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Click the reply button on the post of the person you're replying to. Otherwise, you just type JC (which stands for Just Clicking)
And you were writing about Phil Hughes being in our rotation, but I think Phil's still in the Yankees rotation.
I agree though. Trying to run into this season with Wynn and Hughes having to do starting duties makes no sense. Let those guys learn a new system and come in during situations (or when someone is hurt). Keeping the D-Line fresh has to work well. Wynn on passing situations and Hughes on rushing
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I think it's outrageous as why would t he Browns get rid of one of the best players we have? I don't think Rubin or Taylor goes anwhere. We needed another DE. Now we have one.
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Because you're talking about trading arguably our best defensive player
You really think Rubin is better than Joe Haden? Joe's the 2nd best corner in football, he's even said so.
Otherwise, I totally agree, why would we ever get rid of Rubin, a guy who's actually played NT/DE in the 3-4.
This whole, Taylor or Rubin gone thing seems ridiculous. And if there's any truth to it, i'll be pretty upset
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I don't get it. DE - Desmond Bryant NT - Rubin DE - Phil Taylor
Backups John Hughes, Billy Wynn
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DE- Bryant
NT- Taylor
DE- Winn
Goodbye- Rubin.
Where the hell do you guys get this stuff????
Why do you think it's so outrageous?
Because you're talking about trading arguably our best defensive player
Sorry, but I think you're are wrong saying he's "arguably" our best defensive player....particularly after moving to a 3-4.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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We already had a strong DL, and now it is even stronger ... JMHO 
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I don't expect to make any friends with my observation but I feel compelled to say what I'm about to say.
The Browns have a slew of their own free agents they have shown no interest in resigning. There is room to add quality all over the roster.
I don't begrudge any fans their free speech rights.
Browns fans have an annoying habit of suggesting that the signing of one player equals the demise of another player. Not just this year but year over year this is what I see. Then as the season turns ugly fans lament how the team has no depth.
It may be a radical concept, so sit down before reading what I am going to say...having quality players at the same position is ok. That's what winning organizations do.
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I think some folks are forgetting how speedy Phil actually is! Rubins not a slug either for a big guy.
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I don't get it. DE - Desmond Bryant NT - Rubin DE - Phil Taylor
Backups John Hughes, Billy Wynn
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DE- Bryant
NT- Taylor
DE- Winn
Goodbye- Rubin.
Where the hell do you guys get this stuff????
Grossi it seems.
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This whole, Taylor or Rubin gone thing seems ridiculous. And if there's any truth to it, i'll be pretty upset
The only reason that I can see for moving Rubin is because of his contract, but at this moment, it's not the problem that it could be in a couple years.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/ahtyba-rubin/
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I'm dying in anticipation.  Petey so far has the gist of it for me. We are better with this signing.
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Why do some of you think we will trade a defensive lineman?
Clearly it will be DE Bryant NT Rubin and DE Taylor....we sorely needed an OLB and a DE for the 3-4 to work...no way we trade a 3-4 ready DL'man
Are you replying to me or someone else? Cause I'm wondering the same thing you are (as it concerns the folks who think Rubin or Taylor is gone)
Imagine fresh dlinemen in the fourth quarter! It's a beautiful thing!
Taylor and Rubin are both MORE than capable of playing DE in the 3-4....I don't know Bryant well but he would appear to be versatile as well....the only true NT I see on the team is probably Kitchen as I don't think he could play DE...
After this signing, obviously the Browns don't think, that compared to Bryant, they (Rubin or Taylor) cannot play DE or they would not have signed the deal.
Haven't many, including reports from the Browns' staff targeted Winn at DE? Who's the odd man out?
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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I think some folks are forgetting how speedy Phil actually is! Rubins not a slug either for a big guy.
That's what I'm thinking. Rubin is not some slow DT. He has pass rush capability. As I said, he's played DE and NT. He has gotten some major sacks in our 4-3 as well. The guy is not a slob. He's pretty quick
And Phil Taylor said from the moment he was drafted, that he gets after the QB. The guy is quick
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This whole, Taylor or Rubin gone thing seems ridiculous. And if there's any truth to it, i'll be pretty upset
The only reason that I can see for moving Rubin is because of his contract, but at this moment, it's not the problem that it could be in a couple years.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/ahtyba-rubin/
OR Horton sees Taylor as a better NT than Rubin in his scheme.
And IMO neither of them are what Horton wants as a DE. Hence signing a player like Bryant.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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Haven't many, including reports from the Browns' staff targeted Winn at DE? Who's the odd man out?
Winn might be targeted as a DE, but I definitely don't think we're just slotting him in as a starter. He's coming off his rookie year, he's a 6th round pick. Did he play 3-4 in college?
I see Winn coming in on pass rushing situations, while learning the defense and growing as a football player. Depth isn't bad. I mean Phil Taylor got hurt before the season even started last year and we needed backups to fill in.
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Why does Winn have to be the odd man out?
You need depth in this league and he's cheap.
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Still figuring this board out...not sure how to reply to someone vs. just posting...was much easier on clevelandbrowns.com
Click the reply button on the post of the person you're replying to. Otherwise, you just type JC (which stands for Just Clicking)
And you were writing about Phil Hughes being in our rotation, but I think Phil's still in the Yankees rotation.
I agree though. Trying to run into this season with Wynn and Hughes having to do starting duties makes no sense. Let those guys learn a new system and come in during situations (or when someone is hurt). Keeping the D-Line fresh has to work well. Wynn on passing situations and Hughes on rushing
Lol I meant John Hughes....point taken
for the record I think both Wynn and Hughes will excel in role player situations as I think both have talent
thanks for the advice btw trying this board on for size
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OR Horton sees Taylor as a better NT than Rubin in his scheme.
And IMO neither of them are what Horton wants as a DE. Hence signing a player like Bryant.
Or he likes BIG defensive linemen.
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what does an RFA cost us on picks etc?
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Because you're talking about trading arguably our best defensive player
I honestly just don't see the FO trading Rubin. It's kind of curious to see everyone complain about depth on the DL. 
I can't think back to a time where the Browns had 5 guys who I all felt really good about.
I'm sure anyone is available for the right price but Bryant is definitely a 3-4 DE IMO. That leaves Taylor and Rubin to hold down the NT spot. That position really gets beat up in a 3-4. Being able to rotate two quality players there is a really nice luxury.
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I Browns fans have an annoying habit of suggesting that the signing of one player equals the demise of another player. Not just this year but year over year this is what I see. Then as the season turns ugly fans lament how the team has no depth.
This needs to be requoted 1000000 times
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what does an RFA cost us on picks etc?
Depends on what hte RFA was tendered at. The team tenders them based on what they want to pay them for the season. 1st round gets more than a 2nd round, etc.
And for a guy tendered with the 1st round, you have to pay more than the tender team is willing to pay and you have to give up a 1st round pick. So on for each round
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OR Horton sees Taylor as a better NT than Rubin in his scheme.
And IMO neither of them are what Horton wants as a DE. Hence signing a player like Bryant.
Or he likes BIG defensive linemen.
Rubin, Taylor and Bryant...That's a slab of men!
Combined weight of what?
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OR Horton sees Taylor as a better NT than Rubin in his scheme.
And IMO neither of them are what Horton wants as a DE. Hence signing a player like Bryant.
Or he likes BIG defensive linemen.
Rubin, Taylor and Bryant...That's a slab of men!
Combined weight of what?
Like 960 or so.
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Still figuring this board out...not sure how to reply to someone vs. just posting...was much easier on clevelandbrowns.com
Yeah I am glad I am not the only one who found/finds that strange...
You just reply, it's the standard. If you don't mean your comment to be directed to the poster you clicked "reply" on, just put j/c (just clicking) and then type your post. May take some getting used to, but after a decade+, you get used it lol.
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Everyone is freaking out about getting an extra guy meaning we have to cut someone else. It doesn't have to mean that. What it does mean is competition and depth. Something the Browns have been lacking for nearly 15 years now.
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Rubin, Taylor and Bryant...That's a slab of men!
Combined weight of what?
Well, Rubin is listed at 330, Taylor comes in at 335 and Bryant is the lightest at 311. About 980 total pounds.
Adding in Hughes (320), Winn (295) and Kitchen (330) and you're closing in on an actual ton!
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Combined weight of what?
Well, Rubin is listed at 330, Taylor comes in at 335 and Bryant is the lightest at 311. About 980 total pounds.
Adding in Hughes (320), Winn (295) and Kitchen (330) and you're closing in on an actual ton!
And there's a question as to why we'd need all six to finish a game?
What a load of beef!
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Combined weight of what?
Well, Rubin is listed at 330, Taylor comes in at 335 and Bryant is the lightest at 311. About 980 total pounds.
Adding in Hughes (320), Winn (295) and Kitchen (330) and you're closing in on an actual ton!
And there's a question as to why we'd need all six to finish a game?
What a load of beef!
Imagine footing the bill for the post-game meal for a job well done for this group? Whoever got stuck with the bill might have to seek a loan from the bank first.
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Combined weight of what?
Well, Rubin is listed at 330, Taylor comes in at 335 and Bryant is the lightest at 311. About 980 total pounds.
Adding in Hughes (320), Winn (295) and Kitchen (330) and you're closing in on an actual ton!
well we have put together one heck of a goalline front.. thats for sure.
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I'm liking this....we can reload for whatever situation Horton sees fit. Bryant, Rubin, Taylor, Winn and Hughes....that's a serious front.
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Something you dont think much about but wouldnt you like to be handed the money it cost to feed a team from two a days through the opener?
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OR Horton sees Taylor as a better NT than Rubin in his scheme.
And IMO neither of them are what Horton wants as a DE. Hence signing a player like Bryant.
Or he likes BIG defensive linemen.
No offense, I think that's a simpleton response. ALL defensive lineman are "big".
In the defenses Horton has been a part of, the DE (in the 3-4) have been between 280ish-300ish lbs, tall, long and have pass rushing ability.
Tell me where Rubin and Taylor meet ALL those criteria? Taylor, in the limited time he's been in the NFL, meets the pass rushing ability IMO but that about it.
The signing of Bryant 6'6'' 310 & Winn 6'4 295 fits the mold of the type of DE Horton traditionally wants in terms of body type and both have exhibited pass rushing ability. Go back and look at the ARZ defensive ends last year. Or even the DEs he had in PIT studying under LeBeau.
The larger question IMO, if Bryant and Winn are the DE, who wins the NT job between Taylor and Rubin...?
I think in this defense, if you assume Rubin and Taylor (both 330lbs guys) are going to be playing next to each other as a NT-DE combo in this attacking defense, your are only kidding yourself.
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How many DL does your typical 3-4 team carry? I've been looking for a few minutes and its a little hard to figure out right now. Right now we have 6 right, Winn, Hughes, Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, and Kitchen am I missing anyone?
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Last year the Cardinals (Horton's former team) carried Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett, Dan Williams, Nick Eason, David Carter, and Vonnie Holliday with a bunch of random dudes sprinkled in there. Many of those guys were interchangeable and played all along the line.
We have Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes, and Kitchen. That seems pretty good.
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Man, Cleveland fans have such a losing mentality.
We make two great signings and the majority of posts are about who we have to cut. So many of you are being negative because of the regime and scheme change. Let it go.
These are two excellent moves. I'm happy.
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Desmond is such a great signing for our defense and we really needed him. Consider the defensive line set for the next 3-4 years. We now have the perfect line to run Horton's attacking-multiple front defense.
Dont stay so hung up on the terminology of 3-4 or 4-3. Horton will be going back and forth between those two and even the 5-2 quite often.
You will see Rubin and Phil lined up at DT spot in a 4-3 line up several times a game. You will see them both lining up at DE in the 3-4 too. It just depends on where they want to create mismatches or force them to cause double teams. You might even see all three of our NT up at the same time. Why because when you can get 3 men to eat up the blocks of 5 men that means a 4th or even 5th man blitzing in is going to have a wide lane to go after teh QB. Look for Kruger and Sheard to eat those situations up.
-------Bryant --- Rubin--- Phil
Kruger -------DQ----???----------Sheard
??? = might be a draft pick, or someone we already have. Either way we are going to have some SERIOUS outside rushing pressure from BOTH sides with this line up.
I would not be surprised that on an obvious blitz that you might not see Sheard move to that ??? and have Winn take the outside. I feel bad for a LG and LT that has to block Phil, Sheard, and Winn at one time. Now switch DQ to the ???. and put Sheard there so that the RG and RT have to deal with Bryant, Kruger, and Sheard. I feel bad for them. Either way Rubin will have the center under control if he doesn't blow past him and get the sack himself.
These guys will ALL be moving around almost every snap. This is what Horton does. He attacks, attacks, and attacks. Formations and players will be moved around to where ever he wants to force pressure at. With the pick up of Bryant and Kruger our DC is going to have a blast and so will we watching the sacks pile up.
Be excited guy because wont lose anyone good and this line is going to be fun as hell to watch.
Now if we can just fix the secondary in the draft we will be very close to an elite defense.
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