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I was so jacked when I heard the news. Wanted no part of Avril. Wanted Kruger and I think we got him at a good price.
I come on here and start reading crappola about us cutting guys and the BS about the 4-3 and 3-4. I know a lot of those guys from the other board and they loved the past regime and hate the new one. Starting their negativity when it should be a happy day. It bothers me.
It shouldn't, but it does.
I thought the same thing. Personally I wanted Avril more, I just think hes the better athlete, but I am very excited for Kruger. With the money we saved based off the proposed Avril contract we were able to get Bryant. I love the moves we made today and am excited to see the product on the field.
I share your frustration though. Can we see Sheard in this Def before we bash the move to the 3-4. I heard the same whining about Dumerville, Freeney and Mathis when they switched to the 3-4 to. Lets just wait and see, geez.
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I can't believe Michael Huff is 30.
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Wow. I didn't realize that he was 30. That may rule him out for us unless it's on a reasonable type deal ..... but we might not even look at him.
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I share your frustration though. Can we see Sheard in this Def before we bash the move to the 3-4. I heard the same whining about Dumerville, Freeney and Mathis when they switched to the 3-4 to. Lets just wait and see, geez.
Agree.
As for the frustration, I seen one poster state Browns should have went after Harrison. Harrison...Dude is approaching 35! This same poster complained bitterly about re-stocking up on old guys. smh!
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I'd like to see Robertson win the inside job.
I think we can find someone out of that group though.
6'1 229 at inside linebacker? Don't think so..
That's about the same size as Daryl Washington of the Cardinals last year.
He had 109 tackles, 9 sacks, and an INT.
Horton seems to like big OLB and really fast ILB. I believe that Sheard is potentially one of those bigger OLB types in his eyes.
So we will have Kruger on one side and Sheard on the other. Insuring we have zero coverage skill at either OLB position. In a pass first second and third league.... we do that this D better get 50+ sacks and have constant and blistering pressure at ALL times.
I can live with one DE pretending to play linebacker. Basically, that's what he plays, defensive end. He sets the edge and rushes the passer. That's a defensive end Having two defensive ends pretending to play linebacker? That's a five man front. no matter what you call it. Hard to play a five man front in a pass happy league. You really need coverage skills out of your linebackers. That's how I see it anyway. We shall see how this works come September.
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How do we know what we'll get from Sheard in coverage? He's a quick DE. We'll have to see is he can set an edge in the run game ..... which is my biggest concern about him moving to OLB. I suspect that we'll use him in zone cover on occasion, but probably not man cover. He'll probably struggle at first in some regards, but we do have excellent teachers on this staff. Hopefully Sheard will be a good student.
I'm not willing to write him off before he has a chance to shine.
I'm not sure why you feel that Kruger is a DE "only". He mainly played OLB last year, and was an effective OLB.
It does seem like you're looking for problems where none exist right now. There are a lot of questions whenever a team changes schemes. We are changing schemes on offense and defense. It is each coach on our staff's job to teach the players their schemes, and to put them in position to succeed. That seems to be a real strength of Horton, so I will trust his ability to do so until he proves that he cannot do so.
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Great signing at 8mil per. Very good job getting this done
I'll happily up my confidence level in this new "consensus" by 5% to 15%
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Who was the cover Olb for the steelers these past few years? Was it Harrison or Woodley? Neither is very good in coverage.
Who has been the Ravens cover Olb? Kruger, Suggs or Upshaw? Neither Suggs or Upshaw has any coverage skills and you already eliminated Kruger.
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Who was the cover Olb for the steelers these past few years? Was it Harrison or Woodley? Neither is very good in coverage.
Who has been the Ravens cover Olb? Kruger, Suggs or Upshaw? Neither Suggs or Upshaw has any coverage skills and you already eliminated Kruger.
Good rebuttal, Jester.
I think both teams use their ILBers more for coverage than their OLBers. Think about the size of the guys. The OLBers are bigger. The ILBers are smaller and more agile.
I think the emphasis is having guys who can get after the QB. Kruger and Sheard can do that. And again, I just don't think we are going to line-up in a straight 3-4 all the time. I think we will mix up our fronts. I think we will be moving guys all over the place. Some people are looking at this w/a narrow mind.
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Great signing at 8mil per. Very good job getting this done
I'll happily up my confidence level in this new "consensus" by 5% to 15%
It appears this new group is focused and ready to make upgrades..Kruger is a good signing..now with the other two, the Browns aren't backed into a corner having to take a OLB at 6.
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OLB? We just signed 2 and have Sheard...typo? or do you think Sheard will be shipped?
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Was that a typo? Why are they backed into a corner?
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OLB? We just signed 2 and have Sheard...typo? or do you think Sheard will be shipped?
Groves is more of a rotational player. But I could see Gocong being let go ..that injury may slow him down but we'll see.
Sheard is the ????? .He's got a lot to show. I won't say they are shipping him out but they are covering their backs by picking up Groves.
I mentioned a while ago when they said they were going to a 34 that all the LB;'s we have do not fit the scheme.
Vers, that was a typo.
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OLB? We just signed 2 and have Sheard...typo? or do you think Sheard will be shipped?
Here is my order of my favorite DL that I think one will be traded for a 1st or 2nd + draft pick(s) ... 1. Jabaal Sheard 2. Atabba Rubin 3. Phil Taylor ... Which one I don't know but I feel they want more picks and we are very strong on the DL ... JMHO 
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I figured it was a typo. Just wanted to make sure that others knew it, too. 
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They could still target a DE/OLB like a a Jordan /Ansah/ @ 6 , it just means they're picking the best available for them and not a needy pick.
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OLB? We just signed 2 and have Sheard...typo? or do you think Sheard will be shipped?
I mentioned a while ago when they said they were going to a 34 that all the LB;'s we have do not fit the scheme.
that has to be an opinion not something you saw written that the org said.
I've already pointed out that DQ, JMJ,FORT and Robertson still fit the style of 3-4 we will run. they only need to potentially gain a few pounds.
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U pointed it out? Guess what? They don't all fit. DQ will never put on extra weight, he can't ,his frame won't carry it. JMJ might be the better fit(today) to play the SILB spot next to Jackson but we'll see what they do to the interior. If they do upgrade it watch ,it will be with a bigger harder hitting ILB.
This is not something the org said but things I observe from watching these guys and knowing they don't all fit this scheme.
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U pointed it out? Guess what? They don't all fit. DQ will never put on extra weight, he can't ,his frame won't carry it. JMJ might be the better fit(today) to play the SILB spot next to Jackson but we'll see what they do to the interior. If they do upgrade it watch ,it will be with a bigger harder hitting ILB.
This is not something the org said but things I observe from watching these guys and knowing they don't all fit this scheme.
so.... .. ... ... you think only DQ is not suited? because that was all I got and you said JMJ might fit.
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Here is my order of my favorite DL that I think one will be traded for a 1st or 2nd + draft pick(s) ... 1. Jabaal Sheard 2. Atabba Rubin 3. Phil Taylor ... Which one I don't know but I feel they want more picks and we are very strong on the DL ... JMHO
That is a strong possibility. The other possibility is that we are setting up our draft so that we can trade back to get an extra pick or 2...
If I'm looking at the Browns draft now, knowing who we have signed, I might be inclined to entertain offers for a trade out of 6 back into the early 20s... sit on the offer, if Milliner is available, I draft him, if he's not, I take the offer and trade back for a Tight End and add a couple more picks a second this year and something good next year (I'm not real good at speculating those kinds of things)... My guess is that there is a contending team drafting in the 20s that would love to have one of the premier pass rushers in the draft...
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Didn't say DQ was not suited. I said all the LB's are not suited. Look at the roster of LB's .Including the newest aquisitions:
Carder
Fort
Jackson
Kruger (OLB)
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U want to tell me all these guys fit and will stick around?
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Didn't say DQ was not suited. I said all the LB's are not suited. Look at the roster of LB's .Including the newest aquisitions:
Carder
Fort
Jackson
Kruger (OLB)
Maiava
Moten
Robertson
Groves(OLB)
Sheard(now a OLB)
Gocong
U want to tell me all these guys fit and will stick around?
I never said that all of them fit- you DID say all of them will not fit.
I listed off 4 that should be around.
DQ JMJ Robertson and Fort.
we can add Groves and Sheard and Kruger
that will give us 7 LB's (so far)
and by saying "all LB's" that would include DQ so yes you did say DQ is not suited
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Even if we had stayed with the 4-3, we still needed more impactful linebackers... so even the ones we had weren't all going to stick around...
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I think Fort will be a casualty. I hope Robertson isn't because I think he can be a very good nickel-LBer. That means he also needs to excel on STs though and I didn't pay attention to his role there last season.
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I 've stated in years past what I think of Jackson.
I haven't changed my stance even though he's had some good seasons.
He's played hard but he's not a enforcer type LB, not one opposing OC's have to scheme for.
But the rest is going to be put through a sifter, and we'll see some changes.I don't have the quote but Banner was not pleased with the defense especially the nickle D against the run.
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I was kind of disappointed at how he started out last year like a house on fire ...... then stalled out.
In his 1st 2 games, he had 3 sacks, 2 INT, had 5 passes defensed, and recovered a fumble.
At year's end, he had 3.5 sacks, 2 INT, 9 passes defensed, but he did add to his fumble totals, forcing 2 and recovering one more over the final 14 games.
Aside from those couple of fumbles, he really wasn't a huge impact on defense. He only had 2 "stuffs" for the year, and 1 of those was in game 1.
He looked like he was well on his way to a huge, impactful, Pro Bowl type season after the 1st couple of games. Then he just seemed to stall out. He was never again as good as he was in those 1st 2 games. He never impacted the game again like he did in those 2 games. He was OK ..... but he wasn't what many of us hoped he would become.
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I like the idea of Sheard and Kruger both bringing heat from the outside.
But I have to worry b/c both guys seem to struggle against the run and in coverage.
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I think Fort will be a casualty. I hope Robertson isn't because I think he can be a very good nickel-LBer. That means he also needs to excel on STs though and I didn't pay attention to his role there last season.
If Fort is a casualy, it should be because we have someone we think will be better.
I think Robertson will back up DQ and maybe join him on the field in nickle situations as you've suggested. SILB is still a question mark to me. Maybe they roll with Gocong this year just to eat the cap they have to.
Maybe they end up drafting Manti Te'o
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yes, I think Fort will be a casualty because we will get an option Horton thinks will be better. either late draft, late FA period, or UDFA.
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I think Fort will be a casualty. I hope Robertson isn't because I think he can be a very good nickel-LBer. That means he also needs to excel on STs though and I didn't pay attention to his role there last season.
If Fort is a casualy, it should be because we have someone we think will be better.
I think Robertson will back up DQ and maybe join him on the field in nickle situations as you've suggested. SILB is still a question mark to me. Maybe they roll with Gocong this year just to eat the cap they have to.
Maybe they end up drafting Manti Te'o
Robertson is wayyy to fast to be an ILB. Fort has sick nasty speed too for an LB
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I really like Robertson as an ILB in this scheme with his ability to run and cover. Plus with those big guys in the middle and his great burst, he could snake through a hole pretty damn quick. I know he is small but he has big time potential in this scheme.
DQ I like but I agree that he isn't a big impact guy. We will see how he responds to this system.
Gocong I expect to be released to be honest. Slow before an achilles injury so now, he is gonna be really slow.
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I really like Robertson as an ILB in this scheme with his ability to run and cover. Plus with those big guys in the middle and his great burst, he could snake through a hole pretty damn quick. I know he is small but he has big time potential in this scheme.
DQ I like but I agree that he isn't a big impact guy. We will see how he responds to this system.
Gocong I expect to be released to be honest. Slow before an achilles injury so now, he is gonna be really slow.
I do too. But, when I said it yesterday I was basically called nuts because he's too small. I still say he's the best tackler on the team and might go as far to say is an untapped leader!
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Does this ESPN'er have a brain?  Cleveland Browns first NFL free agency signing is a questionable one - ESPN http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/66948/browns-first-signing-is-a-questionable-oneKruger is a part-time player, not an every-down one. He doesn't have the size to hold up against the run, which is why the Ravens used a second-round pick on Courtney Upshaw last year. He doesn't have the size to hold up against the run? If he's an OLB, then he's a big OLB. He goes 6'4" and 270#. Not big enough to hold up to the run? Really? Does this pinhead think that we're going to use him as a DE?
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you are going to make me defend an ESPN talking head?
sigh.
he is correct that baltimore subbed out Kruger on many run-situations including during their playoff run. he is much better against the pass and creating disruptions. what baltimore found was that the more rested he was, the more impact per play he could also provide.
these are reasons that I (and others) do not believe we are done at OLB. also, it could be how Kruger/Sheard/Groves/4th OLB end up rotating in and out.
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