast in the Browns locker room, got to meet and greet the players, got to go on the field, tour the press box, etc. It was pretty cool.
I wouldn't mind if they offered something like that to PSL people, maybe at a reduced price. Like $150 a person for PSL holders and $300 a person for non-PSL holders.
It is a lot harder to do that now since the first round of the draft is on a Thursday night. That still irritates me.
I'm a little irritated by the no PSL thing since I spent 3K on them, but I understand that they are trying to get fans back in the stadium.
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I'm a little irritated by the no PSL thing since I spent 3K on them
That's awful. I really hope they do something for all you guys. You deserve some kind of really nice gesture.
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If the Browns start winning, won't the value of the PSLs return to previous levels? And then wouldn't the people that bought without the PSLs have an option to opt into a PSL?
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Cleveland Browns get rid of personal seat licenses, offer season tickets without PSL
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/sports/footb...ets-without-psl
LOL... the final kick in the crotch for current Browns PSL/season ticket holders. Luckily, I think most of us recognized the whole PSL thing for the swindle it was and weren't expecting to get anything back (although a couple hundred bucks would have been nice to put toward an upgraded TV  ).
Oh well... One less reason to hang on to my seats for another year of this mess! 
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A few years ago, they used to have draft day parties at the stadium. At one, you could pay extra and you got a breakfast in the Browns locker room, got to meet and greet the players, got to go on the field, tour the press box, etc. It was pretty cool.
I wouldn't mind if they offered something like that to PSL people, maybe at a reduced price. Like $150 a person for PSL holders and $300 a person for non-PSL holders.
It is a lot harder to do that now since the first round of the draft is on a Thursday night. That still irritates me.
I'm a little irritated by the no PSL thing since I spent 3K on them, but I understand that they are trying to get fans back in the stadium.
That bothers me as well, but to a lesser degree. I simply expected to die holding the seats, but I am 25 or so years older than you. Unless some unfortunate event happens or I live to some crazy age, I am going Home before you.
It is what it is. A few hours have passed and the blood pressure has leveled, but I am still going to be ticked if some guy who walked up yesterday, for no fee, ends up with the seats I have worked for through the system to get ends up with them.
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I'm a PSL owner and I'm not happy. Thats all I want to say right now.
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I'm a PSL owner and I'm not happy. Thats all I want to say right now.
Not sure why. As I understand it, if you are a PSL owner, you get to keep the advantages of PSL ownership and other seats that are not currently held by PSL owners will not be made available to PSL ownership.
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Except that any advantages there were to being a PSL owner (and there weren't really any tangible benefits to speak of) just went out the window. Who's going to pay to take my seats when they can just grab the two seats next to mine that are open and don't come with a PSL license fee? Nobody of course.
I'm not sure what JimmyJoe could have done for those of us who ponied up PSL money, but they shouldn't have bothered to try and make the case that there's still value in being a PSL-owner. That's basically an insult to one's intelligence. To me, that's more annoying than the actual dumping of the PSL. ::shrug::
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Except that any advantages there were to being a PSL owner (and there weren't really any tangible benefits to speak of) just went out the window. Who's going to pay to take my seats when they can just grab the two seats next to mine that are open and don't come with a PSL license fee? Nobody of course.
I'm not sure what JimmyJoe could have done for those of us who ponied up PSL money, but they shouldn't have bothered to try and make the case that there's still value in being a PSL-owner. That's basically an insult to one's intelligence. To me, that's more annoying than the actual dumping of the PSL. ::shrug::
Here's what I don't get.
Why did you purchase the PSL in the first place? I would have thought that it was to ensure that you could purchase season tickets for the seat that YOU wanted. Not sure why it should matter what anyone else does.
Am I misunderstanding something here? If I am, someone please explain this to me.
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Except that any advantages there were to being a PSL owner (and there weren't really any tangible benefits to speak of) just went out the window. Who's going to pay to take my seats when they can just grab the two seats next to mine that are open and don't come with a PSL license fee? Nobody of course.
I'm not sure what JimmyJoe could have done for those of us who ponied up PSL money, but they shouldn't have bothered to try and make the case that there's still value in being a PSL-owner. That's basically an insult to one's intelligence. To me, that's more annoying than the actual dumping of the PSL. ::shrug::
Here's what I don't get.
Why did you purchase the PSL in the first place? I would have thought that it was to ensure that you could purchase season tickets for the seat that YOU wanted. Not sure why it should matter what anyone else does.
Am I misunderstanding something here? If I am, someone please explain this to me.
Maybe because we wanted to support the team and have tickets and am a bit upset we did so because now someone like you who didn't support the team beyond your words can now be sitting next to me scott free of a PSL fee.
Just saying.
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Except that any advantages there were to being a PSL owner (and there weren't really any tangible benefits to speak of) just went out the window. Who's going to pay to take my seats when they can just grab the two seats next to mine that are open and don't come with a PSL license fee? Nobody of course.
I'm not sure what JimmyJoe could have done for those of us who ponied up PSL money, but they shouldn't have bothered to try and make the case that there's still value in being a PSL-owner. That's basically an insult to one's intelligence. To me, that's more annoying than the actual dumping of the PSL. ::shrug::
Here's what I don't get.
Why did you purchase the PSL in the first place? I would have thought that it was to ensure that you could purchase season tickets for the seat that YOU wanted. Not sure why it should matter what anyone else does.
Am I misunderstanding something here? If I am, someone please explain this to me.
Maybe because we wanted to support the team and have tickets and am a bit upset we did so because now someone like you who didn't support the team beyond your words can now be sitting next to me scott free of a PSL fee.
Just saying.
I've been to a single game at the stadium, in 2008. The opener against Dallas with my wife. We stayed with my aunt and uncle in Strongsville because my wife overpaid for the tickets as a birthday gift for me. She's a Cowboys fan and I'm a Browns fan so made for an enjoyable trip.
Trust me, I'm not going to make many trips from central New York to Cleveland very often to attend Browns games. I'll be buying a ticket or two for a specific game and if I can't get a set of seats together, I'm screwed.
Get over yourselves and quit your complaining. Don't want to pay for the PSL and the season tickets, then don't buy them. Nobody will care.
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Get over yourselves and quit your complaining. Don't want to pay for the PSL and the season tickets, then don't buy them. Nobody will care.
That's rich coming from a guy who's never BEEN a season-ticket holder. If you have no idea what you're talking about, it's generally wise to keep quiet. But that's never been your style, has it? 
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Here's the problem...the Browns just completely screwed over the PSL owner with this. Lets say I can no longer afford to purchase my season tix. So, I decide to sell my PSL. Who's going to buy it now? Who's going to pay me the $700 PSL fee when they can just get the seats next to me for just the cost of the tix.
Why would the Browns screw over the fans who have been there for them, especially with the . poor product on the field? Honestly, the benefits of being a PSL owner are extremely minimal. First dibs on upgrades (for which you have to pay a new PSL fee, if I understand that correctly), you're guaranteed the same seats year in year out, and a discount at the team shop. Can't think of much else beyond that.
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Why would the Browns screw over the fans who have been there for them, especially with the . poor product on the field? Honestly, the benefits of being a PSL owner are extremely minimal. First dibs on upgrades (for which you have to pay a new PSL fee, if I understand that correctly), you're guaranteed the same seats year in year out, and a discount at the team shop. Can't think of much else beyond that.
You're guaranteed the seats that you want. My wife way overpaid for seats in the nosebleeds because she didn't know any better and she wanted for me to be happy about going to the game between our two teams. Although she vastly overpaid, it was an enjoyable time.
You do know the reason it's called a 'personal seat license', don't you? The whole concept is that you get the same seat year in and year out. Don't like that then buy a ticket like everyone else that doesn't have a PSL or season tickets. Hope you get a decent seat at a price that amenable to you.
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I attempted to sell my psls last year and was quite unsuccessful because of the quality of the product. Now if I tried to resell, to even attempt to recoup even a small amount of my investment, I'd be screwed by the fact that the seats next to me wouldn't have to pay that psl fee. As a consumer, which do you think people will buy? Moneys tight all around for so many people, they'll choose the option with the least amount of cash to lay out. That = a screwed over PSL owner.
Mind you, I am no longer a psl holder or season ticket holder. I couldn't even get someone to buy my season tix from me last year. And, well, life happens. I had a financial choice to make...tix or other more important things to pay for/prioritze for.
But this isn't about me, it's about the other PSL owners who are now left holding a valueless PSL since the team no longer puts a value on them. Sure, they still get the seats every game, so will the new season tix owners. And both will still get the same seats year in year out as long as they pay for the season by the agreed to payment terms.
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You are right. The further away a season ticket holder is from a premium seat (people who own on the 50, row 10 lowers are going to be OK) the harder it will be to ever sell your PSL.
I don't have premium seats. I have good seats....45 yard line, upper deck, row 19. I might be at the fringe of being able to sell the PSL's for something, though I doubt the $1500 per seat I paid for them.
As I said before, I never really expected to sell my seats. Some years ago I just figured I would die while still holding them. Last year my views began to change. Winning and losing aside, it is beginning to become a drag traveling up to as many games as I do. The fact of the matter is I am not getting any younger. The 3 nights on the road that I typically dedicate to these trips isn't as enjoyable as they once were. By the next to last game I plan on attending I am about ready for it to be over, and the last couple have simply skipped the final planned game. Not so much because we stink, but because I simply don't want to make the trip. So the thinking has changed to sitting in the clubs for a few more years until the Browns price me out of the seats. I figure around $150 or so per seat per game is my limit...$3000 a year for tickets, ...that's about 20% away. I figure that is at least 2-3 price increases away which might be 5-6 years away.
At that point, I hope selling off PSL's to club seats will be easier than selling PSL's in the upper deck. If not, I got my monies worth of enjoyment out of them and can simply walk away.
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If having the PSL's gaurantees you the same seat year in and year out, that is a HUGE incentive. If you just buy the season tickets each year and never get dibs on seats, only what's available. The lower seats will probably never be available to non-PSL holders.
I have 4 tickets. If they say I can go ahead and get 4 more for nothing, I would certainly consider. Especially if you have friends who will buy. Realistically, when the Browns get good, and the WILL get good, we're looking at a Patriots run if you will (laugh now), but the lower bowl so to speak could be all and only PSL owners. If anyone wants to sit close to the field, when the Browns are good, you could sell those seats all day long on ebay for an inflated price...
In other words, my understanding is that as a PSL owner, I could still get dibs on someone's season tickets from a season ago if they weren't PSL owners.... If this is not the case, then there's not really any point in being a PSL owner.
And if this is the case, this is a good idea for both PSL owners and the Cleveland Browns... I'm sure that many PSL owners will be upset, but that's the wrong response. What they would love to have happen is all current PSL owners take on another set of PSL's and eventually transfer them to another party. Current PSL owners make out of this deal as do the Browns... they sell the tickets. For this to happen, I have to assume that there are currently less than 39,000 season tickets.
Very smart for both parties... the PSL owners just need to take advantage and you'll make out in the long run...
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If having the PSL's gaurantees you the same seat year in and year out, that is a HUGE incentive. If you just buy the season tickets each year and never get dibs on seats, only what's available. The lower seats will probably never be available to non-PSL holders.
I have 4 tickets. If they say I can go ahead and get 4 more for nothing, I would certainly consider. Especially if you have friends who will buy. Realistically, when the Browns get good, and the WILL get good, we're looking at a Patriots run if you will (laugh now), but the lower bowl so to speak could be all and only PSL owners. If anyone wants to sit close to the field, when the Browns are good, you could sell those seats all day long on ebay for an inflated price...
In other words, my understanding is that as a PSL owner, I could still get dibs on someone's season tickets from a season ago if they weren't PSL owners.... If this is not the case, then there's not really any point in being a PSL owner.
And if this is the case, this is a good idea for both PSL owners and the Cleveland Browns... I'm sure that many PSL owners will be upset, but that's the wrong response. What they would love to have happen is all current PSL owners take on another set of PSL's and eventually transfer them to another party. Current PSL owners make out of this deal as do the Browns... they sell the tickets. For this to happen, I have to assume that there are currently less than 39,000 season tickets.
Very smart for both parties... the PSL owners just need to take advantage and you'll make out in the long run...
To me a season ticket is one you can get the same seats year after year. Before the PSL nonsense that is how it worked. The more I thought about this yesterday the more upset I got just on the principal of it. Then I got my e-mail today saying invoices have been sent. I'm going to wait a day or two to calm down and e-mail my ticket rep.
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I emailed my guy, John LaForce. I'll let you all know what response I get.
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Thanks - once I get my response I'll post here as well.
I've got a feeling the ticket reps are VERY busy and dealing with a VERY upset fanbase. This is not the way to treat the most loyal of the fans but they know very few people will do anything about other than complain.
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I've got a feeling the ticket reps are VERY busy and dealing with a VERY upset fanbase. This is not the way to treat the most loyal of the fans but they know very few people will do anything about other than complain.
I have already called and expressed my feelings.
I agree....those people are catching shi....crap now......and it isn't their fault. It's just their job to catch the crap.
I paid my tickets in full today.....good for them, but if I don't get what I want and some guy off the street gets the seats I want, I'll rip my tickets up and never spend a dime in Cleveland again
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I hate to say it, but this actually makes me feel better about giving mine up last year and getting no return from it.
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Just spoke with my service rep, John LaForce (obviously either a fictitious name or he used to be an American Gladiator).
Essentially what he said is that PSL owners still get preference when it comes to relocation. I told him I couldn't afford to relocate, so what benefit do I get? He didn't really have a good answer for that.
I told him that I think PSL owners would be happy if we just got some sort of reward for owning PSLs. What that is, I have no idea.
In any event, I didn't expect him to tell me anything, and I know it isn't his fault. Just wanted to express my opinion.
So, nothing new, lol.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I'm kinda in the same frame of mind as Ballpeen. When I got the PSLs I just assumed that I would pass on the tickets to one of my kids when I couldn't attend games anymore. I have thought of selling my PSLs in the past but I always talked myself down off that ledge. However, the fact that I did not sell them does not equate to them having no value. Until now. The Browns hold all the cards here, unfortunately. Unless virtually all the PSL holders could get together and somehow embarass them in a national public forum, which will never happen, this idiotic decision will stand because we have virtually no legal rights that I can see.
If they follow through with the no PSL decision what they should do is get rid of all PSLs period. Of course, then they would have to accomodate the current PSL holders in some way or there would be a bunch of lawsuits, meritless or not. Perhaps rebating back a prorated amount of what the last stated value of the PSL? A special catered PSL holders only Draft party at the stadium? Free game day food for every year you've had the seats? A hand job? Something. Anything.
Am I pissed? You bet. But I learned a long, long time ago that life is very seldom fair. But I also was taught that loyalty should be rewarded if possible. Apparently, Joe Banner and Uncle Jimmy never learned that last lesson. I won't hold a grudge here. But I won't forget either.
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I can understand the predicament that you're in. I understand the thought process on your part and maybe in a goodwill gesture, Mr. Haslam will grant you some reimbursement for the purchase you made.
However, it seems to me that PSL owners are upset over non-issues. You keep all PSL advantages now. That is, if you could transfer those seats, you can still do so. You could still sell them. While it's true that someone could buy the seats next to yours without the PSL, they wouldn't necessarily be able to get the same seats year after year. As long as your holding that PSL, you always have the same seats. And, if you can't make a game, you can sell those tickets just like you always could.
Maybe I'm missing something. Isn't getting the same seat year after year the reason for the PSL?
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Maybe I don't understand the new policy. But as I understand it, if a guy off the street walks in and wants the seats in front of mine and they are (in essence) owned by the Browns he can purchase them at the same price that I pay minus the PSL fee that I paid to start the process. Then in future years he'll be able to buy those same seats as long as he pays up by a set date (April 1st, perhaps) that would be considered an early date when compared to years past.
The PSL holder can pay for his seats at any time up to the concluding date (which I believe in the past was as late as August depending on the payment plan that you chose) and still keep the same seats. The PSL also allows you first choice if you want to move into another area as long as you pay by that "early" date.
Both the PSL holder and the non-holder can sell individual game tickets to anyone they want during the year as long as they don't "scalp" them on stadium property. I believe there may also a clause in there that states they can't be above face value but I could be mistaken on that part.
Now, if I am correct in the above statements just exactly who is going to want to shell out a PSL fee to me for my seats? Maybe I am missing the forest for the trees but it sure seems to me that what the Browns just did to me was crap in my cereal bowl and try to tell me it's new chocolate covered Cheerios.
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I think the Browns owe something to PSL holders to try and compensate them. Not sure what the price of PSL's were, but something like parking vouchers, concession stand coupons, or even a brass plate with your name on the seats you own. It would probably only be a gesture, compared to the cost of the PSL, but the team needs to acknowledge the grievance. IMO.
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I have had a few days tho think this through and soak in what i was told by my seat rep.
We still have all the benefits we had before, which wasn't much.
The main one being we have firrst selection on moving our seats to a better location. Non-PSL holders have 5o wait to see if any PSL holders want those seats.
Here is the catch IMO. When you put in a relacation form, you have to sesigate which section you would like to sit in.....say you say 134. There might not be any openings in 134.....but there might be in 135...thus you won't get the upfrade. At some point a new person is going to get to pick and choose their seats. Someone is going to tell them there are 2 seats here, and 2 seats there.
In the long run, if you have what I call premium seats, you'll be OK. The further away from premium you get, the harder it will be to sell your PSL.
In our cases, Otto is in the lower bowl, more or less next to the dawgpound, so his are at the low end of the lower bowl seats. Mine are on the 40 yeard line, upper deck, row 19.
I think both of us are kind of at the cusp....we might still get buyers, but maybe not...his being lowers probably give him a slight edge though my sight lines are better being on the 40-45, but upper deck.
It is what it is, though I'll be ticked if I can't get in to the clubs this season. If it puts more people in the stands and helps rev up the environment, I am ok with it.
Things change....the $1200 some spent on a flatscreen plasma was $800 a couple of years later.
Here is what I'd like the Browns to do for PSL holders, it could be on a seniority type deal.
The Browns should contact ticket holders and give them a updrade option.....your seats are here, we can move you 4 rows closer in the same section, do you want the move? If not, fine, but we have non PSL holders ready to take them if you choose not to do so.
That's what I would like to see.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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